Comments on: Independent 7953 / Dac

By: Bertandjoyce

Bertandjoyce — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:58:42 +0000

Thanks for all of the comments. We’ve been out all day walking part of the Robin Hood Way so have only just checked in again.

Thanks for the comments about It for Italy – we knew there must be something out there and were pretty sure that we had come across it before but couldn’t find it in Chambers.

We can’t remember where we read it but we have seen comments about the ‘devious’ use of the parts of speech being ‘unfair’. We wholeheartedly disagree and believe that it is one of the delights of cryptic puzzles.

By: Kathryn's Dad

Kathryn's Dad — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:48:14 +0000

With SADIE, MARCIA and ISADORA all making an appearance, I was looking for a girl band theme, but apparently not. Good puzzle, though – I’m not sure Dac does ‘spectacular’, but he’ll always give you a sound crossword with some lovely surfaces, as was the case today. I thought DUMBARTON and OPTICIAN were specially good.

Indeed, Bannsider, the capacity of the English language to have words that can be nouns or verbs is one of its delights (and frustrations to learners of English); and an important element of the setter’s armoury, too. Love can tear you apart and leave a tear in your eye …

Thanks to Dac and to B&J for the blog.

By: Bannsider

Bannsider — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:19:35 +0000

Having, to my shame, missed Anax’s puzzle yesterday, I made a point of doing this one. I made life difficult for myself by confidently but wrongly ptting EASTER in for 1ac and compounded this, furthermore, by sticking in SATEEN for SATINY! Which made 3 down in particular rather puzzling!
Maybe with my setter’s hat on, but I…O.A I think only has one reasonable possibility, so ISADORA went in very readily. I liked the “Clever Dick” idea for DUMBARTON!
I think water could be divined in an underground river, so no problem that I can see with 11dn.

I’m interested in the comment that people might not like the clever use of nouns and adjectives etc. Surely that’s the lifeblood of the crossworder, either through employment or enjoyment?

By: NealH

NealH — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:14:20 +0000

Isadora Duncan aside, 6 down is a fairly uncommon name, so I can imagine some people struggled with that. I thought the &lit in 11 down was a bit strained – water diviners look for hidden sources of water, which tend to be underground springs rather than rivers – but I’m probably being a bit picky. Other than that, it was very much up to Dac’s normal standard.

By: nmsindy

nmsindy — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:21:38 +0000

Thanks, B&J for the blog esp for explaining the Barton part of DUMBARTON and Dac for another fine puzzle. Collins gives It = Italy as well as It = Italian so I think that’s all OK. I agree with PB’s point re KENNELMAID in what I thought was an excellent clue. Also esp liked OPTICIAN and OUTSMART. ORATIONS too was cleverly hidden – it took me ages to spot it anyway.

By: Pelham Barton

Pelham Barton — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:59:14 +0000

Thanks Dac for an enjoyable puzzle and BandJ for the blog.

5dn: IT is the internet domain code for Italy

13dn: Chambers 2011 gives kennelmaid a female attendant who looks after dogs, so she only needs one doghouse to work in.

12ac: My turn to be picky. This is C (a hundred) contained in (AT SCHOOL I ONCE)* – “chewed” is the anagram indicator and “about” the inclusion indicator.

19ac: Dick Barton was revived at about the time I started as a school teacher. I would often hear the tune coming from inside classrooms as I walked past during lunch breaks.