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		<title>By: brucew_aus</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/06/07/guardian-25656-gordius/#comment-197175</link>
		<dc:creator>brucew_aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Gordius abd manihi

Also a late entry after sitting on an unfilled 5d for quit a few days - eventually opted for HUNTERS like a few others and was wrong - haven&#039;t heard of the Conservative HUNKERS before - so admit defeat!

Like scchua I had opted for ACKEYS as well - ACKERS in Aust refers to a teenager&#039;s pimples !!  Couldn&#039;t find a direct reference for ACKERS when solving, but now see that it is Nth English slang for banknotes.

So in this one concede - Gordius 2 / Bruce 0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gordius abd manihi</p>
<p>Also a late entry after sitting on an unfilled 5d for quit a few days &#8211; eventually opted for HUNTERS like a few others and was wrong &#8211; haven&#8217;t heard of the Conservative HUNKERS before &#8211; so admit defeat!</p>
<p>Like scchua I had opted for ACKEYS as well &#8211; ACKERS in Aust refers to a teenager&#8217;s pimples !!  Couldn&#8217;t find a direct reference for ACKERS when solving, but now see that it is Nth English slang for banknotes.</p>
<p>So in this one concede &#8211; Gordius 2 / Bruce 0</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually had Hangers for 5d, as in &quot;Hangers and Floggers&quot;, which describes many Tories.  I wasn&#039;t convinced that to hang meant to sit, but so what!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had Hangers for 5d, as in &#8220;Hangers and Floggers&#8221;, which describes many Tories.  I wasn&#8217;t convinced that to hang meant to sit, but so what!</p>
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		<title>By: gronwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gronwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very belated - I catch only the weekly edition. But surprised that no-one caught the Pilgrim&#039;s Progress quotation: &quot;thus thou mayest distinguish the right from the wrong, the right only being strait and narrow.&quot; So 9a is in fact accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very belated &#8211; I catch only the weekly edition. But surprised that no-one caught the Pilgrim&#8217;s Progress quotation: &#8220;thus thou mayest distinguish the right from the wrong, the right only being strait and narrow.&#8221; So 9a is in fact accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, first let me say that at least the Wikipedia disambiguation page for &quot;Oleander&quot; picked up some improvements, and the article on the plant gained a handful of correct italicisations.  I have long said that one could match up most of my editing there with Grauniad puzzles given a day to three lag.

I don&#039;t buy &quot;strait and narrow&quot;.  Chambers (2011 p. 1537) won&#039;t quite get one there - strait can become straight, but not the other way around.  As solved, it simply isn&#039;t a real phrase that matches the definition.  I could see it being used where &quot;synonyms&quot; was elsewhere in the puzzle, built on a homonym type clue for &quot;in the right way&quot;.

Too bad there isn&#039;t a malady spelled P?R?O?A, for symmetry&#039;s sake!

Plenty of fun though, thanks manehi &amp; alia for the blog and Gordius for the unraveling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first let me say that at least the Wikipedia disambiguation page for &#8220;Oleander&#8221; picked up some improvements, and the article on the plant gained a handful of correct italicisations.  I have long said that one could match up most of my editing there with Grauniad puzzles given a day to three lag.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy &#8220;strait and narrow&#8221;.  Chambers (2011 p. 1537) won&#8217;t quite get one there &#8211; strait can become straight, but not the other way around.  As solved, it simply isn&#8217;t a real phrase that matches the definition.  I could see it being used where &#8220;synonyms&#8221; was elsewhere in the puzzle, built on a homonym type clue for &#8220;in the right way&#8221;.</p>
<p>Too bad there isn&#8217;t a malady spelled P?R?O?A, for symmetry&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>Plenty of fun though, thanks manehi &amp; alia for the blog and Gordius for the unraveling.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[None intended i assure you all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None intended i assure you all.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Self @34:
I hope you haven&#039;t overstepped the mark and caused offence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self @34:<br />
I hope you haven&#8217;t overstepped the mark and caused offence.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aztobesed @19: Chambers does not seem to me to suggest any reading, rather it states, in effect, that &#039;straight is an old or non-standard spelling of &#039;strait&#039;. More important, it does not say that &#039;strait&#039; is any kind of spelling of &#039;straight&#039;.

Robi @13, RCW @16 and Grandpuzzler @20:
&#039;strait&#039;, therefore, is a misspelling of &#039;straight&#039;, clearly not one that any of you would make. In fact, I suspect that very few people would. Much more likely would be misspellings (the other way) of such as &#039;straitjacket&#039;, &#039;strait-laced&#039;, &#039;strait of Gibraltar&#039;, &#039;straitened circumstances&#039; and &#039;dire straits&#039; - less so in this case thanks to Dire Straits.

(Giovanna @18: Your Chambers is by definition old and almost certainly non-standard. 
 Sorry,I don&#039;t know how to do smileys.)

However, in the context of &#039;straight and narrow&#039;, &#039;strait&#039; is not merely a misspelling but, more seriously a misunderstanding of the meaning of the word.
Gervase @23 does a good job of explaining.

He manages despite being hampered by the suggestion in the link by Robi @14 that the origin of the phrase is &quot;perhaps an alteration of ... an allusion to&quot; something.
This is so tenuous as to be insupportable whatever the something. In this case it is also regrettable that the reference is to Matthew 7:14, a good example of why some regard the King James Bible as the finest single work in the English language. Again Gervase elucidates the quotation very well.

&#039;strait and narrow&#039; he describes as tautologous - more precisely it is pleonastic. (Wey hey!) This brings us nicely to tupu @25 and RCW @28 and redundancy. (&#039;pleonasm&#039; means redundancy, esp of words.) Their observations, while interesting and valid, cannot justify the appearance of &#039;strait and narrow&#039; in a crossword. It is simply not valid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aztobesed @19: Chambers does not seem to me to suggest any reading, rather it states, in effect, that &#8216;straight is an old or non-standard spelling of &#8216;strait&#8217;. More important, it does not say that &#8216;strait&#8217; is any kind of spelling of &#8216;straight&#8217;.</p>
<p>Robi @13, RCW @16 and Grandpuzzler @20:<br />
&#8216;strait&#8217;, therefore, is a misspelling of &#8216;straight&#8217;, clearly not one that any of you would make. In fact, I suspect that very few people would. Much more likely would be misspellings (the other way) of such as &#8216;straitjacket&#8217;, &#8216;strait-laced&#8217;, &#8216;strait of Gibraltar&#8217;, &#8216;straitened circumstances&#8217; and &#8216;dire straits&#8217; &#8211; less so in this case thanks to Dire Straits.</p>
<p>(Giovanna @18: Your Chambers is by definition old and almost certainly non-standard.<br />
 Sorry,I don&#8217;t know how to do smileys.)</p>
<p>However, in the context of &#8216;straight and narrow&#8217;, &#8216;strait&#8217; is not merely a misspelling but, more seriously a misunderstanding of the meaning of the word.<br />
Gervase @23 does a good job of explaining.</p>
<p>He manages despite being hampered by the suggestion in the link by Robi @14 that the origin of the phrase is &#8220;perhaps an alteration of &#8230; an allusion to&#8221; something.<br />
This is so tenuous as to be insupportable whatever the something. In this case it is also regrettable that the reference is to Matthew 7:14, a good example of why some regard the King James Bible as the finest single work in the English language. Again Gervase elucidates the quotation very well.</p>
<p>&#8216;strait and narrow&#8217; he describes as tautologous &#8211; more precisely it is pleonastic. (Wey hey!) This brings us nicely to tupu @25 and RCW @28 and redundancy. (&#8216;pleonasm&#8217; means redundancy, esp of words.) Their observations, while interesting and valid, cannot justify the appearance of &#8216;strait and narrow&#8217; in a crossword. It is simply not valid.</p>
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		<title>By: KeithW</title>
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		<dc:creator>KeithW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the late contribution but I seem to be alone in offering HINDERS for 5d.  I haven&#039;t looked it up (I&#039;m currently hundreds of miles from my reference books) but I seem to remember the word as a diminutive of hindquarters (something one might sit on) and hinders, in the sense of delays or makes difficult, seems to describe the tactics of some conservatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the late contribution but I seem to be alone in offering HINDERS for 5d.  I haven&#8217;t looked it up (I&#8217;m currently hundreds of miles from my reference books) but I seem to remember the word as a diminutive of hindquarters (something one might sit on) and hinders, in the sense of delays or makes difficult, seems to describe the tactics of some conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Speckled Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speckled Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone else go for &#039;benches&#039; for 5d? Pencilling that in really caused me problems with 4 and 11!

19 is a triple definition, isn&#039;t it?

And one gripe: why the word &#039;time&#039; in 10? Totally unnecessary and misleading! Yes, the surface wouldn&#039;t work without it, but then the clue should be rewritten. Gripe over!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else go for &#8216;benches&#8217; for 5d? Pencilling that in really caused me problems with 4 and 11!</p>
<p>19 is a triple definition, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>And one gripe: why the word &#8216;time&#8217; in 10? Totally unnecessary and misleading! Yes, the surface wouldn&#8217;t work without it, but then the clue should be rewritten. Gripe over!</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got &#039;hunters&#039; for 5d too.
Was struck by the number of times &#039;One&#039; was used in the clues. A cryptic concession to the Jubilee maybe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got &#8216;hunters&#8217; for 5d too.<br />
Was struck by the number of times &#8216;One&#8217; was used in the clues. A cryptic concession to the Jubilee maybe?</p>
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