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		<title>By: r_c_a_d</title>
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		<dc:creator>r_c_a_d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am late here, but just to clear up the port vs socket thing - in terms of computer hardware a port and socket are pretty much the same thing (a physical connection point) - but in computer software a port is just one property of a socket, which is a virtual data connection. 

Oh, and I really enjoyed the crossword too :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am late here, but just to clear up the port vs socket thing &#8211; in terms of computer hardware a port and socket are pretty much the same thing (a physical connection point) &#8211; but in computer software a port is just one property of a socket, which is a virtual data connection. </p>
<p>Oh, and I really enjoyed the crossword too <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a Lear liberty.
Just a Lear liberty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a Lear liberty.<br />
Just a Lear liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW @29
Took me a while to understand what you were getting at. I had to go yesterday&#039;s comments. Curious coincidence that the same type of clue occurs at 5dn in both puzzles, and amusing that it elicits the same complaint.

I agree that it is perfectly valid to criticise an entire puzzle, and thereby the compiler. Thankfully this is not always possible.

I like quibbling and provoking argument. It&#039;s fun, even when I get it wrong.
I don&#039;t like your disparaging description of this. I can find neither squibble nor naggle in Chambers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW @29<br />
Took me a while to understand what you were getting at. I had to go yesterday&#8217;s comments. Curious coincidence that the same type of clue occurs at 5dn in both puzzles, and amusing that it elicits the same complaint.</p>
<p>I agree that it is perfectly valid to criticise an entire puzzle, and thereby the compiler. Thankfully this is not always possible.</p>
<p>I like quibbling and provoking argument. It&#8217;s fun, even when I get it wrong.<br />
I don&#8217;t like your disparaging description of this. I can find neither squibble nor naggle in Chambers.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW @29
Took me a while to understand what you were getting at. I had to go yesterday&#039;s comments. Curious coincidence that the same type of clue occurs at 5dn in both puzzles, and amusing that it elicits the same complaint.

I agree that it is perfectly valid to criticise an entire puzzle, and thereby the compiler. Thankfully this is not always possible.

I like quibbling and provoking argument, even when I have to admit defeat.

I dont&#039;t like your disparaging description of this. I can find neither squibble nor naggle in Chambers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW @29<br />
Took me a while to understand what you were getting at. I had to go yesterday&#8217;s comments. Curious coincidence that the same type of clue occurs at 5dn in both puzzles, and amusing that it elicits the same complaint.</p>
<p>I agree that it is perfectly valid to criticise an entire puzzle, and thereby the compiler. Thankfully this is not always possible.</p>
<p>I like quibbling and provoking argument, even when I have to admit defeat.</p>
<p>I dont&#8217;t like your disparaging description of this. I can find neither squibble nor naggle in Chambers.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rho@28
&quot;b) As I said, some would argue that a puzzle should be difficult, especially a Cryptic one. They might even argue that difficulty IS the sake of a Cryptic.&quot;

There is no &#039;might&#039; about it, rho.
It is much more valid to criticise a whole puzzle rather than all this sqibble/squabble and niggle/naggle about one word in one clue.
Just because it does not agree with the poster&#039;s &#039;superior&#039; knowledge on the issue then very severe language, often directed at the compiler is fine. 
However daring to suggest that it is a duff production  brings down the wrath of the resident gods upon one&#039;s head.
Just think how sad was Johnmcc&#039;s comment very late the other night.
Almost samizdat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rho@28<br />
&#8220;b) As I said, some would argue that a puzzle should be difficult, especially a Cryptic one. They might even argue that difficulty IS the sake of a Cryptic.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no &#8216;might&#8217; about it, rho.<br />
It is much more valid to criticise a whole puzzle rather than all this sqibble/squabble and niggle/naggle about one word in one clue.<br />
Just because it does not agree with the poster&#8217;s &#8216;superior&#8217; knowledge on the issue then very severe language, often directed at the compiler is fine.<br />
However daring to suggest that it is a duff production  brings down the wrath of the resident gods upon one&#8217;s head.<br />
Just think how sad was Johnmcc&#8217;s comment very late the other night.<br />
Almost samizdat.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul B @16:

a) Surely you&#039;re not accusing Orlando of poor technique, are you?

b) As I said, some would argue that a puzzle should be difficult, especially a Cryptic one. They might even argue that difficulty IS the sake of a Cryptic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul B @16:</p>
<p>a) Surely you&#8217;re not accusing Orlando of poor technique, are you?</p>
<p>b) As I said, some would argue that a puzzle should be difficult, especially a Cryptic one. They might even argue that difficulty IS the sake of a Cryptic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Eileen, needed for a couple of explanations. 

The Xword started out quite easily for me, but slowed down thereafter; I suspected such as PIROGUE and PINETUM were correct, but didn&#039;t have the confidence to be sure, and I had no access to sources at the time.

No one else seems to have commented on the ports/socket thing. I think Chambers are probably conflating several technical meanings of these terms, and once again have not got it quite right (we had discussions a few years ago about their definitions of some mathematical terms such as &quot;differential&quot; I think it was).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eileen, needed for a couple of explanations. </p>
<p>The Xword started out quite easily for me, but slowed down thereafter; I suspected such as PIROGUE and PINETUM were correct, but didn&#8217;t have the confidence to be sure, and I had no access to sources at the time.</p>
<p>No one else seems to have commented on the ports/socket thing. I think Chambers are probably conflating several technical meanings of these terms, and once again have not got it quite right (we had discussions a few years ago about their definitions of some mathematical terms such as &#8220;differential&#8221; I think it was).</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear tupu

Lucky you, to have spent time in my spiritual home!

&quot;However, I think you can use both without adverbs such as ‘out’ or ‘off’ e.g. ‘I must just pop/nip to the chemists before they close’.&quot;

I think that&#039;s what I meant all those hours ago!

&quot;Orlando is fast becoming one of my favourites setters.&quot; He&#039;s always been one of mine, even before one of his puzzles being, as I&#039;ve often mentioned before, my first experience of blogging - and I couldn&#039;t have wished for a better introduction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear tupu</p>
<p>Lucky you, to have spent time in my spiritual home!</p>
<p>&#8220;However, I think you can use both without adverbs such as ‘out’ or ‘off’ e.g. ‘I must just pop/nip to the chemists before they close’.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s what I meant all those hours ago!</p>
<p>&#8220;Orlando is fast becoming one of my favourites setters.&#8221; He&#8217;s always been one of mine, even before one of his puzzles being, as I&#8217;ve often mentioned before, my first experience of blogging &#8211; and I couldn&#8217;t have wished for a better introduction.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eileen and Orlando

I only got to this late in the day after driving home in the rain after a sunny few days in Nidderdale with old friends.

More difficult than some previous Orlandos but well worth the effort. Very good surfaces and some clever anagrams. I ticked 1a, 19a, 21a, 16d and 20d but many others also pleased.

Re &#039;nip&#039; and &#039;pop&#039;, I did not fully understand this when solving. However, I think you can use both without adverbs such as &#039;out&#039; or &#039;off&#039; e.g. &#039;I must just pop/nip to the chemists before they close&#039;.

Orlando is fast becoming one of my favourites setters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eileen and Orlando</p>
<p>I only got to this late in the day after driving home in the rain after a sunny few days in Nidderdale with old friends.</p>
<p>More difficult than some previous Orlandos but well worth the effort. Very good surfaces and some clever anagrams. I ticked 1a, 19a, 21a, 16d and 20d but many others also pleased.</p>
<p>Re &#8216;nip&#8217; and &#8216;pop&#8217;, I did not fully understand this when solving. However, I think you can use both without adverbs such as &#8216;out&#8217; or &#8216;off&#8217; e.g. &#8216;I must just pop/nip to the chemists before they close&#8217;.</p>
<p>Orlando is fast becoming one of my favourites setters.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, scchua - and your link confirms my verb usages, too. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, scchua &#8211; and your link confirms my verb usages, too. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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