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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Cryptic N° 25,757 by Philistine</title>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/10/03/guardian-cryptic-n-25757-by-philistine/#comment-207482</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, though I&#039;m not sure using the direct indication makes an awful lot of difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, though I&#8217;m not sure using the direct indication makes an awful lot of difference.</p>
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		<title>By: mhl</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/10/03/guardian-cryptic-n-25757-by-philistine/#comment-207333</link>
		<dc:creator>mhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank for the post, PeterO.

I&#039;d certainly echo everyone&#039;s positive comments about this very enjoyable puzzle, while sharing various reservations about LET&#039;S WAIT - not a notable enough phrase to be a crossword answer, in my opinion.

In EUROSCEPTIC, I wondered why Philistine went with &quot;fully Mr&quot; instead of just &quot;Mister&quot;.  As the clue appears in the puzzle, it&#039;s borderline unfair that the anagram fodder isn&#039;t letter-for-letter present in the clue.  (My understanding was that very common indicators that lead to single (or double?) letters are acceptable as anagram fodder, but otherwise the letters really should be present in the clue...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for the post, PeterO.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d certainly echo everyone&#8217;s positive comments about this very enjoyable puzzle, while sharing various reservations about LET&#8217;S WAIT &#8211; not a notable enough phrase to be a crossword answer, in my opinion.</p>
<p>In EUROSCEPTIC, I wondered why Philistine went with &#8220;fully Mr&#8221; instead of just &#8220;Mister&#8221;.  As the clue appears in the puzzle, it&#8217;s borderline unfair that the anagram fodder isn&#8217;t letter-for-letter present in the clue.  (My understanding was that very common indicators that lead to single (or double?) letters are acceptable as anagram fodder, but otherwise the letters really should be present in the clue&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HI Sil

Thanks. I had been puzzled. I suppose it depends on how big the tag was and where the pedant stuck it :).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Sil</p>
<p>Thanks. I had been puzzled. I suppose it depends on how big the tag was and where the pedant stuck it <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tupu, you sound like the compiler&#039;s mother. Relax here with some superb funk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEuIpxp4o]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tupu, you sound like the compiler&#8217;s mother. Relax here with some superb funk:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEuIpxp4o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEuIpxp4o</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t make a fool of me, boys!
I am just a Bl*&amp;^% Foreigner who likes crosswords, but sometimes doesn&#039;t understand the surface of a clue.
I was thinking of a pedant who dressed himself in a price tag and then left ..... :)
Now that&#039;s incomprehensible!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t make a fool of me, boys!<br />
I am just a Bl*&amp;^% Foreigner who likes crosswords, but sometimes doesn&#8217;t understand the surface of a clue.<br />
I was thinking of a pedant who dressed himself in a price tag and then left &#8230;.. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Now that&#8217;s incomprehensible!!</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi PaulB

The two relate to different elements in the clue. Broken thong relates to the fact that the word for removal is in broken form. Fancy is the anagram indicator for the rest.

Thanks for your gratuitous delphic comment re 15d. :) Now that is something incomprehensible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PaulB</p>
<p>The two relate to different elements in the clue. Broken thong relates to the fact that the word for removal is in broken form. Fancy is the anagram indicator for the rest.</p>
<p>Thanks for your gratuitous delphic comment re 15d. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Now that is something incomprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are allowed to find &#039;broken&#039; not redundant. It&#039;s not illegal to have two anag-inds where one will do.

Re 15, I think you should have gone with the sticker/ stickler continuum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are allowed to find &#8216;broken&#8217; not redundant. It&#8217;s not illegal to have two anag-inds where one will do.</p>
<p>Re 15, I think you should have gone with the sticker/ stickler continuum.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As noted @10 I did not find &#039;broken&#039; redundant. It describes the fact that the letters of thong (rather than thong itself) are strewn (broken up) about the phrase from which they are to be extracted.

Re the surface of 15d, the scenario of the surface is perhaps not one that springs immediately to mind, but the idea of someone who prides themselves on getting things right mistakenly leaving a price tag or sticker in, say, a book or other (wrapped) present is scarcely incomprehensible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted @10 I did not find &#8216;broken&#8217; redundant. It describes the fact that the letters of thong (rather than thong itself) are strewn (broken up) about the phrase from which they are to be extracted.</p>
<p>Re the surface of 15d, the scenario of the surface is perhaps not one that springs immediately to mind, but the idea of someone who prides themselves on getting things right mistakenly leaving a price tag or sticker in, say, a book or other (wrapped) present is scarcely incomprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Corinthia(n), I have no idea what BEAT MUSIC is. &#039;The Mersey Beat&#039; was what &#039;came out of Merseyside&#039; IIRC, though as I wasn&#039;t around at the time I can&#039;t confirm that for you.

Re 7D, I was in the pub tonight where a friend said to me, &quot;I&#039;ve just got one left to do, can you help?&quot;.

TTFN!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Corinthia(n), I have no idea what BEAT MUSIC is. &#8216;The Mersey Beat&#8217; was what &#8216;came out of Merseyside&#8217; IIRC, though as I wasn&#8217;t around at the time I can&#8217;t confirm that for you.</p>
<p>Re 7D, I was in the pub tonight where a friend said to me, &#8220;I&#8217;ve just got one left to do, can you help?&#8221;.</p>
<p>TTFN!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re not going to start another discussion on subtraction anagrams ( :)), but Paul B&#039;s 100% right. Leaving out &#039;broken&#039; would even have been better for the surface, we thought.

The (very) good thing about Philistine is that he clearly wants every single clue to be a winner. Thoughtfulness in optima forma.
But there was some sloppiness, in our opinion.
PeterO (thanks for your blog), I appreciate your explanantion of &#039;leaving us&#039; in 2d, but we called it &#039;clumsy&#039; (perhaps even wrong).
And &#039;reversal of&#039; for FO is not what I would like to do. After all, it&#039;s a reversal OF OF.
Where others found &quot;Spikes on shoes&quot; a highlight, we found it rather weak. Apparently, it has been done before (see @4), but that can be a coincidence. What we didn&#039;t like is that LACES are &#039;something&#039; on shoes, not just &#039;on shoes&#039;.
In the same category we have TRACHEA (18d), defined as &quot;in the neck&quot;. Not precise enough to my/our taste.

Apart from all this (and the, sorry, unforgivable double use of ACHE - oh, and the incomprehensible surface of 15d) quite a good crossword.
On the easy side, but clearly a product of a setter for whom each clue matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not going to start another discussion on subtraction anagrams ( <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), but Paul B&#8217;s 100% right. Leaving out &#8216;broken&#8217; would even have been better for the surface, we thought.</p>
<p>The (very) good thing about Philistine is that he clearly wants every single clue to be a winner. Thoughtfulness in optima forma.<br />
But there was some sloppiness, in our opinion.<br />
PeterO (thanks for your blog), I appreciate your explanantion of &#8216;leaving us&#8217; in 2d, but we called it &#8216;clumsy&#8217; (perhaps even wrong).<br />
And &#8216;reversal of&#8217; for FO is not what I would like to do. After all, it&#8217;s a reversal OF OF.<br />
Where others found &#8220;Spikes on shoes&#8221; a highlight, we found it rather weak. Apparently, it has been done before (see @4), but that can be a coincidence. What we didn&#8217;t like is that LACES are &#8216;something&#8217; on shoes, not just &#8216;on shoes&#8217;.<br />
In the same category we have TRACHEA (18d), defined as &#8220;in the neck&#8221;. Not precise enough to my/our taste.</p>
<p>Apart from all this (and the, sorry, unforgivable double use of ACHE &#8211; oh, and the incomprehensible surface of 15d) quite a good crossword.<br />
On the easy side, but clearly a product of a setter for whom each clue matters.</p>
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