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	<title>Comments on: Financial Times 14,055 by Redshank</title>
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		<title>By: Jeffery@Brother Sewing Machines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffery@Brother Sewing Machines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent and wonderful post!Cool puzzle!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent and wonderful post!Cool puzzle!</p>
<p>Know The Best Sewing Available on  <a href="http://ebrothersewingmachine.com/best-sewing-machine-available/" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://www.ebrothersewingmachine.com/best-sewing-machine-available/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebrothersewingmachine.com/best-sewing-machine-available/</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Keeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pedant alert: I have a nit with 23d. Tundra and taiga are two distinct biomes.  In fact, tundra is characterized by a lack of tree growth.  So &quot;woods in the tundra&quot; doesn&#039;t make sense (and certainly doesn&#039;t equate to taiga).  But as the taiga and tundra are adjacent, this could have been fixed with &quot;next to the tundra&quot; or &quot;below (south of) the tundra&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedant alert: I have a nit with 23d. Tundra and taiga are two distinct biomes.  In fact, tundra is characterized by a lack of tree growth.  So &#8220;woods in the tundra&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make sense (and certainly doesn&#8217;t equate to taiga).  But as the taiga and tundra are adjacent, this could have been fixed with &#8220;next to the tundra&#8221; or &#8220;below (south of) the tundra&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/07/13/financial-times-14055-by-redshank/#comment-198470</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let us wait by the painted porch ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us wait by the painted porch &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Furthermore to subtraction anagrams: JS, what do you think of 29ac in last Monday&#039;s FT Prize Crossword by Dante?
As it&#039;s a prize puzzle, you&#039;re not allowed to say anything about it now and here, but perhaps we can give our discussion a follow-up in my blog of that puzzle next Thursday?
So, stay in tune!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore to subtraction anagrams: JS, what do you think of 29ac in last Monday&#8217;s FT Prize Crossword by Dante?<br />
As it&#8217;s a prize puzzle, you&#8217;re not allowed to say anything about it now and here, but perhaps we can give our discussion a follow-up in my blog of that puzzle next Thursday?<br />
So, stay in tune!</p>
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		<title>By: JollySwagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JollySwagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice idea ferret - toys in my pram all present and correct - only problem is I don&#039;t have any puppets. 

I was advised not to get any cos it makes folks think you&#039;re an obsessive weirdo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea ferret &#8211; toys in my pram all present and correct &#8211; only problem is I don&#8217;t have any puppets. </p>
<p>I was advised not to get any cos it makes folks think you&#8217;re an obsessive weirdo.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellent sentiment!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent sentiment!</p>
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		<title>By: Ferret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If only I was clever enough to devise a subtraction anagram clue that involved throwing TOYS out of A PRAM..........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I was clever enough to devise a subtraction anagram clue that involved throwing TOYS out of A PRAM&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JollySwagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JollySwagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The trick with a good puppet show is to not let the audience see the strings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trick with a good puppet show is to not let the audience see the strings.</p>
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		<title>By: star-system</title>
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		<dc:creator>star-system</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting debate! 

Some fellow I met many years ago had cause to set me straight on something or other with the following, wine-assisted analogy. &#039;In the jungle pathways of Crossword Island are set many traps, frequently sprung, and much to the delight of the tribal elders&#039;. 

What&#039;s Ximenean and what&#039;s not is a can of worms someone very foolishly has opened, and there is no going back. I tend to exercise restraint wherever possible, unless I&#039;m right on the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting debate! </p>
<p>Some fellow I met many years ago had cause to set me straight on something or other with the following, wine-assisted analogy. &#8216;In the jungle pathways of Crossword Island are set many traps, frequently sprung, and much to the delight of the tribal elders&#8217;. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s Ximenean and what&#8217;s not is a can of worms someone very foolishly has opened, and there is no going back. I tend to exercise restraint wherever possible, unless I&#8217;m right on the money.</p>
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		<title>By: JollySwagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JollySwagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - what a nasty man. It&#039;s great sometimes to give people the opportunity to show their true colours. Enough rope and all that. Seems that he was chewing at the bit to have a crack at me.

It seemed such an innocuous thing to say. A bit like driving quietly along a country lane when some road-rager comes roaring up behind - lights flashing, fist shaking. 

Another Indy setter once wrote (not that long ago) in a competition setting:

&quot;The Independent (and, I suspect, The Times) doesn&#039;t allow subtraction anagrams at all if the subtracted fodder doesn&#039;t appear as an unbroken string.&quot;

Actually I could have disagreed with that at the time (re the Indy) as there was a counter-example of that on the Indy not much earlier but as I (think I) recall it only ran to two letters - so the general point that at that time the Indy seemed in general to discourage subtraction anagrams would match my casual observation - The Times even more so although there my visits are even less frequent. 

So in a nutshell I was welcoming that apparent liberalisation.

As far as whether jumbling of the subtraction fodder is needed - for me never - but I have definitely come across folk saying always - now two people say sometimes - depends on the order of presentation, and even that you can fudge the order of evaluation with words like &quot;first&quot;. I&#039;m really not interested in how the numbers divide on that. Never is good enough for me - and if one&#039;s thrown in to help the surface - no harm done. 

Unless my comment at #5 should have more precisely read &quot;Xim-pedants claim ...&quot; as &quot;Some Xim-pedants claim ...&quot; I cannot fault it and the former is a perfectly commonplace usage when the latter is intended.

So the simple message was:

1: there seems to be evidence in that puzzle that the Indy is liberalising it&#039;s attitude to subtraction anagrams.  

2: I welcome that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; what a nasty man. It&#8217;s great sometimes to give people the opportunity to show their true colours. Enough rope and all that. Seems that he was chewing at the bit to have a crack at me.</p>
<p>It seemed such an innocuous thing to say. A bit like driving quietly along a country lane when some road-rager comes roaring up behind &#8211; lights flashing, fist shaking. </p>
<p>Another Indy setter once wrote (not that long ago) in a competition setting:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Independent (and, I suspect, The Times) doesn&#8217;t allow subtraction anagrams at all if the subtracted fodder doesn&#8217;t appear as an unbroken string.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually I could have disagreed with that at the time (re the Indy) as there was a counter-example of that on the Indy not much earlier but as I (think I) recall it only ran to two letters &#8211; so the general point that at that time the Indy seemed in general to discourage subtraction anagrams would match my casual observation &#8211; The Times even more so although there my visits are even less frequent. </p>
<p>So in a nutshell I was welcoming that apparent liberalisation.</p>
<p>As far as whether jumbling of the subtraction fodder is needed &#8211; for me never &#8211; but I have definitely come across folk saying always &#8211; now two people say sometimes &#8211; depends on the order of presentation, and even that you can fudge the order of evaluation with words like &#8220;first&#8221;. I&#8217;m really not interested in how the numbers divide on that. Never is good enough for me &#8211; and if one&#8217;s thrown in to help the surface &#8211; no harm done. </p>
<p>Unless my comment at #5 should have more precisely read &#8220;Xim-pedants claim &#8230;&#8221; as &#8220;Some Xim-pedants claim &#8230;&#8221; I cannot fault it and the former is a perfectly commonplace usage when the latter is intended.</p>
<p>So the simple message was:</p>
<p>1: there seems to be evidence in that puzzle that the Indy is liberalising it&#8217;s attitude to subtraction anagrams.  </p>
<p>2: I welcome that.</p>
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