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		<title>By: bertandjoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 13:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi JollySwagman

Chambers has twopence as pre-decimal and two pence as decimal currency. We remember calling it a tuppenny piece or tuppence but Chambers has them down as informal forms! We were never ones for formality even in those days obviously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JollySwagman</p>
<p>Chambers has twopence as pre-decimal and two pence as decimal currency. We remember calling it a tuppenny piece or tuppence but Chambers has them down as informal forms! We were never ones for formality even in those days obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: JollySwagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JollySwagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toughening up simplistic cluing with obscurity doesn&#039;t really make for a decent prizer. First disappointing puzzle in the Saturday Indy slot for a long time.

Twopence historic? Well I suppose pennies are too on that basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toughening up simplistic cluing with obscurity doesn&#8217;t really make for a decent prizer. First disappointing puzzle in the Saturday Indy slot for a long time.</p>
<p>Twopence historic? Well I suppose pennies are too on that basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 01:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The definition for that answer is based on information contained in Collins. I might have used Chambers, but opted out under a Government scheme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition for that answer is based on information contained in Collins. I might have used Chambers, but opted out under a Government scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: allan_c</title>
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		<dc:creator>allan_c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re 4a, we currently have a twopence – or at any rate two pence (no longer called &#039;new&#039;) – coin so why &#039;old&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 4a, we currently have a twopence – or at any rate two pence (no longer called &#8216;new&#8217;) – coin so why &#8216;old&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most kind jmac. 

I&#039;m a firm believer in not wasting time teaching dolphins to swim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most kind jmac. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer in not wasting time teaching dolphins to swim.</p>
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		<title>By: jmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed this tremendously. To my mind Tees always sets out to entertain, and his clues are always fair. I also appreciate the  way he doesn&#039;t dumb down and includes references as diverse as Linear B and Steinbeck. Helped with &quot;automatic&quot; by having solved a puzzle by that other very talented setter Neo recently which included &quot;Unmanned gun&quot; amongst the clues. Neither of these setters clues &quot;on automatic&quot; I hasten to add! Thanks to B&amp;J and Tees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this tremendously. To my mind Tees always sets out to entertain, and his clues are always fair. I also appreciate the  way he doesn&#8217;t dumb down and includes references as diverse as Linear B and Steinbeck. Helped with &#8220;automatic&#8221; by having solved a puzzle by that other very talented setter Neo recently which included &#8220;Unmanned gun&#8221; amongst the clues. Neither of these setters clues &#8220;on automatic&#8221; I hasten to add! Thanks to B&amp;J and Tees.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HI B &amp; J

Thanks. The original comes from Burns&#039;s poem &#039;To a Mouse&#039; (on turning up her nest with a plough). He writes &#039;The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley&#039;.

For the whole very charming poem see http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/668.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI B &amp; J</p>
<p>Thanks. The original comes from Burns&#8217;s poem &#8216;To a Mouse&#8217; (on turning up her nest with a plough). He writes &#8216;The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley&#8217;.</p>
<p>For the whole very charming poem see <a href="http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/668.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/668.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bertandjoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments - tupu, you are certainly not &#039;kibitzing&#039; as we asked specifically for help! 

We now see what we missed in 1ac. We have heard the relevant quote but as we are not Steinbeck fans it certainly passed us by.

Thanks also to Tees for pointing out the other meaning of &#039;mental&#039; that we missed. It was in our online Chambers which we did check but it was hidden right at the bottom of the page!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments &#8211; tupu, you are certainly not &#8216;kibitzing&#8217; as we asked specifically for help! </p>
<p>We now see what we missed in 1ac. We have heard the relevant quote but as we are not Steinbeck fans it certainly passed us by.</p>
<p>Thanks also to Tees for pointing out the other meaning of &#8216;mental&#8217; that we missed. It was in our online Chambers which we did check but it was hidden right at the bottom of the page!</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi B &amp; J and Tees

I&#039;ve just looked in on this one so apologies for kibbitzing..

Re 1a - as PaulB says &#039;dust off your Steinbeck&#039; - and of course your Robert Burns.

PaulB :) Hope this doesn&#039;t sound too motherly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi B &amp; J and Tees</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just looked in on this one so apologies for kibbitzing..</p>
<p>Re 1a &#8211; as PaulB says &#8216;dust off your Steinbeck&#8217; &#8211; and of course your Robert Burns.</p>
<p>PaulB <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hope this doesn&#8217;t sound too motherly!</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 08:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems there are always a couple I can&#039;t get in the Saturday puzzle, and this was no different, so thanks for this.  As it happened, I&#039;d thought of &quot;turnover&quot; for 23ac from the letters I had and &quot;Capote&quot; for 20dn from the word play, and the crossing letter checked out.  But I couldn&#039;t see the word play for the former nor the definition for the latter and didn&#039;t have the courage of my convictions and left them blank.

For some reason, I did remember Sharon Gless was Cagney even though I was not a fan of the show.  In fact, a few months ago I was descending an escalator on the London underground and saw posters for two separate plays in the West End, one starring Gless, and one starring Tyne Daly who played Lacey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems there are always a couple I can&#8217;t get in the Saturday puzzle, and this was no different, so thanks for this.  As it happened, I&#8217;d thought of &#8220;turnover&#8221; for 23ac from the letters I had and &#8220;Capote&#8221; for 20dn from the word play, and the crossing letter checked out.  But I couldn&#8217;t see the word play for the former nor the definition for the latter and didn&#8217;t have the courage of my convictions and left them blank.</p>
<p>For some reason, I did remember Sharon Gless was Cagney even though I was not a fan of the show.  In fact, a few months ago I was descending an escalator on the London underground and saw posters for two separate plays in the West End, one starring Gless, and one starring Tyne Daly who played Lacey.</p>
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