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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Quiptic N° 641, by Pan</title>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it does look easier in retrospect, but it is the solving experience that defines whether it was a good Quiptic or not. I&#039;ve delved into the Quiptic archives and many of them I can do in 20 minutes. Those are good Quiptics. Yes I&#039;m a very slow solver, but even so, this took nearer 2 hours. QED.

And it wasn&#039;t the obvious queries mentioned above that slowed me down. SEESAW was an easy guess and having guessed, something in my mind said &quot;it&#039;s a bit obsolete, but I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve heard SEE=mark somewhere or other&quot;. Just don&#039;t ask me where. And the brain did one of it&#039;s usual optical illusions with ANGINA. Because NAN is all Ns and As, and the letters which aren&#039;t GIN were also thus, hence the brain was happy with that because it neglected to count them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it does look easier in retrospect, but it is the solving experience that defines whether it was a good Quiptic or not. I&#8217;ve delved into the Quiptic archives and many of them I can do in 20 minutes. Those are good Quiptics. Yes I&#8217;m a very slow solver, but even so, this took nearer 2 hours. QED.</p>
<p>And it wasn&#8217;t the obvious queries mentioned above that slowed me down. SEESAW was an easy guess and having guessed, something in my mind said &#8220;it&#8217;s a bit obsolete, but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve heard SEE=mark somewhere or other&#8221;. Just don&#8217;t ask me where. And the brain did one of it&#8217;s usual optical illusions with ANGINA. Because NAN is all Ns and As, and the letters which aren&#8217;t GIN were also thus, hence the brain was happy with that because it neglected to count them!</p>
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		<title>By: andy smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PeterO @4 - thanks - it was a passing comment, and there are so many interpretations of &#039;SEE&#039; that I was sure that the setter was on firm ground, just couldn&#039;t find one at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PeterO @4 &#8211; thanks &#8211; it was a passing comment, and there are so many interpretations of &#8216;SEE&#8217; that I was sure that the setter was on firm ground, just couldn&#8217;t find one at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterO</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[andy @2

SEE is not the first word that springs to my mind for &#039;mark&#039;, but Chambers does include &quot;to regard&quot;, or, intransitively, &quot;to take particular notice&quot;. Commonly, this notice is not necessarily visual (&quot;Mark my words&quot;), but some dictionaries, the OED for example, suggest a more visual interpretation as archaic or poetic.

Robi @3

I might have better expressed the wordplay of 13D; as a phrase, LACE RATION is quite OK for &quot;ration of lace&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andy @2</p>
<p>SEE is not the first word that springs to my mind for &#8216;mark&#8217;, but Chambers does include &#8220;to regard&#8221;, or, intransitively, &#8220;to take particular notice&#8221;. Commonly, this notice is not necessarily visual (&#8220;Mark my words&#8221;), but some dictionaries, the OED for example, suggest a more visual interpretation as archaic or poetic.</p>
<p>Robi @3</p>
<p>I might have better expressed the wordplay of 13D; as a phrase, LACE RATION is quite OK for &#8220;ration of lace&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this was OK as a Quiptic.

Thanks, PeterO; I guess you might want to include COLE as a potential wearer of knickers in 23. I agree that 10 must be a mistake. Not sure about 13; it seems to be back-to-front. Is the &#039;of&#039; meant to denote second?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was OK as a Quiptic.</p>
<p>Thanks, PeterO; I guess you might want to include COLE as a potential wearer of knickers in 23. I agree that 10 must be a mistake. Not sure about 13; it seems to be back-to-front. Is the &#8216;of&#8217; meant to denote second?</p>
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		<title>By: andy smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. 

Glad to see that I am in good company for a change re ANGINA. 

Not familiar with SEE as a synonym/meaning of MARK in 24a - can&#039;t see it in Chamber&#039;s at a first glance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. </p>
<p>Glad to see that I am in good company for a change re ANGINA. </p>
<p>Not familiar with SEE as a synonym/meaning of MARK in 24a &#8211; can&#8217;t see it in Chamber&#8217;s at a first glance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Peter.

This all fell out nicely, with LACERATION my favourite clue, followed by ASTONISHED for its clever surface.

I can&#039;t make ANGINA work either, so my hypothesis is another Grauniad foul-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Peter.</p>
<p>This all fell out nicely, with LACERATION my favourite clue, followed by ASTONISHED for its clever surface.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t make ANGINA work either, so my hypothesis is another Grauniad foul-up.</p>
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