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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/10/05/guardian-25759-paul/#comment-207442</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi rhotician

:)food stains on my clothese seem to be my main risk when eating and talking at the same time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi rhotician</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> food stains on my clothese seem to be my main risk when eating and talking at the same time!</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, tupu. But it can be enjoyaable to discuss a meal with one&#039;s fellow diners, and indeed on occasion, with the chef. On the other hand, as in any discourse, there are risks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, tupu. But it can be enjoyaable to discuss a meal with one&#8217;s fellow diners, and indeed on occasion, with the chef. On the other hand, as in any discourse, there are risks.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/10/05/guardian-25759-paul/#comment-207403</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi rhotician

Courage = alcohol is also metonymy, I suspect. Metaphor as defined in such contexts is seen to be &#039;similar or opposite to&#039; as part of a semantic set. But there are times when either analysis is possible - fish and chips can be associated either as a &#039;just so&#039; British cultural choice or as opposites (land v. sea and vegetable v. animal). :) Or they can just be eaten and enjoyed without too much thought!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi rhotician</p>
<p>Courage = alcohol is also metonymy, I suspect. Metaphor as defined in such contexts is seen to be &#8216;similar or opposite to&#8217; as part of a semantic set. But there are times when either analysis is possible &#8211; fish and chips can be associated either as a &#8216;just so&#8217; British cultural choice or as opposites (land v. sea and vegetable v. animal). <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Or they can just be eaten and enjoyed without too much thought!</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the bottle so courageous?

&#039;The bottle&#039; means &#039;booze&#039;. (That&#039;s metonymy, that is.) &#039;Courage&#039; as in &#039;Dutch courage&#039; also means alcohol. (Is that a metaphor?) &#039;Bottle&#039; (without &#039;the&#039;) also means &#039;courage&#039;. So we have quite a nice surface.

&#039;Courageous&#039; is a simple definition of SPIRITED. By way of the (usually American) process of verbing nouns &#039;spirited&#039; can be taken to mean alcoholic, and booze is undoubtedly so.

But it doesn&#039;t quite work. The ? is disconnected from the cryptic definition. The usual meaning of spirit is distinct from wine, beer etc. And the metaphor is very sepecific to use with &#039;Dutch&#039;. Maybe some reconstruction and the introduction of &#039;gin&#039; would help but surely the surface would be poorer.

Now I need a metaphorical nightcap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the bottle so courageous?</p>
<p>&#8216;The bottle&#8217; means &#8216;booze&#8217;. (That&#8217;s metonymy, that is.) &#8216;Courage&#8217; as in &#8216;Dutch courage&#8217; also means alcohol. (Is that a metaphor?) &#8216;Bottle&#8217; (without &#8216;the&#8217;) also means &#8216;courage&#8217;. So we have quite a nice surface.</p>
<p>&#8216;Courageous&#8217; is a simple definition of SPIRITED. By way of the (usually American) process of verbing nouns &#8216;spirited&#8217; can be taken to mean alcoholic, and booze is undoubtedly so.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t quite work. The ? is disconnected from the cryptic definition. The usual meaning of spirit is distinct from wine, beer etc. And the metaphor is very sepecific to use with &#8216;Dutch&#8217;. Maybe some reconstruction and the introduction of &#8216;gin&#8217; would help but surely the surface would be poorer.</p>
<p>Now I need a metaphorical nightcap.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW @16: Is &#039;copy&#039; allowable as a definition for &#039;fake&#039;?

Chambers &quot;allows&quot; synonyms to have the same &quot;(usu very nearly the same)&quot; meaning. Also in Chambers I can go from &#039;fake&#039; to &#039;conterfeit&#039; to &#039;imitation&#039; to &#039;copy&#039;. So are &#039;fake&#039; and &#039;copy&#039; very nearly the same? Well, they&#039;re a lot nearer than some of the definitions the setters expect us to allow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW @16: Is &#8216;copy&#8217; allowable as a definition for &#8216;fake&#8217;?</p>
<p>Chambers &#8220;allows&#8221; synonyms to have the same &#8220;(usu very nearly the same)&#8221; meaning. Also in Chambers I can go from &#8216;fake&#8217; to &#8216;conterfeit&#8217; to &#8216;imitation&#8217; to &#8216;copy&#8217;. So are &#8216;fake&#8217; and &#8216;copy&#8217; very nearly the same? Well, they&#8217;re a lot nearer than some of the definitions the setters expect us to allow.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark @33

Re FOOTLIGHTS: I wasn&#039;t entirely comfortable with this clue: I thought it was just a fairly weak charade and I expressed my reservations about the second part of it. I provided the link to justify the &#039;theatre&#039;.
But I did like the connection with the theme!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark @33</p>
<p>Re FOOTLIGHTS: I wasn&#8217;t entirely comfortable with this clue: I thought it was just a fairly weak charade and I expressed my reservations about the second part of it. I provided the link to justify the &#8216;theatre&#8217;.<br />
But I did like the connection with the theme!</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (not that one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan (not that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First pass gave only LUSTRE, KNOTTY and LIKING.

From somewhere in the ether I fathomed THE HISTORY BOYS leading to BENNETT and A PRIVATE FUNCTION. 

Forced to Google the works I don&#039;t know and then almost a write in. Only held up by EGGHEAD

Sorry Paul but Dull.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First pass gave only LUSTRE, KNOTTY and LIKING.</p>
<p>From somewhere in the ether I fathomed THE HISTORY BOYS leading to BENNETT and A PRIVATE FUNCTION. </p>
<p>Forced to Google the works I don&#8217;t know and then almost a write in. Only held up by EGGHEAD</p>
<p>Sorry Paul but Dull.</p>
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		<title>By: mhl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the excellent post Eileen.  I didn&#039;t enjoy this as much as many of Paul&#039;s puzzles, but given how high his standard is, that still makes it a fun solve :)

One quibble that I had is with FOOTLIGHTS - they might be called a theatre group, I suppose, but the theatre is the ADC, not Footlights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent post Eileen.  I didn&#8217;t enjoy this as much as many of Paul&#8217;s puzzles, but given how high his standard is, that still makes it a fun solve <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One quibble that I had is with FOOTLIGHTS &#8211; they might be called a theatre group, I suppose, but the theatre is the ADC, not Footlights.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi tupu :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi tupu <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/10/05/guardian-25759-paul/#comment-207322</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi  Eileen

Thanks for that. You are quite right, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi  Eileen</p>
<p>Thanks for that. You are quite right, of course.</p>
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