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		<title>By: Davy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/07/12/guardian-25686-by-gordius/#comment-198016</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huw at 37 :

The clue for 17 was &#039;Knockout over the abyss, wherein is brevity (8)&#039;

Knockout over = STUN backwards leading to NUTS with abyss = HELL and the definition is brevity = NUTSHELL as in &#039;in a nutshell&#039;
I suppose that nutshell by itself is argueable]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huw at 37 :</p>
<p>The clue for 17 was &#8216;Knockout over the abyss, wherein is brevity (8)&#8217;</p>
<p>Knockout over = STUN backwards leading to NUTS with abyss = HELL and the definition is brevity = NUTSHELL as in &#8216;in a nutshell&#8217;<br />
I suppose that nutshell by itself is argueable</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this was one of those &quot;wavelength&quot; things for me - some very easy clues, some really hard ones, and not as many chuckles as I prefer.  And too many really vague clues.

&quot;of Foreign&quot; for DE?  No brilliance there.

&quot;TIMES LEADERS&quot;?  Never heard of the phrase.  Is it a Brit thing?  I may have been a bit lost as Sil @ 16 on some of these.  If so, that&#039;s a fair cop, since this is a British puzzle.

SAMPLE is weak.

A RAISIN is not a fruit, the fruit is a grape.

While 7 was nice, I hate the use of &quot;notes&quot; to mean any number over 1 of letters between A and G or perhaps any combination of the Italian names for the notes.  That just strikes me as lazy.  But that&#039;s the wavelength thing?  If DE in 1 was &quot;of Foreign&quot; and DE here is &quot;notes&quot;, why not figure out something interesting to use?  There is a state in the US abbreviated DE...

15 was too verbose, too many words that were just filler.

17 was awful, IMHO.  Was &quot;knockout&quot; supposed to mean &quot;NUTS&quot;?  Really?

Oh well, as I said, I think it was a wavelength thing, and even though I got most of it, I had piles of squiggly lines and question marks pointing to various clues.

But to sum up, thanks to the Grauniad and Gordius for the very low priced (free!) entertainment, and Flashling and everyone else for the blog!

PS, I think Robi@8 is correct on 23.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was one of those &#8220;wavelength&#8221; things for me &#8211; some very easy clues, some really hard ones, and not as many chuckles as I prefer.  And too many really vague clues.</p>
<p>&#8220;of Foreign&#8221; for DE?  No brilliance there.</p>
<p>&#8220;TIMES LEADERS&#8221;?  Never heard of the phrase.  Is it a Brit thing?  I may have been a bit lost as Sil @ 16 on some of these.  If so, that&#8217;s a fair cop, since this is a British puzzle.</p>
<p>SAMPLE is weak.</p>
<p>A RAISIN is not a fruit, the fruit is a grape.</p>
<p>While 7 was nice, I hate the use of &#8220;notes&#8221; to mean any number over 1 of letters between A and G or perhaps any combination of the Italian names for the notes.  That just strikes me as lazy.  But that&#8217;s the wavelength thing?  If DE in 1 was &#8220;of Foreign&#8221; and DE here is &#8220;notes&#8221;, why not figure out something interesting to use?  There is a state in the US abbreviated DE&#8230;</p>
<p>15 was too verbose, too many words that were just filler.</p>
<p>17 was awful, IMHO.  Was &#8220;knockout&#8221; supposed to mean &#8220;NUTS&#8221;?  Really?</p>
<p>Oh well, as I said, I think it was a wavelength thing, and even though I got most of it, I had piles of squiggly lines and question marks pointing to various clues.</p>
<p>But to sum up, thanks to the Grauniad and Gordius for the very low priced (free!) entertainment, and Flashling and everyone else for the blog!</p>
<p>PS, I think Robi@8 is correct on 23.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is enough does not equal ample. it equals is ample.

I think we agree that enough is enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is enough does not equal ample. it equals is ample.</p>
<p>I think we agree that enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well that&#039;s another matter. I&#039;d been thinking it means &#039;more than enough&#039;. Slightly different discussion angle there though.

Rorschach isolates the meaning for AMPLE well. If we were to correct the clue, we&#039;d get 

a quarter is more than enough (equals)
S is more than enough (equals)
S AMPLE.

Works for me, as Jack Rosenberg once said, with or without the IS. Perfectly good clue, in that respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s another matter. I&#8217;d been thinking it means &#8216;more than enough&#8217;. Slightly different discussion angle there though.</p>
<p>Rorschach isolates the meaning for AMPLE well. If we were to correct the clue, we&#8217;d get </p>
<p>a quarter is more than enough (equals)<br />
S is more than enough (equals)<br />
S AMPLE.</p>
<p>Works for me, as Jack Rosenberg once said, with or without the IS. Perfectly good clue, in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s enough now, folks.

Or do I mean I think that ample?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s enough now, folks.</p>
<p>Or do I mean I think that ample?</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Rorschach, that was my first thought too when I solved the puzzle. If it is like that, fine. But can you give me an example of a sentence or expression in which this equality works? 

While this discussion should perhaps stop now, I keep on asking because I really would like to understand it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Rorschach, that was my first thought too when I solved the puzzle. If it is like that, fine. But can you give me an example of a sentence or expression in which this equality works? </p>
<p>While this discussion should perhaps stop now, I keep on asking because I really would like to understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rorschach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rorschach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ample = is enough]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ample = is enough</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Usually, either I agree with you or learn from you on these matters, but this time I cannot follow you (yet), Paul.

Could you please explain WHY the word &#039;is&#039; is not superfluous?
I can&#039;t read S AMPLE as S=AMPLE (if that&#039;s what it all about).
Or is it =S + AMPLE, which I find odd too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually, either I agree with you or learn from you on these matters, but this time I cannot follow you (yet), Paul.</p>
<p>Could you please explain WHY the word &#8216;is&#8217; is not superfluous?<br />
I can&#8217;t read S AMPLE as S=AMPLE (if that&#8217;s what it all about).<br />
Or is it =S + AMPLE, which I find odd too?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As mentioned, the IS is not superfluous: S AMPLE directly equates to &#039;a quarter is enough&#039;. So whether by accident or design, Gordius gets it absolutely right in that case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As mentioned, the IS is not superfluous: S AMPLE directly equates to &#8216;a quarter is enough&#8217;. So whether by accident or design, Gordius gets it absolutely right in that case.</p>
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		<title>By: JollySwagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JollySwagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Late back.

Re 26a - agree the apostrophe S would have stifled complaint (except one apparently) but whether &quot;is&quot; should be effectively allowable padding (such as articles and &quot;to&quot; with a verb in the ximenean cryptic grammar) in non-ximenean grammars is an interesting point. 

There&#039;s probably a case to be made for it on the basis that, eg in the present case:

“A quarter” = S
“A quarter is” S

enable the &quot;is&quot; to be swallowed.

More generally &quot;is&quot; representing equality might give that word reasonable free range - obviously it also get used as alinkword on that basis.

Re 14a - &quot;But&quot; always seems to cause a slight bump - it gets in as a conjuction almost like &quot;and&quot; but how you throw away that additional implication of reluctance I&#039;m not really sure. Presumably there&#039;s an example somewhere which excuses it but I can&#039;t think of one myself.

Re 12a - Times Leaders were (mainly during the time of John Jacob Astor - uncle of The Observer&#039;s David) renowned for being controversial at times - in contrast with the paper&#039;s (pre Murdochian) image of staidness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late back.</p>
<p>Re 26a &#8211; agree the apostrophe S would have stifled complaint (except one apparently) but whether &#8220;is&#8221; should be effectively allowable padding (such as articles and &#8220;to&#8221; with a verb in the ximenean cryptic grammar) in non-ximenean grammars is an interesting point. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s probably a case to be made for it on the basis that, eg in the present case:</p>
<p>“A quarter” = S<br />
“A quarter is” S</p>
<p>enable the &#8220;is&#8221; to be swallowed.</p>
<p>More generally &#8220;is&#8221; representing equality might give that word reasonable free range &#8211; obviously it also get used as alinkword on that basis.</p>
<p>Re 14a &#8211; &#8220;But&#8221; always seems to cause a slight bump &#8211; it gets in as a conjuction almost like &#8220;and&#8221; but how you throw away that additional implication of reluctance I&#8217;m not really sure. Presumably there&#8217;s an example somewhere which excuses it but I can&#8217;t think of one myself.</p>
<p>Re 12a &#8211; Times Leaders were (mainly during the time of John Jacob Astor &#8211; uncle of The Observer&#8217;s David) renowned for being controversial at times &#8211; in contrast with the paper&#8217;s (pre Murdochian) image of staidness.</p>
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