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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Cryptic N° 25,675 by Araucaria</title>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/06/29/guardian-cryptic-n-25675-by-araucaria/#comment-197053</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and your language is positively polite.&quot; Thanks.
It has taken some folk on this MB a while to appreciate that and accept that I can be (and am) sometimes brutal in my assessment of a puzzle without straying into undesirable or personal language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and your language is positively polite.&#8221; Thanks.<br />
It has taken some folk on this MB a while to appreciate that and accept that I can be (and am) sometimes brutal in my assessment of a puzzle without straying into undesirable or personal language.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW @26

You are much too modest. (arsed,he)* is very clever and most appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW @26</p>
<p>You are much too modest. (arsed,he)* is very clever and most appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/06/29/guardian-cryptic-n-25675-by-araucaria/#comment-197025</link>
		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW @21: By inappropriate I take it you mean in contravention of Site Policy, in that my language was insulting.

Well, as I say above, I think Brendan&#039;s comment was gratuitously insulting. In chosing to insult Brendan I was being appropriately inappropriate.

My choice of the word asinine was taken, appropriately, from the clue in question. It is also appropriately hyperbolic.

Now, you started all this @7, prompting Brendan to join in @14. You criticised the puzzle for being too easy and cited a particular clue by way of illustration. However your comment, in general and particular, is not invalid and your language is positively polite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW @21: By inappropriate I take it you mean in contravention of Site Policy, in that my language was insulting.</p>
<p>Well, as I say above, I think Brendan&#8217;s comment was gratuitously insulting. In chosing to insult Brendan I was being appropriately inappropriate.</p>
<p>My choice of the word asinine was taken, appropriately, from the clue in question. It is also appropriately hyperbolic.</p>
<p>Now, you started all this @7, prompting Brendan to join in @14. You criticised the puzzle for being too easy and cited a particular clue by way of illustration. However your comment, in general and particular, is not invalid and your language is positively polite.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brendan @24: OK

You say re 24dn &quot;Surely not an Araucaria clue?&quot;. It is typically Araucarian. Two cryptic definitions, the second rather loose, more an allusion than a definition. Both amusing. JS found the clue amusing. So did I. I suspect that PeterO did too, given his fine elaboration in the blog. Your criticism is invalid.

The rest of your comment seems merely to say that you thought it too easy. Nothing wrong with that but your language is sarcastic and hyperbolic. You are being insulting to JS and to Araucaria himself.

Insulting and invalid contravenes points 1 and 2 of Site Policy. To borrow a word from RCW @21 your comment is inappropriate, to put it mildly. &#039;Asinine&#039; is, of course, not putting it mildly, but more of that later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan @24: OK</p>
<p>You say re 24dn &#8220;Surely not an Araucaria clue?&#8221;. It is typically Araucarian. Two cryptic definitions, the second rather loose, more an allusion than a definition. Both amusing. JS found the clue amusing. So did I. I suspect that PeterO did too, given his fine elaboration in the blog. Your criticism is invalid.</p>
<p>The rest of your comment seems merely to say that you thought it too easy. Nothing wrong with that but your language is sarcastic and hyperbolic. You are being insulting to JS and to Araucaria himself.</p>
<p>Insulting and invalid contravenes points 1 and 2 of Site Policy. To borrow a word from RCW @21 your comment is inappropriate, to put it mildly. &#8216;Asinine&#8217; is, of course, not putting it mildly, but more of that later.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rho @22
a) my comment was not addressed to anyone
b) you obviously failed entirely to spot that you were in the middle of discussing the clue for &#039;sheared&#039;, you introduced my name to the discussion and my reply was a moderately clever anagram (arsed, he). Wake up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rho @22<br />
a) my comment was not addressed to anyone<br />
b) you obviously failed entirely to spot that you were in the middle of discussing the clue for &#8216;sheared&#8217;, you introduced my name to the discussion and my reply was a moderately clever anagram (arsed, he). Wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[12A  - I agree with  S.telfer@10

13D - Petero@23: apologies for my noun/verb error; I agree the interpretation has to be personification of the abstract noun.  But this is awkward, and quite unnecessary: as William@18 pointed out, the awkwardness could be avoided by simply omitting &quot;I give&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12A  &#8211; I agree with  S.telfer@10</p>
<p>13D &#8211; Petero@23: apologies for my noun/verb error; I agree the interpretation has to be personification of the abstract noun.  But this is awkward, and quite unnecessary: as William@18 pointed out, the awkwardness could be avoided by simply omitting &#8220;I give&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (not that one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan (not that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rho @16

I read your comments with interest. Please could you inform us all just how my comment was asinine?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rho @16</p>
<p>I read your comments with interest. Please could you inform us all just how my comment was asinine?</p>
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		<title>By: PeterO</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[William @18

I took the &#039;I&#039; in 13D to be a personification of the sermon&#039;s postamble (and I disagree with Denis @20 that the clue as phrased requires a verb as answer). All told, I would not put this clue among Araucaria&#039;s finest - apart from the personification, the definition seems questionable (although the usage may common jargon for a cleric), and the &#039;a&#039; before &#039;hundred&#039; there only for the surface, which is not up to much anyway.

Mark @19

In 19A, I suggested that each word should be reversed separately. This strikes me as odd, but not entirely outside the pale. MAST and RIDER have been dealt with already. For BECK, it might be added that the verb beckon is more familiar.

EB @1

It wasn&#039;t, but it certainly should have been. I do not know why I was fixated on Solon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William @18</p>
<p>I took the &#8216;I&#8217; in 13D to be a personification of the sermon&#8217;s postamble (and I disagree with Denis @20 that the clue as phrased requires a verb as answer). All told, I would not put this clue among Araucaria&#8217;s finest &#8211; apart from the personification, the definition seems questionable (although the usage may common jargon for a cleric), and the &#8216;a&#8217; before &#8216;hundred&#8217; there only for the surface, which is not up to much anyway.</p>
<p>Mark @19</p>
<p>In 19A, I suggested that each word should be reversed separately. This strikes me as odd, but not entirely outside the pale. MAST and RIDER have been dealt with already. For BECK, it might be added that the verb beckon is more familiar.</p>
<p>EB @1</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t, but it certainly should have been. I do not know why I was fixated on Solon.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW @21

I could refute your assertion but I can&#039;t be arsed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW @21</p>
<p>I could refute your assertion but I can&#8217;t be arsed.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mark
A rider is usually a legal term meaning something added as an extra to a document etc. I assume in this case it refers to those occasions when a jury reports &#039;guilty&#039; but then adds some recommendation to the judge.
rho @16
That is the second example of inapproptiate language here this week. It would be desirable if it were the last.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark<br />
A rider is usually a legal term meaning something added as an extra to a document etc. I assume in this case it refers to those occasions when a jury reports &#8216;guilty&#8217; but then adds some recommendation to the judge.<br />
rho @16<br />
That is the second example of inapproptiate language here this week. It would be desirable if it were the last.</p>
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