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		<title>By: eimi</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/01/11/independent-7875-dac/#comment-179830</link>
		<dc:creator>eimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen to that. Keep at it, Bamberger - it&#039;s a very rewarding learning experience. Et, en passant, come on you Spurs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that. Keep at it, Bamberger &#8211; it&#8217;s a very rewarding learning experience. Et, en passant, come on you Spurs!</p>
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		<title>By: DorothyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DorothyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I&#039;ll put a word in for Wilkie Collins&#039;s The Moonstone, which I happened to be re-reading around the time some self-righteous, born-again &#039;Christian&#039; minister here in the US was planning to burn a pile of Korans, without any regard whatsoever for the backlash that was sure to follow. I came across this passage, spoken by one Drusilla Clack, a 19th-century version of the same type:

Once self-supported by conscience, once embarked on a career of manifest usefulness, the true Christian never yields. Neither public nor private influences produce the slightest effect on us, when we have once got our mission. Taxation may be the consequence of a mission; riots may be the consequence of a mission; wars may be the consequence of a mission: we go on with our work, irrespective of every human consideration which moves the world outside us. We are above reason; we are beyond ridicule; we see with nobody&#039;s eyes, we hear with nobody&#039;s ears, we feel with nobody&#039;s hearts, but our own. Glorious, glorious privilege! And how is it earned? Ah, my friends, you may spare yourselves the useless inquiry! We are the only people who can earn it--for we are the only people who are always right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ll put a word in for Wilkie Collins&#8217;s The Moonstone, which I happened to be re-reading around the time some self-righteous, born-again &#8216;Christian&#8217; minister here in the US was planning to burn a pile of Korans, without any regard whatsoever for the backlash that was sure to follow. I came across this passage, spoken by one Drusilla Clack, a 19th-century version of the same type:</p>
<p>Once self-supported by conscience, once embarked on a career of manifest usefulness, the true Christian never yields. Neither public nor private influences produce the slightest effect on us, when we have once got our mission. Taxation may be the consequence of a mission; riots may be the consequence of a mission; wars may be the consequence of a mission: we go on with our work, irrespective of every human consideration which moves the world outside us. We are above reason; we are beyond ridicule; we see with nobody&#8217;s eyes, we hear with nobody&#8217;s ears, we feel with nobody&#8217;s hearts, but our own. Glorious, glorious privilege! And how is it earned? Ah, my friends, you may spare yourselves the useless inquiry! We are the only people who can earn it&#8211;for we are the only people who are always right.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bring on the science&quot; says Bamberger.  Well, as RatkojaRiku notes in the blog, Courtelle is a synthetic fibre, developed through scientific research - and btw the name is a registered trademark. 

I liked the gently misleading surface to 5a, Acton being on the west side of London (even though there&#039;s a tube station called East Acton!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bring on the science&#8221; says Bamberger.  Well, as RatkojaRiku notes in the blog, Courtelle is a synthetic fibre, developed through scientific research &#8211; and btw the name is a registered trademark. </p>
<p>I liked the gently misleading surface to 5a, Acton being on the west side of London (even though there&#8217;s a tube station called East Acton!)</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Ransome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil Ransome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And to add to nms@10, if you ever want to see a good film then see Alfred Hitchcock&#039;s Psycho. One of the best ever.

Checking this out on Imdb, I see that Vera Miles also was in The Man who Shot Liberty Valance, another of the best ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to add to nms@10, if you ever want to see a good film then see Alfred Hitchcock&#8217;s Psycho. One of the best ever.</p>
<p>Checking this out on Imdb, I see that Vera Miles also was in The Man who Shot Liberty Valance, another of the best ever.</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, Bamberger, I guess we should not lose sight of the fact that each crossword clue (with the odd exception) gives the solver two ways of getting to the answer ie definition and wordplay.   If you get either you are there - after that it is perhaps checking and verification.    Also I would not be too influenced by those bright speed solvers - look into a dict to see if a word that might be the answer, you think, is in fact correct or is even a word.    

And BTW if you wanted to read a good book, Adam Bede is worth a look...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Bamberger, I guess we should not lose sight of the fact that each crossword clue (with the odd exception) gives the solver two ways of getting to the answer ie definition and wordplay.   If you get either you are there &#8211; after that it is perhaps checking and verification.    Also I would not be too influenced by those bright speed solvers &#8211; look into a dict to see if a word that might be the answer, you think, is in fact correct or is even a word.    </p>
<p>And BTW if you wanted to read a good book, Adam Bede is worth a look&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DorothyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DorothyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bamberger @7

I think it&#039;s good that you&#039;re making an effort to solve cryptic crosswords, but you seem to resent it when a puzzle expects you to know about anything you&#039;re not already familiar with. Maybe it&#039;s time you and your colleagues expanded your horizons just a bit. Plenty of interesting people lived more than 50 years ago and quite a few interesting things happened before you were born. If you&#039;re interested in science, would you dump Galileo or Newton for being pre-1960?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bamberger @7</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s good that you&#8217;re making an effort to solve cryptic crosswords, but you seem to resent it when a puzzle expects you to know about anything you&#8217;re not already familiar with. Maybe it&#8217;s time you and your colleagues expanded your horizons just a bit. Plenty of interesting people lived more than 50 years ago and quite a few interesting things happened before you were born. If you&#8217;re interested in science, would you dump Galileo or Newton for being pre-1960?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following the Bamberger/eimi discussion, I shall add the following before I have my tea and open a bottle of red.

I too had no idea that the VERA was the Miles from Psycho; but if you have a V for your starting letter then that&#039;s what the answer had to be and if you can be bothered to look it up then you&#039;ll be able to parse it fully.  Fifteensquared is a great site, but it makes you lazy in one way, because you know that the blogger will always explain it to you.

I too had never come across THE MOONSTONE; but again, it can&#039;t be much else.  ADAM BEDE might not be the best known novel ever (although it&#039;s not unknown), and if there&#039;s a (4,4) answer with &#039;book&#039; or &#039;novel&#039; as the answer, it&#039;s usually my first port of call.

I suppose the thing about cryptics is that it&#039;s best to have knowledge that&#039;s five miles wide and five foot deep.  But as eimi says, if you learn something ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following the Bamberger/eimi discussion, I shall add the following before I have my tea and open a bottle of red.</p>
<p>I too had no idea that the VERA was the Miles from Psycho; but if you have a V for your starting letter then that&#8217;s what the answer had to be and if you can be bothered to look it up then you&#8217;ll be able to parse it fully.  Fifteensquared is a great site, but it makes you lazy in one way, because you know that the blogger will always explain it to you.</p>
<p>I too had never come across THE MOONSTONE; but again, it can&#8217;t be much else.  ADAM BEDE might not be the best known novel ever (although it&#8217;s not unknown), and if there&#8217;s a (4,4) answer with &#8216;book&#8217; or &#8216;novel&#8217; as the answer, it&#8217;s usually my first port of call.</p>
<p>I suppose the thing about cryptics is that it&#8217;s best to have knowledge that&#8217;s five miles wide and five foot deep.  But as eimi says, if you learn something &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>eimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough, but isn&#039;t it good to learn new things? If you&#039;re ever doing a quiz and &quot;Which novel is generally considered the first detective novel in English&quot; comes up, you can thank Dac. I&#039;d never heard of courtelle, but I have now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but isn&#8217;t it good to learn new things? If you&#8217;re ever doing a quiz and &#8220;Which novel is generally considered the first detective novel in English&#8221; comes up, you can thank Dac. I&#8217;d never heard of courtelle, but I have now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bamberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bamberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No -not kidding at all.

On googling I see that Psycho is 1960 -over 50 years ago. I&#039;ve heard of the name but never watched it.Even if my colleagues have seen Psycho (and I &#039;m home now) clearly the name of an actress didn&#039;t stick. 

I think crosswordland assumes everyone is interested in and knows  lots about literature. I see that Flashling also hadn&#039;t heard of the Moonstone either.

Bring on the science!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No -not kidding at all.</p>
<p>On googling I see that Psycho is 1960 -over 50 years ago. I&#8217;ve heard of the name but never watched it.Even if my colleagues have seen Psycho (and I &#8216;m home now) clearly the name of an actress didn&#8217;t stick. </p>
<p>I think crosswordland assumes everyone is interested in and knows  lots about literature. I see that Flashling also hadn&#8217;t heard of the Moonstone either.</p>
<p>Bring on the science!</p>
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		<title>By: eimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>eimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[None of your colleagues has ever seen &lt;i&gt;Psycho&lt;/i&gt;, Bamberger? &lt;i&gt;The Moonstone&lt;/i&gt;? You are kidding, aren&#039;t you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of your colleagues has ever seen <i>Psycho</i>, Bamberger? <i>The Moonstone</i>? You are kidding, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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