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		<title>By: Bertandjoyce</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/06/08/independent-8003-phi/#comment-195583</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Duncan for the blog and Phi for another enjoyable Phiday puzzle.
We&#039;re trying to find a theme, but no sign. Phi has been very crafty with hidden themes over the past few weeks - if there is one, it&#039;s even more elusive than ever!
We needed your help with parsing 24d, but all-in-all a very fair clue.
We hope you are enjoying Sweden - you&#039;re not missing any sun here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Duncan for the blog and Phi for another enjoyable Phiday puzzle.<br />
We&#8217;re trying to find a theme, but no sign. Phi has been very crafty with hidden themes over the past few weeks &#8211; if there is one, it&#8217;s even more elusive than ever!<br />
We needed your help with parsing 24d, but all-in-all a very fair clue.<br />
We hope you are enjoying Sweden &#8211; you&#8217;re not missing any sun here!</p>
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		<title>By: Lancastrian Bluenose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lancastrian Bluenose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enjoyable puzzle: nice to solve an Indy puzzle in the week !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyable puzzle: nice to solve an Indy puzzle in the week !</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got a bit stuck on the bottom right corner until I got 19ac, which made me smile.  Even then, I couldn&#039;t get 22ac - knew it was something &quot;judge&quot; but not a rugby fan and I needed some help.

I knew the word &quot;lysis&quot; but only in the first meaning in Chambers, breaking down of a cell, and had to look it up to find its other meanings.

I agree with PB @ 6 that &quot;alto&quot; is more usually used for a female voice these days, and the term &quot;male alto&quot; is used to specify otherwise.  The make-up of a choir is usually described on a music score as SATB for sopranos, altos, tenors and basses, with the first two usually the female part of the choir.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a bit stuck on the bottom right corner until I got 19ac, which made me smile.  Even then, I couldn&#8217;t get 22ac &#8211; knew it was something &#8220;judge&#8221; but not a rugby fan and I needed some help.</p>
<p>I knew the word &#8220;lysis&#8221; but only in the first meaning in Chambers, breaking down of a cell, and had to look it up to find its other meanings.</p>
<p>I agree with PB @ 6 that &#8220;alto&#8221; is more usually used for a female voice these days, and the term &#8220;male alto&#8221; is used to specify otherwise.  The make-up of a choir is usually described on a music score as SATB for sopranos, altos, tenors and basses, with the first two usually the female part of the choir.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Duncan. This one fairly flew in this morning although there were a couple I couldn&#039;t parse.  BOBBING was clever, and I also liked TOUCH JUDGE.  Thanks to Phi too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Duncan. This one fairly flew in this morning although there were a couple I couldn&#8217;t parse.  BOBBING was clever, and I also liked TOUCH JUDGE.  Thanks to Phi too.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Phi for an enjoyable puzzle and Duncan for your excellent blog. Favourite clue 19ac.

Minor quibble with 4dn: From the construction we have to join AIR to ALARM for the reversal before removing the R from ALARM. This means that &quot;ignoring R&quot; has to be used to remove one of two Rs. I see this as a small, and readily forgiveable, imperfection in the clue.

Minor quibble with the blog at 20ac: While I can accept that originally the word ALTO was restricted to a male voice, this is no longer the case. &lt;i&gt;Chambers&lt;/i&gt; 2008 gives &quot;contralto, the lowest female voice&quot; among the meanings of &lt;b&gt;alto¹&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phi for an enjoyable puzzle and Duncan for your excellent blog. Favourite clue 19ac.</p>
<p>Minor quibble with 4dn: From the construction we have to join AIR to ALARM for the reversal before removing the R from ALARM. This means that &#8220;ignoring R&#8221; has to be used to remove one of two Rs. I see this as a small, and readily forgiveable, imperfection in the clue.</p>
<p>Minor quibble with the blog at 20ac: While I can accept that originally the word ALTO was restricted to a male voice, this is no longer the case. <i>Chambers</i> 2008 gives &#8220;contralto, the lowest female voice&#8221; among the meanings of <b>alto¹</b><b>.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellent puzzle, this was my second after Araucaria in The Guardian. 

I don&#039;t know if anyone&#039;s bothered, but clues from each offer an interesting comparison:

Geographical feature that&#039;s identical with halves switched (MESA)

Nothing but inversion of French city (ONLY).

As you may have guessed I&#039;m on the hunt for an indicator (or two) that will provide the elusive switching operation, and today along they come like buses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent puzzle, this was my second after Araucaria in The Guardian. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone&#8217;s bothered, but clues from each offer an interesting comparison:</p>
<p>Geographical feature that&#8217;s identical with halves switched (MESA)</p>
<p>Nothing but inversion of French city (ONLY).</p>
<p>As you may have guessed I&#8217;m on the hunt for an indicator (or two) that will provide the elusive switching operation, and today along they come like buses.</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Phi, and Duncan.   Very enjoyable and on the easy side.   Rather surprised you&#039;d not seen UT INFRA, Duncan.  Esp liked BOBBING when the penny dropped - did not realise there were only seven of those films during the making of which, I believe, the duo never left Hollywood.  TOUCH-JUDGE was pleasing too but all good, precise, and fair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Phi, and Duncan.   Very enjoyable and on the easy side.   Rather surprised you&#8217;d not seen UT INFRA, Duncan.  Esp liked BOBBING when the penny dropped &#8211; did not realise there were only seven of those films during the making of which, I believe, the duo never left Hollywood.  TOUCH-JUDGE was pleasing too but all good, precise, and fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice one from Phi as usual, and thanks, Duncan, for the blog.

BOBBING took me a little while before the penny dropped, too.  Oddly enough it stirred a memory from many years ago (in pre-Indy days) of a puzzle in either the Torygraph or the Grauniad where it was clued similarly, except that the reference was spelt out as &quot;Mr Hope and Mr Crosby&quot;.

BACK END is an expression I&#039;ve only come across in the Midlands.  Often as an adjective, &quot;back-endish&quot;, referring to a late summer day when an early nip in the air reminds one that autumn is almost here.  Not exactly transferrable to Phi&#039;s current antipodean domicile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one from Phi as usual, and thanks, Duncan, for the blog.</p>
<p>BOBBING took me a little while before the penny dropped, too.  Oddly enough it stirred a memory from many years ago (in pre-Indy days) of a puzzle in either the Torygraph or the Grauniad where it was clued similarly, except that the reference was spelt out as &#8220;Mr Hope and Mr Crosby&#8221;.</p>
<p>BACK END is an expression I&#8217;ve only come across in the Midlands.  Often as an adjective, &#8220;back-endish&#8221;, referring to a late summer day when an early nip in the air reminds one that autumn is almost here.  Not exactly transferrable to Phi&#8217;s current antipodean domicile.</p>
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		<title>By: duncanshiell</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DorothyS @ 1

Your explanation of LACONIC is much better than my feeble atempts - thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DorothyS @ 1</p>
<p>Your explanation of LACONIC is much better than my feeble atempts &#8211; thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: DorothyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DorothyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 07:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Duncan. Great blog, as always. Thanks for explaining ACHY -- I was trying to add VG somewhere to come up with a word meaning &#039;exercises&#039;.

On LACONIC, I think it&#039;s L + AC + ON IC(E).

Very enjoyable puzzle. Thanks, Phi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Duncan. Great blog, as always. Thanks for explaining ACHY &#8212; I was trying to add VG somewhere to come up with a word meaning &#8216;exercises&#8217;.</p>
<p>On LACONIC, I think it&#8217;s L + AC + ON IC(E).</p>
<p>Very enjoyable puzzle. Thanks, Phi.</p>
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