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		<title>By: flashling</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/07/06/independent-8027-phi/#comment-197471</link>
		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Duncan&#039;s &quot;Perhaps I should give up blogging and concentrate on setting as I have a degree in Mathematics and Computer Science.
 
However, I have always felt more comfortable as an analyst and my attempts at writing clues could very fairly be rated within the spectrum of poor to abysmal.&quot;

We are in the same boat in so many ways Duncan I&#039;m a maths/comp sci graduate as well and couldn&#039;t agree more with the second line, those with the spark to get a really devious defintion are worth their weight in gold, even if they only get paid pennies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Duncan&#8217;s &#8220;Perhaps I should give up blogging and concentrate on setting as I have a degree in Mathematics and Computer Science.</p>
<p>However, I have always felt more comfortable as an analyst and my attempts at writing clues could very fairly be rated within the spectrum of poor to abysmal.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are in the same boat in so many ways Duncan I&#8217;m a maths/comp sci graduate as well and couldn&#8217;t agree more with the second line, those with the spark to get a really devious defintion are worth their weight in gold, even if they only get paid pennies.</p>
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		<title>By: Phi</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/07/06/independent-8027-phi/#comment-197463</link>
		<dc:creator>Phi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My own observation would be that crosswords appeal to scientists who like the arts - it&#039;s the mix of rigour/design/structure in producing a grid with the more &#039;creative&#039; side of clue-writing that hits the spot.  I think it much the place to be if you to affect (or even have) a wide knowledge of the world)  And I&#039;d point out that I&#039;ve given you mathematicians and astronomers in recent months, as well as ballet. 

We very definitely have ticket inspectors punching tickets here in Wellington - I can see why a ten-trip ticket needs a sequence of holes to show it&#039;s being used, but no-one can explain why my monthly needs one hole putting in it (preferably early in the month).  We do not have tickets collected.

American Gothic is one of those pictures that &#039;everyone knows&#039; (it is simultaneously iconic and parodiable), even if they don&#039;t know the title (go and Google it).  I think it almost a public service to complete your knowledge in this way...  

Do try Atterberg&#039;s symphonies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own observation would be that crosswords appeal to scientists who like the arts &#8211; it&#8217;s the mix of rigour/design/structure in producing a grid with the more &#8216;creative&#8217; side of clue-writing that hits the spot.  I think it much the place to be if you to affect (or even have) a wide knowledge of the world)  And I&#8217;d point out that I&#8217;ve given you mathematicians and astronomers in recent months, as well as ballet. </p>
<p>We very definitely have ticket inspectors punching tickets here in Wellington &#8211; I can see why a ten-trip ticket needs a sequence of holes to show it&#8217;s being used, but no-one can explain why my monthly needs one hole putting in it (preferably early in the month).  We do not have tickets collected.</p>
<p>American Gothic is one of those pictures that &#8216;everyone knows&#8217; (it is simultaneously iconic and parodiable), even if they don&#8217;t know the title (go and Google it).  I think it almost a public service to complete your knowledge in this way&#8230;  </p>
<p>Do try Atterberg&#8217;s symphonies.</p>
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		<title>By: duncanshiell</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncanshiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting comments @ 5 and 6 by Paul B and K&#039;s dad.

Perhaps I should give up blogging and concentrate on setting as I have a degree in Mathematics and Computer Science.

However, I have always felt more comfortable as an analyst and my attempts at writing clues could very fairly be rated within the spectrum of poor to abysmal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments @ 5 and 6 by Paul B and K&#8217;s dad.</p>
<p>Perhaps I should give up blogging and concentrate on setting as I have a degree in Mathematics and Computer Science.</p>
<p>However, I have always felt more comfortable as an analyst and my attempts at writing clues could very fairly be rated within the spectrum of poor to abysmal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgot to say, I knew the picture at 13ac for years, it being much parodied, before I knew it was called American Gothic.  Never heard of the French poem, though.

I was delayed in solving 13ac because my first guess for 4dn was &quot;ticket inspector&quot; which almost sounds plausible as the correct answer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to say, I knew the picture at 13ac for years, it being much parodied, before I knew it was called American Gothic.  Never heard of the French poem, though.</p>
<p>I was delayed in solving 13ac because my first guess for 4dn was &#8220;ticket inspector&#8221; which almost sounds plausible as the correct answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last two clues in were 5dn and 24ac.  I guessed &quot;detrain&quot; and a word search said that was the only word to fit the crossing letters, but I couldn&#039;t see why.  Unfortunately, for 24ac, I saw &quot;cray&quot; as a type of fish and thought that must be the answer.

As to the C.P. Snow Two Cultures, it&#039;s my experience that scientists and techies are interested in the arts whereas artists are not interested in science.  As I said earlier this week, I have a degree in physics, worked thirty years in IT, but listen to classical music at every opportunity.  (I was intrigued to discover recently that the Swedish composer Kurt Atterberg had a degree in engineering and worked in the Swedish patent office for fifty years, ending up as head of department.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last two clues in were 5dn and 24ac.  I guessed &#8220;detrain&#8221; and a word search said that was the only word to fit the crossing letters, but I couldn&#8217;t see why.  Unfortunately, for 24ac, I saw &#8220;cray&#8221; as a type of fish and thought that must be the answer.</p>
<p>As to the C.P. Snow Two Cultures, it&#8217;s my experience that scientists and techies are interested in the arts whereas artists are not interested in science.  As I said earlier this week, I have a degree in physics, worked thirty years in IT, but listen to classical music at every opportunity.  (I was intrigued to discover recently that the Swedish composer Kurt Atterberg had a degree in engineering and worked in the Swedish patent office for fifty years, ending up as head of department.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bamberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bamberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 17:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After 40 mins gave up with only 1a,4a,7a,4d &amp; 7d solved. Ian SW3 -that is an amazing time! Great blog -just too hard for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 40 mins gave up with only 1a,4a,7a,4d &amp; 7d solved. Ian SW3 -that is an amazing time! Great blog -just too hard for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Duncan, fine blog as usual.  &#039;A good old-fashioned puzzle&#039; is an apposite description, I think: good range of topics and clueing; some new words to struggle with (never seen that spelling of CHIMAERA) and a French poem I&#039;d never heard of.  I liked PREY but still don&#039;t really get TICKET COLLECTOR.  But a good end to the week.

I&#039;d say that a majority of clues are geared towards literature and the arts (although Anarche and Tees have both given us largely science-based themes recently).  From my own experience, I know lots more biochemists who have bookshelves full of contemporary and classic literature than arts-based folk who have any wide understanding of the sciences.

And Paul B is right - I have been very surprised by how many of the setters I&#039;ve met at the various S&amp;B events whose background is in maths or IT.

Good weekend to everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Duncan, fine blog as usual.  &#8216;A good old-fashioned puzzle&#8217; is an apposite description, I think: good range of topics and clueing; some new words to struggle with (never seen that spelling of CHIMAERA) and a French poem I&#8217;d never heard of.  I liked PREY but still don&#8217;t really get TICKET COLLECTOR.  But a good end to the week.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that a majority of clues are geared towards literature and the arts (although Anarche and Tees have both given us largely science-based themes recently).  From my own experience, I know lots more biochemists who have bookshelves full of contemporary and classic literature than arts-based folk who have any wide understanding of the sciences.</p>
<p>And Paul B is right &#8211; I have been very surprised by how many of the setters I&#8217;ve met at the various S&amp;B events whose background is in maths or IT.</p>
<p>Good weekend to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 15:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most setters, OTOH, are inclined towards maths. Apparently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most setters, OTOH, are inclined towards maths. Apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Carslake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carslake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too was rather unimpressed by TICKET COLLECTOR, though I enjoyed the puzzle as a whole. It doesn&#039;t really work in the way you suggest, but in trying to justify what was clearly meant to be the answer, I concluded that perhaps a ticket _collector_ wouldn&#039;t punch your ticket because s/he has collected it (whereas a ticket _inspector_ might well &#039;give you a punch&#039;). That said, in most transport situations, tickets are inspected (and punched) rather than collected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was rather unimpressed by TICKET COLLECTOR, though I enjoyed the puzzle as a whole. It doesn&#8217;t really work in the way you suggest, but in trying to justify what was clearly meant to be the answer, I concluded that perhaps a ticket _collector_ wouldn&#8217;t punch your ticket because s/he has collected it (whereas a ticket _inspector_ might well &#8216;give you a punch&#8217;). That said, in most transport situations, tickets are inspected (and punched) rather than collected.</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 10:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks, Duncan, for the blog and Phi for the puzzle which I too found on the easy side but enjoyable of course.   Was able to get the two words that were new to me (EPHEMERIS and REIFY) from the clear wordplay - similarly the less common spelling CHIMAERA.  Trickiest clue (and my last answer):  PREY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, Duncan, for the blog and Phi for the puzzle which I too found on the easy side but enjoyable of course.   Was able to get the two words that were new to me (EPHEMERIS and REIFY) from the clear wordplay &#8211; similarly the less common spelling CHIMAERA.  Trickiest clue (and my last answer):  PREY</p>
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