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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/08/10/guardian-25711-by-araucaria/#comment-204375</link>
		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rififi @ 17, regarding the definition for COMFORTER, I&#039;ve lived in the States for 40-odd years and never heard it called that here.  The term pacifier is the usual.  Luckily the 10 years I spent in the UK help me with clues like this.  Once I had tentatively built the answer, I gave up on Bridge (trying to assemble a strongpoint from North plus 4), it just seemed obvious that a dummy is also a comforter.

That said... I just got back to this, and managed to write the correct letter in every square, whether in pencil or ink.  I was able to construct all the new words (the same ones everyone else mentioned, basically) before looking them up, and staying away from the obvious &quot;cheat&quot; of looking up Mr. Eliot on wikipedia, where a list of works combined with letter counts would have ruined all the fun.  Was embarrassed WASTE LAND took me so long, but I thought it was one word in the title.  Can&#039;t believe I vaguely remembered HOLLOW MAN, because that was a mean clue.

The rest were surprising Ximenian for the Rev, in my opinion.  With him I often find many clues that I &quot;solve&quot;, and I can sort of see where all the bits of the cryptic part come from, but not how to assemble them into a proper explanation.  Clues like that are like playing four-dimensional chess.  Oh, OK, of course.  LIMITED was one of those.  You know it&#039;s right but you can&#039;t prove it in a logical fashion.

Amusingly, I managed to crack 1a before anything at 26a, and I&#039;m really not sure how.

After re-entering this with it about half-done it still took me another couple of enjoyable hours to finish it, motivated by managing to get one answer every ten minutes or so.

Surprised to see (as someone mentioned) that this wasn&#039;t a Prize puzzle, it sure felt like one.  Seriously, I kept wondering why most of the blog posts had the same date as my printout!  I even started thinking &quot;hey, maybe 225 blogs the prizes sooner than I thought!&quot; and I was also wondering why poor flashling felt so rushed when surely s/he had a work to work it out!

Sorry you got stuck with a chore rather than a pleasure, flashling, and thanks for the blog!  And thanks to A. for yet another twisted yet scenic walk through his mind.



Nobody mentioned the sneaky placement of the cryptic part in the center of the definition at 23a.  I thought that was quite artful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rififi @ 17, regarding the definition for COMFORTER, I&#8217;ve lived in the States for 40-odd years and never heard it called that here.  The term pacifier is the usual.  Luckily the 10 years I spent in the UK help me with clues like this.  Once I had tentatively built the answer, I gave up on Bridge (trying to assemble a strongpoint from North plus 4), it just seemed obvious that a dummy is also a comforter.</p>
<p>That said&#8230; I just got back to this, and managed to write the correct letter in every square, whether in pencil or ink.  I was able to construct all the new words (the same ones everyone else mentioned, basically) before looking them up, and staying away from the obvious &#8220;cheat&#8221; of looking up Mr. Eliot on wikipedia, where a list of works combined with letter counts would have ruined all the fun.  Was embarrassed WASTE LAND took me so long, but I thought it was one word in the title.  Can&#8217;t believe I vaguely remembered HOLLOW MAN, because that was a mean clue.</p>
<p>The rest were surprising Ximenian for the Rev, in my opinion.  With him I often find many clues that I &#8220;solve&#8221;, and I can sort of see where all the bits of the cryptic part come from, but not how to assemble them into a proper explanation.  Clues like that are like playing four-dimensional chess.  Oh, OK, of course.  LIMITED was one of those.  You know it&#8217;s right but you can&#8217;t prove it in a logical fashion.</p>
<p>Amusingly, I managed to crack 1a before anything at 26a, and I&#8217;m really not sure how.</p>
<p>After re-entering this with it about half-done it still took me another couple of enjoyable hours to finish it, motivated by managing to get one answer every ten minutes or so.</p>
<p>Surprised to see (as someone mentioned) that this wasn&#8217;t a Prize puzzle, it sure felt like one.  Seriously, I kept wondering why most of the blog posts had the same date as my printout!  I even started thinking &#8220;hey, maybe 225 blogs the prizes sooner than I thought!&#8221; and I was also wondering why poor flashling felt so rushed when surely s/he had a work to work it out!</p>
<p>Sorry you got stuck with a chore rather than a pleasure, flashling, and thanks for the blog!  And thanks to A. for yet another twisted yet scenic walk through his mind.</p>
<p>Nobody mentioned the sneaky placement of the cryptic part in the center of the definition at 23a.  I thought that was quite artful.</p>
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		<title>By: brucew_aus</title>
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		<dc:creator>brucew_aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Araucaria and flashling

Found this quite tough but a lot of fun - like many was able to get ELIOT quite early on but still took some time to break the puzzle open - must read a bit more of the man.

A number of new words in both the non-themed and themed clues - was unfamiliar with WAST WATER in what was probably my COD - had also not heard of MATTEOTTI, RESTIFORM, CADELLE, MUNCH (the painter one) and the ego ARCADIA link - the research button was worked very hard.

As is often the case, the parsing took as much time as the actual solve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Araucaria and flashling</p>
<p>Found this quite tough but a lot of fun &#8211; like many was able to get ELIOT quite early on but still took some time to break the puzzle open &#8211; must read a bit more of the man.</p>
<p>A number of new words in both the non-themed and themed clues &#8211; was unfamiliar with WAST WATER in what was probably my COD &#8211; had also not heard of MATTEOTTI, RESTIFORM, CADELLE, MUNCH (the painter one) and the ego ARCADIA link &#8211; the research button was worked very hard.</p>
<p>As is often the case, the parsing took as much time as the actual solve.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, that was flashling and sidey on this occasion, though the sacred cow argument is wheeled out by one idiot or another pretty much every time A sets a puzzle. Having said that, I&#039;ve met Flash, and he doesn&#039;t seem to be any more of an idiot than anyone else I&#039;ve met at an hostelry de booze somewhere in London. 

What we actually find, especially where the thread hasn&#039;t been too badly nibbled at by 15^2 ducks, or other pond-life, is that people who like, love or even adore the Rev often find something to moan about, in addition to highlighting all the things that are great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that was flashling and sidey on this occasion, though the sacred cow argument is wheeled out by one idiot or another pretty much every time A sets a puzzle. Having said that, I&#8217;ve met Flash, and he doesn&#8217;t seem to be any more of an idiot than anyone else I&#8217;ve met at an hostelry de booze somewhere in London. </p>
<p>What we actually find, especially where the thread hasn&#8217;t been too badly nibbled at by 15^2 ducks, or other pond-life, is that people who like, love or even adore the Rev often find something to moan about, in addition to highlighting all the things that are great.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the blog flashling.  

I liked this very much indeed, though I can see whay some may not.  What I don&#039;t undestand are the conspiracy theories about Araucaria being above criticism.  Many like his puzzles, some don&#039;t.  What&#039;s the fuss?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the blog flashling.  </p>
<p>I liked this very much indeed, though I can see whay some may not.  What I don&#8217;t undestand are the conspiracy theories about Araucaria being above criticism.  Many like his puzzles, some don&#8217;t.  What&#8217;s the fuss?</p>
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		<title>By: JollySwagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JollySwagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 05:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I started doing G puzzles they weren&#039;t by-lined. After they started by-lining them and you saw Araucaria&#039;s name it was obvious that it was he who had been doing the best of those previously uncredited ones. Of course by then Bunthorne was on the scene too and it was a bit of a chippy Manchester thing to make out that he was the best but overall I always preferred A.

When I first landed in Australia there was only one UK puzzle per week to be had on the G weekly, which at that time came AFAIK all the way from the UK on airmail paper. If it wasn&#039;t Big A (pace to the others) you felt like you&#039;d wasted a whole week.

So, like RCW, that makes about 50 years all up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started doing G puzzles they weren&#8217;t by-lined. After they started by-lining them and you saw Araucaria&#8217;s name it was obvious that it was he who had been doing the best of those previously uncredited ones. Of course by then Bunthorne was on the scene too and it was a bit of a chippy Manchester thing to make out that he was the best but overall I always preferred A.</p>
<p>When I first landed in Australia there was only one UK puzzle per week to be had on the G weekly, which at that time came AFAIK all the way from the UK on airmail paper. If it wasn&#8217;t Big A (pace to the others) you felt like you&#8217;d wasted a whole week.</p>
<p>So, like RCW, that makes about 50 years all up.</p>
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		<title>By: nametab</title>
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		<dc:creator>nametab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am always late to contribute, so everyone has already said all there is to say about the crossword&#039;s supposedly contentious clues. Agree particularly with Eileen and RCW&#039;s comments about Rev A.  After 45 years, you get to know someone&#039;s brainwaves (double meaning intended).  Delta implying greek letter &#039;Dee&#039; at 25d seemed quite straightforward, but on other hand, having solved COMFORTER at 21ac, I couldn&#039;t see definition at all.  Thanks to all :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am always late to contribute, so everyone has already said all there is to say about the crossword&#8217;s supposedly contentious clues. Agree particularly with Eileen and RCW&#8217;s comments about Rev A.  After 45 years, you get to know someone&#8217;s brainwaves (double meaning intended).  Delta implying greek letter &#8216;Dee&#8217; at 25d seemed quite straightforward, but on other hand, having solved COMFORTER at 21ac, I couldn&#8217;t see definition at all.  Thanks to all <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad to see that reinstalled Swagman (welcome back) is &#039;not claiming to be an expert&#039; today. That&#039;s a much better idea, but if he wants to know what a pedant thinks about a clue, he could always ask one.

In related news, it&#039;s astonishing the numbers of stricter (i.e. Ximenean or neo-Ximenean) compilers I know who absolutely love Araucaria. Seeing someone doing things so differently, and with so much panache, is mighty to behold - they reckon he&#039;s still a trailblazer at 91, or whatever it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see that reinstalled Swagman (welcome back) is &#8216;not claiming to be an expert&#8217; today. That&#8217;s a much better idea, but if he wants to know what a pedant thinks about a clue, he could always ask one.</p>
<p>In related news, it&#8217;s astonishing the numbers of stricter (i.e. Ximenean or neo-Ximenean) compilers I know who absolutely love Araucaria. Seeing someone doing things so differently, and with so much panache, is mighty to behold &#8211; they reckon he&#8217;s still a trailblazer at 91, or whatever it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alpha Beta Gamma Delta ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alpha Beta Gamma Delta &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all
I agree with Miche and Eileen re: Araucaria (50 years of admiration).
This one I found very tricky although it was all due to one error which I can defend (?).
&quot;Two&#039;s company&quot; is a comparison between 2 and company and hence they are &#039;likened&#039; (5d). This I entered with great confidence and hence failed completely with r?s?i?o?k and m?n?e?t?i. 
Nevertheless, a very good, enjoyable workout which, not for the first, time ended Araucaria 1 RCW 0.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all<br />
I agree with Miche and Eileen re: Araucaria (50 years of admiration).<br />
This one I found very tricky although it was all due to one error which I can defend (?).<br />
&#8220;Two&#8217;s company&#8221; is a comparison between 2 and company and hence they are &#8216;likened&#8217; (5d). This I entered with great confidence and hence failed completely with r?s?i?o?k and m?n?e?t?i.<br />
Nevertheless, a very good, enjoyable workout which, not for the first, time ended Araucaria 1 RCW 0.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks flashling and A. D&#039;oh - I thought I had this one, including the obscure words that had to be checked. BUT, 24a foxed me. I had the T-N-S and decided the clothes must be &quot;ties&quot;. At the time, it almost seemed to make sense . . . 
Not one of A&#039;s very best, imho, but still a good puzzle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks flashling and A. D&#8217;oh &#8211; I thought I had this one, including the obscure words that had to be checked. BUT, 24a foxed me. I had the T-N-S and decided the clothes must be &#8220;ties&#8221;. At the time, it almost seemed to make sense . . .<br />
Not one of A&#8217;s very best, imho, but still a good puzzle.</p>
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