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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Cryptic N° 25,613 by Paul</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/04/18/guardian-cryptic-n-25613-by-paul/#comment-190303</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[huw @ 42 could this be it:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070107023252AAQ6eQQ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huw @ 42 could this be it:</p>
<p><a href="http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070107023252AAQ6eQQ" rel="nofollow">http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070107023252AAQ6eQQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/04/18/guardian-cryptic-n-25613-by-paul/#comment-190277</link>
		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mostly came by to see how the horrible biological errors played out in the comments... I was really hoping to find that CLAMMY and MUSCLY were wrong, but sadly no.

To make a better comparison than the Macbeth/Dickens one above, this would be exactly like calling Macbeth a novel in a clue.

Having to think while writing in an answer &quot;well I guess the setter and editor have no idea what this word means&quot; is a bit frustrating in a WORD puzzle.

Otherwise, I agree this was a moderately easy puzzle, although I usually do pretty well with Paul&#039;s offerings.  Loved CENTIGRAM, and AFRAID NOT reminded me of an old joke I don&#039;t remember, but it involves something about a piece of string walking into a bar.

Thanks as always for the blog, Peter, and of course for the generally enjoyable puzzle, Paul!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly came by to see how the horrible biological errors played out in the comments&#8230; I was really hoping to find that CLAMMY and MUSCLY were wrong, but sadly no.</p>
<p>To make a better comparison than the Macbeth/Dickens one above, this would be exactly like calling Macbeth a novel in a clue.</p>
<p>Having to think while writing in an answer &#8220;well I guess the setter and editor have no idea what this word means&#8221; is a bit frustrating in a WORD puzzle.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I agree this was a moderately easy puzzle, although I usually do pretty well with Paul&#8217;s offerings.  Loved CENTIGRAM, and AFRAID NOT reminded me of an old joke I don&#8217;t remember, but it involves something about a piece of string walking into a bar.</p>
<p>Thanks as always for the blog, Peter, and of course for the generally enjoyable puzzle, Paul!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/04/18/guardian-cryptic-n-25613-by-paul/#comment-190267</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a prawn that Paul is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a prawn that Paul is!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Phylum&#039;, not &#039;phyla&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Phylum&#8217;, not &#8216;phyla&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t get me wrong, I enjoyed the puzzle and Paul&#039;s still my favourite setter.

But just because many people wouldn&#039;t have spotted the error doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s any less of an error. Biololgically speaking, it would have been less of an error to have clued, say, &#039;tigrish&#039; as &#039;like a fish&#039; as tigers and fish are at least in the same phyla as each other and thus more closely related than clams are to crustaceans.

As Wolfie says, it&#039;s proper Two Cultures syndrome, this one. An error of this magnitude relating to an arty subject would have been absolutely howled down, but when it&#039;s a science error, those who have been irritated by it are pedants or bores.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I enjoyed the puzzle and Paul&#8217;s still my favourite setter.</p>
<p>But just because many people wouldn&#8217;t have spotted the error doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s any less of an error. Biololgically speaking, it would have been less of an error to have clued, say, &#8216;tigrish&#8217; as &#8216;like a fish&#8217; as tigers and fish are at least in the same phyla as each other and thus more closely related than clams are to crustaceans.</p>
<p>As Wolfie says, it&#8217;s proper Two Cultures syndrome, this one. An error of this magnitude relating to an arty subject would have been absolutely howled down, but when it&#8217;s a science error, those who have been irritated by it are pedants or bores.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (not that one)</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/04/18/guardian-cryptic-n-25613-by-paul/#comment-190183</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan (not that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, somehow I managed to enjoy this puzzle.

I didn&#039;t notice how easy it was (although I was expecting Paul to tax me more)

I wasn&#039;t appalled by the terrible confusion of mollusc and crustacean. (actually didn&#039;t notice!)

I didn&#039;t count the clues or lights.

Am I a bad person?

Several laugh out loud moments though.

Thanks Paul and PeterO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, somehow I managed to enjoy this puzzle.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t notice how easy it was (although I was expecting Paul to tax me more)</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t appalled by the terrible confusion of mollusc and crustacean. (actually didn&#8217;t notice!)</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t count the clues or lights.</p>
<p>Am I a bad person?</p>
<p>Several laugh out loud moments though.</p>
<p>Thanks Paul and PeterO</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris @ 34 - I totally agree with you, and was bemused to read some of the comments here that seem to suggest that the crustacean confusion was a minor fault. It actually held me up for ages, since though &#039;clammy&#039; and &#039;muscly&#039; had occurred to me I &#039;knew&#039; (as a retired biologist) that they must be wrong. It was only after much fruitless brain-bashing that I conceded defeat and resorted to the check button on the website. 

I am surprised that a setter of Paul&#039;s status should have used a scientific term without ensuring that he knew what it meant and equally surprised that the crossword editor did not intervene to spare the setter&#039;s blushes. If an equivalent error had been made in, say, the authorship of a novel it would have been greeted with howls of protest and derision. But, as I have commented before on this site, the &#039;Two Cultures&#039; still prevail in the intellectual life of this country.

Apart from this, I enjoyed the crossword! Thanks Peter O for the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris @ 34 &#8211; I totally agree with you, and was bemused to read some of the comments here that seem to suggest that the crustacean confusion was a minor fault. It actually held me up for ages, since though &#8216;clammy&#8217; and &#8216;muscly&#8217; had occurred to me I &#8216;knew&#8217; (as a retired biologist) that they must be wrong. It was only after much fruitless brain-bashing that I conceded defeat and resorted to the check button on the website. </p>
<p>I am surprised that a setter of Paul&#8217;s status should have used a scientific term without ensuring that he knew what it meant and equally surprised that the crossword editor did not intervene to spare the setter&#8217;s blushes. If an equivalent error had been made in, say, the authorship of a novel it would have been greeted with howls of protest and derision. But, as I have commented before on this site, the &#8216;Two Cultures&#8217; still prevail in the intellectual life of this country.</p>
<p>Apart from this, I enjoyed the crossword! Thanks Peter O for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: NealH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NealH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Electric chair, even - I always manage to mistype something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electric chair, even &#8211; I always manage to mistype something.</p>
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		<title>By: NealH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NealH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I slightly object to 1 across on the grounds that there are plenty of methods of execution that don&#039;t involve chopping heads off (electric char, firing squad, lethal objection, hanging...).   I suppose the clue does have a question mark, which covers all sins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I slightly object to 1 across on the grounds that there are plenty of methods of execution that don&#8217;t involve chopping heads off (electric char, firing squad, lethal objection, hanging&#8230;).   I suppose the clue does have a question mark, which covers all sins.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must agree with the chrous decrying the mollusc/crustacean error - it&#039;s really quite an egregious category mistake. Like clueing &#039;Macbeth&#039; as a Dickens novel, except that would never happen.

I initially tried to make a &#039;prawny/brawny&#039; homophone work for 15ac before getting &#039;clammy&#039; and realising that &#039;crustacean&#039; must actually be referring to a totally different type of animal!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with the chrous decrying the mollusc/crustacean error &#8211; it&#8217;s really quite an egregious category mistake. Like clueing &#8216;Macbeth&#8217; as a Dickens novel, except that would never happen.</p>
<p>I initially tried to make a &#8216;prawny/brawny&#8217; homophone work for 15ac before getting &#8216;clammy&#8217; and realising that &#8216;crustacean&#8217; must actually be referring to a totally different type of animal!</p>
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