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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Cryptic N° 25,555, by Boatman</title>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately we can&#039;t: Huw, if you want to find out about single-letter inds, just look up the relevant heading in either Collins or Chambers (the two dictionaries most frequently used) and scroll through. Bear in mind that some papers (The Times for one) accept only a limited selection of same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately we can&#8217;t: Huw, if you want to find out about single-letter inds, just look up the relevant heading in either Collins or Chambers (the two dictionaries most frequently used) and scroll through. Bear in mind that some papers (The Times for one) accept only a limited selection of same.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lovely little ramble through the frozen wastes of what is a very mild winter here in my corner of the continent (coastal NH).

One of the few occasional puzzles I manage to completely solve without aids or looking up odd words or places; I was about 6 or 7 clues in thinking &quot;those were easy, now what awaits?&quot;, but one by one they gently fell, with some lovely &quot;ahas&quot;, ie at 4, 20, 23, 17, etc.

To chime in on the controversy of the day...

Imagine letters circulating about the end of the pencil! (8)

If we take L as an abbreviation for &quot;letters&quot; (can we?), it all falls into place: (Imagine L)* = &quot;the end of the pencil&quot;.  Simple enough.  Though I was happy with the loose &amp;lit while solving, using the last L for the anagram rather than the first.

Lovely puzzle, Boatman, and thanks so much for dropping by; and thanks for the carefully presented blog, PeterO, and to everyone else for the lively and interesting commentary!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lovely little ramble through the frozen wastes of what is a very mild winter here in my corner of the continent (coastal NH).</p>
<p>One of the few occasional puzzles I manage to completely solve without aids or looking up odd words or places; I was about 6 or 7 clues in thinking &#8220;those were easy, now what awaits?&#8221;, but one by one they gently fell, with some lovely &#8220;ahas&#8221;, ie at 4, 20, 23, 17, etc.</p>
<p>To chime in on the controversy of the day&#8230;</p>
<p>Imagine letters circulating about the end of the pencil! (8)</p>
<p>If we take L as an abbreviation for &#8220;letters&#8221; (can we?), it all falls into place: (Imagine L)* = &#8220;the end of the pencil&#8221;.  Simple enough.  Though I was happy with the loose &amp;lit while solving, using the last L for the anagram rather than the first.</p>
<p>Lovely puzzle, Boatman, and thanks so much for dropping by; and thanks for the carefully presented blog, PeterO, and to everyone else for the lively and interesting commentary!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some reason, in the last few months, I had always other commitments when the compiler was Boatman, therefore not being able to do his puzzles on the day itself. This time, however, I was / we were lucky - hurrah! 

On his website Boatman quotes something that I said long ago about his puzzles - that he is the B in my crossword ABC and that &#039;this&#039; (ie his puzzles) is a reason why people like crosswords.
To be honest, I found Boatman&#039;s recent puzzles always enjoyable but also somewhat over-clever. And that B could easily be Brendan&#039;s too.
But this was a charmer of a puzzle.

Boatman is very keen on themed puzzles, but this &#039;theme&#039; didn&#039;t feel like a &#039;theme&#039; for us. It was more like a &#039;wintry flavour&#039;, a bonus that made this crossword a real entity.

I have read this L&amp;S discussion, but I always thought that L&amp;S meant &quot;splitting up things (esp. phrases or separate words) in a clue that are closely linked through the surface&quot; [which seems to be underlined by Boatman in his post @27]. Cutting up words [like in de/liberated or snow/man] is for me something different. A couple of years ago, I did not really like it, but nowadays it is so common that it has become a &#039;new&#039; device. If one wants to make it part of L&amp;S, fine by me, I can&#039;t be bothered.
In fact, when I saw 17ac (&quot;Constancy of saint, unaltered&quot;), I immediately thought of &quot;saint,un/altered&quot;, knowing that Boatman loves this trick. Of course, here it doesn&#039;t work.
Therefore, no problem with de/liberated. However, I agree with Hobnob @15 in what (s)he says about snow/man. It is not common to have one of these parts (here: man) being used as the definition. In the recent Philistine blog, I said a similar thing.
That said, if we&#039;re splitting up anyway, why not include the definition?

I can imagine that some people will also have a slight problem with the &quot;apostrophe s&quot; in 5d. When I did this myself a few years ago in the Cryptica competition with &quot;Winter sport&#039;s flight announcement (12)&quot;, Paul wasn&#039;t fully happy with it.
Times have changed, that&#039;s for sure [but perhaps more in the world of The Guardian than eg in that of The Times].
And, let&#039;s face it, Boatman ignores any kind of punctuation, a good example of that being 6d (HEATER).

This was a very satisfying crossword.
Very accessible - and once you&#039;re in, eminently solvable.
Perhaps, some don&#039;t like &quot;first frost&quot; for F (as opposed to &quot;first of frost&quot; (which, of course, doesn&#039;t make sense within the surface)0.
Or ask themselves why a STREAKER is defined by &quot;she runs&quot; (female?).
Or have doubts about EMAILING - at first, I raised my eyebrows, then started appreciating the imagination of the clue. I am not interested in whether it is called an &amp;Lit or not, as long as the clue works it&#039;s ok for me [and it did].
And, finally, the funny thing in the ESCORT clue is that &quot;Company&quot; could have been the definition too. I know, it&#039;s not, but it made me feel that there might have been &amp;Lit chances.

Verdict of my PinC?
Thumbs up for Boatman!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, in the last few months, I had always other commitments when the compiler was Boatman, therefore not being able to do his puzzles on the day itself. This time, however, I was / we were lucky &#8211; hurrah! </p>
<p>On his website Boatman quotes something that I said long ago about his puzzles &#8211; that he is the B in my crossword ABC and that &#8216;this&#8217; (ie his puzzles) is a reason why people like crosswords.<br />
To be honest, I found Boatman&#8217;s recent puzzles always enjoyable but also somewhat over-clever. And that B could easily be Brendan&#8217;s too.<br />
But this was a charmer of a puzzle.</p>
<p>Boatman is very keen on themed puzzles, but this &#8216;theme&#8217; didn&#8217;t feel like a &#8216;theme&#8217; for us. It was more like a &#8216;wintry flavour&#8217;, a bonus that made this crossword a real entity.</p>
<p>I have read this L&amp;S discussion, but I always thought that L&amp;S meant &#8220;splitting up things (esp. phrases or separate words) in a clue that are closely linked through the surface&#8221; [which seems to be underlined by Boatman in his post @27]. Cutting up words [like in de/liberated or snow/man] is for me something different. A couple of years ago, I did not really like it, but nowadays it is so common that it has become a &#8216;new&#8217; device. If one wants to make it part of L&amp;S, fine by me, I can&#8217;t be bothered.<br />
In fact, when I saw 17ac (&#8220;Constancy of saint, unaltered&#8221;), I immediately thought of &#8220;saint,un/altered&#8221;, knowing that Boatman loves this trick. Of course, here it doesn&#8217;t work.<br />
Therefore, no problem with de/liberated. However, I agree with Hobnob @15 in what (s)he says about snow/man. It is not common to have one of these parts (here: man) being used as the definition. In the recent Philistine blog, I said a similar thing.<br />
That said, if we&#8217;re splitting up anyway, why not include the definition?</p>
<p>I can imagine that some people will also have a slight problem with the &#8220;apostrophe s&#8221; in 5d. When I did this myself a few years ago in the Cryptica competition with &#8220;Winter sport&#8217;s flight announcement (12)&#8221;, Paul wasn&#8217;t fully happy with it.<br />
Times have changed, that&#8217;s for sure [but perhaps more in the world of The Guardian than eg in that of The Times].<br />
And, let&#8217;s face it, Boatman ignores any kind of punctuation, a good example of that being 6d (HEATER).</p>
<p>This was a very satisfying crossword.<br />
Very accessible &#8211; and once you&#8217;re in, eminently solvable.<br />
Perhaps, some don&#8217;t like &#8220;first frost&#8221; for F (as opposed to &#8220;first of frost&#8221; (which, of course, doesn&#8217;t make sense within the surface)0.<br />
Or ask themselves why a STREAKER is defined by &#8220;she runs&#8221; (female?).<br />
Or have doubts about EMAILING &#8211; at first, I raised my eyebrows, then started appreciating the imagination of the clue. I am not interested in whether it is called an &amp;Lit or not, as long as the clue works it&#8217;s ok for me [and it did].<br />
And, finally, the funny thing in the ESCORT clue is that &#8220;Company&#8221; could have been the definition too. I know, it&#8217;s not, but it made me feel that there might have been &amp;Lit chances.</p>
<p>Verdict of my PinC?<br />
Thumbs up for Boatman!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, PeterO @ 44. I had checked several online dictionaries before posting, and couldn&#039;t find mention of hilltop. I didn&#039;t have Chambers or OED to hand.

The Chamber&#039;s and Macmillan definitions do not really mention hilltop as such, and the crest part suggests the usual understanding of ridge.


I won&#039;t open up a discussion on Munros, tops and Marylins etc!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, PeterO @ 44. I had checked several online dictionaries before posting, and couldn&#8217;t find mention of hilltop. I didn&#8217;t have Chambers or OED to hand.</p>
<p>The Chamber&#8217;s and Macmillan definitions do not really mention hilltop as such, and the crest part suggests the usual understanding of ridge.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t open up a discussion on Munros, tops and Marylins etc!</p>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Mitz, @13: 

The story about the Russians simply using a pencil has considerable staying power but, if you imaging a broken-off tip of (electrically conductive) graphite floating round mission-critical electronics in zero gravity, it is clear that no-one would permit a pencil on a spacecraft.

This is my first post on 15², although I&#039;ve been lurking for some time.  It would be inexcusable to sign off without offering huge thanks to all: setters, bloggers and commentators alike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Mitz, @13: </p>
<p>The story about the Russians simply using a pencil has considerable staying power but, if you imaging a broken-off tip of (electrically conductive) graphite floating round mission-critical electronics in zero gravity, it is clear that no-one would permit a pencil on a spacecraft.</p>
<p>This is my first post on 15², although I&#8217;ve been lurking for some time.  It would be inexcusable to sign off without offering huge thanks to all: setters, bloggers and commentators alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #40 see recent debate at CC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #40 see recent debate at CC.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterO</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave Ellison @42

Among the definitions of ridge:

A long narrow top or crest (Chambers)

The long narrow top of a mountain or group of mountains (Macmillan)

A long, narrow hilltop, mountain range, or watershed (Oxford)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Ellison @42</p>
<p>Among the definitions of ridge:</p>
<p>A long narrow top or crest (Chambers)</p>
<p>The long narrow top of a mountain or group of mountains (Macmillan)</p>
<p>A long, narrow hilltop, mountain range, or watershed (Oxford)</p>
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		<title>By: Ape</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great puzzle, liked the style.

Thought EMAILING was excellent in retrospect, but slightly unsatisfactory at the time of solving as with all the half-definitions wasn&#039;t quite convinced it was the right answer, though it sort of had to be.

I preferred as clue of the day:

OBEDIENT - As a good dog with bone, it deliberated 

because it reads very nicely and both the synonym and the word play make it obvious once you&#039;ve got it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great puzzle, liked the style.</p>
<p>Thought EMAILING was excellent in retrospect, but slightly unsatisfactory at the time of solving as with all the half-definitions wasn&#8217;t quite convinced it was the right answer, though it sort of had to be.</p>
<p>I preferred as clue of the day:</p>
<p>OBEDIENT &#8211; As a good dog with bone, it deliberated </p>
<p>because it reads very nicely and both the synonym and the word play make it obvious once you&#8217;ve got it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mostly an OK Xword, but nothing to be excited about, in my view.

Robi @ 39, I haven&#039;t counted them up, but my vote goes with PaulB @ 31, for once (on 16d) - didn&#039;t like it at all.

No one else seems to have objected to 12a; a RIDGE is not a hilltop in my experience (though it would lead to one).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly an OK Xword, but nothing to be excited about, in my view.</p>
<p>Robi @ 39, I haven&#8217;t counted them up, but my vote goes with PaulB @ 31, for once (on 16d) &#8211; didn&#8217;t like it at all.</p>
<p>No one else seems to have objected to 12a; a RIDGE is not a hilltop in my experience (though it would lead to one).</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JS
Possibly not; probably so; maybe; if it makes folk happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS<br />
Possibly not; probably so; maybe; if it makes folk happy.</p>
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