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	<description>Never knowingly undersolved.</description>
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		<title>By: Bertandjoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well we now know why we struggled! What an achievement to include all the references, no wonder there were some unfamiliar words! 

We would never have got the theme - Bert only knew the Martian Chronicles.

Well done Eimi and thanks NealH - we needed you to explain 4ac.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we now know why we struggled! What an achievement to include all the references, no wonder there were some unfamiliar words! </p>
<p>We would never have got the theme &#8211; Bert only knew the Martian Chronicles.</p>
<p>Well done Eimi and thanks NealH &#8211; we needed you to explain 4ac.</p>
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		<title>By: hounddog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hounddog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pelham: I&#039;ve often seen the name of the band Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young abbreviated to CSNY.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelham: I&#8217;ve often seen the name of the band Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young abbreviated to CSNY.</p>
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		<title>By: NealH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NealH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the Illustrated Man once but not the Martian Chronicles, so was never likely to spot this.  I wasn&#039;t too keen on Bradbury&#039;s writing style: he seemed like the literary equivalent of a ham actor to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Illustrated Man once but not the Martian Chronicles, so was never likely to spot this.  I wasn&#8217;t too keen on Bradbury&#8217;s writing style: he seemed like the literary equivalent of a ham actor to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I have read The Martian Chronicles, but it was at least 20 years ago, and I didn&#039;t spot the names.  (Originally published in the UK as The Silver Locusts, but I have it under US title.)  Speaking as a long-time SF fan, I found his stories overly sentimental.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have read The Martian Chronicles, but it was at least 20 years ago, and I didn&#8217;t spot the names.  (Originally published in the UK as The Silver Locusts, but I have it under US title.)  Speaking as a long-time SF fan, I found his stories overly sentimental.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must admit I didn&#039;t spot the hidden theme whilst solving. Eimi&#039;s comment @ 9 prompted me to have another look, and after much musing and a little searching I reckon it&#039;s Ray Bradbury&#039;s collection of short stories, The MARTIAN Chronicles. Although I&#039;m not familiar with the work myself, it includes ROCKET SUMMER, The SETTLERS, GREEN MORNING, The LOCUSTS, The SHORE, The MUSICIANS, USHER II, INTERIM, The OFF SEASON, The WATCHERS, The SILENT TOWNS, and And The Moon Be Stlll As BRIGHT. That seems to cover all the across solutions at least, and the event Eimi mentioned must be Bradbury&#039;s recent death.

And I now see that Shuchi @ 13 beat me to it whilst I was writing this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit I didn&#8217;t spot the hidden theme whilst solving. Eimi&#8217;s comment @ 9 prompted me to have another look, and after much musing and a little searching I reckon it&#8217;s Ray Bradbury&#8217;s collection of short stories, The MARTIAN Chronicles. Although I&#8217;m not familiar with the work myself, it includes ROCKET SUMMER, The SETTLERS, GREEN MORNING, The LOCUSTS, The SHORE, The MUSICIANS, USHER II, INTERIM, The OFF SEASON, The WATCHERS, The SILENT TOWNS, and And The Moon Be Stlll As BRIGHT. That seems to cover all the across solutions at least, and the event Eimi mentioned must be Bradbury&#8217;s recent death.</p>
<p>And I now see that Shuchi @ 13 beat me to it whilst I was writing this!</p>
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		<title>By: shuchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shuchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi NealH,

I haven&#039;t solved the puzzle, got the theme from looking at the answers: titles of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bradbury&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ray Bradbury&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi NealH,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t solved the puzzle, got the theme from looking at the answers: titles of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bradbury" rel="nofollow">Ray Bradbury</a>&#8216;s works.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction to 11: In my list of pairs of lights which would split the grid if omitted, I should have said 2/23dn not 9/19dn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to 11: In my list of pairs of lights which would split the grid if omitted, I should have said 2/23dn not 9/19dn.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Neal for the blog and eimi for a puzzle with plenty of enjoyable clues.

It is certainly an odd grid. Apart from the two pairs of lights with less than 50% cross-checking, I regard it as undesirable if there is even one pair of lights whose removal would split the grid into two disjoint parts. Here there are no fewer than six such pairs: 10/30ac, 13/25ac, 14/22ac, 16/20ac, 8/24dn, and 9/19dn.

Maybe my dislike of grids that lack full interlocking comes from my preferred solving method, which is to solve one clue only from scratch, and then work outwards from that answer without having to start again somewhere else. As usual, I have no quarrel with people who work differently and are not bothered by such niceties of grid construction.

There appears to be some sort of theme to do with (American) popular music, but this is not an area about which I have much knowledge.

26dn: Should there not be an indicator for initial letters of Crosby and Nash?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Neal for the blog and eimi for a puzzle with plenty of enjoyable clues.</p>
<p>It is certainly an odd grid. Apart from the two pairs of lights with less than 50% cross-checking, I regard it as undesirable if there is even one pair of lights whose removal would split the grid into two disjoint parts. Here there are no fewer than six such pairs: 10/30ac, 13/25ac, 14/22ac, 16/20ac, 8/24dn, and 9/19dn.</p>
<p>Maybe my dislike of grids that lack full interlocking comes from my preferred solving method, which is to solve one clue only from scratch, and then work outwards from that answer without having to start again somewhere else. As usual, I have no quarrel with people who work differently and are not bothered by such niceties of grid construction.</p>
<p>There appears to be some sort of theme to do with (American) popular music, but this is not an area about which I have much knowledge.</p>
<p>26dn: Should there not be an indicator for initial letters of Crosby and Nash?</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t see 25dn.  Kept on thinking of &quot;mummers&quot; and wondered if &quot;mumm&quot; was an old word for an actor.

Speaking as someone with a physics degree, I could never remember whether a cathode was positive or negative.  I remembered electrons are negative and move out of the negative terminal of a battery, but that was it.

I&#039;d heard of Donna Summer and knew she&#039;d died recently, which gave me the answer to 4ac, but although I&#039;d heard of REM, I&#039;d no idea that they&#039;d recently disbanded and didn&#039;t see how the clue worked.

I noticed the odd grid but couldn&#039;t see anything special about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t see 25dn.  Kept on thinking of &#8220;mummers&#8221; and wondered if &#8220;mumm&#8221; was an old word for an actor.</p>
<p>Speaking as someone with a physics degree, I could never remember whether a cathode was positive or negative.  I remembered electrons are negative and move out of the negative terminal of a battery, but that was it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d heard of Donna Summer and knew she&#8217;d died recently, which gave me the answer to 4ac, but although I&#8217;d heard of REM, I&#8217;d no idea that they&#8217;d recently disbanded and didn&#8217;t see how the clue worked.</p>
<p>I noticed the odd grid but couldn&#8217;t see anything special about it.</p>
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		<title>By: eimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>eimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may have been let down by my lack of scientific knowledge with cathode, but I took it from the first definition in Chambers - and I did put &lt;i&gt;one&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; positive (meaning they aren&#039;t all). Perhaps it might be science fiction :-)

Both Collins and the COED have country as an acceptable definition of &#039;shore&#039; in the singular.

I&#039;m still waiting for someone to work out why the odd grid, some abstruse entries and marvel at the quick turnaround since the event that prompted the grid-fill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have been let down by my lack of scientific knowledge with cathode, but I took it from the first definition in Chambers &#8211; and I did put <i>one&#8217;s</i> positive (meaning they aren&#8217;t all). Perhaps it might be science fiction <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Both Collins and the COED have country as an acceptable definition of &#8216;shore&#8217; in the singular.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for someone to work out why the odd grid, some abstruse entries and marvel at the quick turnaround since the event that prompted the grid-fill.</p>
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