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		<title>By: brucew_aus</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/10/11/50056/#comment-209122</link>
		<dc:creator>brucew_aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Picaroon and Eileen
Just finished this one whilst sitting in a hospital with my daughter post op - what an excellent challenge and a whole lot of fun!

I started off on the wrong foot by confidently writing in COSTAR at 9 - which gave a heads up to the level of misdirection that was going to come. 

Thought that the TIGER was an absolute gem and chuckled for way too long!  Finished up with the excellent HEPCAT after wrestling with HEPTAD for ages - but the thought of a swinging group of seven with PT (physical training) left an arousal that was just too far right of risqué to fit in here!!!

Bravo Picaroon and look forward to your next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Picaroon and Eileen<br />
Just finished this one whilst sitting in a hospital with my daughter post op &#8211; what an excellent challenge and a whole lot of fun!</p>
<p>I started off on the wrong foot by confidently writing in COSTAR at 9 &#8211; which gave a heads up to the level of misdirection that was going to come. </p>
<p>Thought that the TIGER was an absolute gem and chuckled for way too long!  Finished up with the excellent HEPCAT after wrestling with HEPTAD for ages &#8211; but the thought of a swinging group of seven with PT (physical training) left an arousal that was just too far right of risqué to fit in here!!!</p>
<p>Bravo Picaroon and look forward to your next.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If &#039;leading part&#039; means &#039;the first letter of PART&#039; then so be it, but I prefer PLAYER&#039;S minus its leading part (P) and the apostrophe ignored (as seems to be customary in crossies).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8216;leading part&#8217; means &#8216;the first letter of PART&#8217; then so be it, but I prefer PLAYER&#8217;S minus its leading part (P) and the apostrophe ignored (as seems to be customary in crossies).</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PB @37

I did toss up between the two - I think either works. I thought someone might comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PB @37</p>
<p>I did toss up between the two &#8211; I think either works. I thought someone might comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eileen

Just dropping in out of curiosity, but does not 9ac parse more simply if you take &quot;leading part&quot; to mean the first letter of PLAYER&#039;S?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eileen</p>
<p>Just dropping in out of curiosity, but does not 9ac parse more simply if you take &#8220;leading part&#8221; to mean the first letter of PLAYER&#8217;S?</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Late to the game here (but more caught up than recently!), and I agree this was a smashing ride.

Much bafflement, but finally got rolling with a couple of easier clues, PHANTASM going in first.

BABE RUTH stayed in pencil because I kept trying to make iT end in &quot;remorse&quot; = RUH.  Left HAMMOCK in pencil over not seeing how &quot;flat out here&quot; was supposed to work; and GLORIANA because although I guessed it I didn&#039;t know the work.

Last in was 1,25, had to resort to OneLook with the checked letters, not a familiar phrase here in the US.

The &quot;up&quot; in 2,26 didn&#039;t bother me, since it is a &quot;down&quot; clue even though the second half ends up being an &quot;across&quot;.

A marvelous puzzle with many treats and delights along the way - so many clues of my favorite kind, where they take me ages to solve and then when I get them I end up thinking &quot;I bet RCW wrote that in four seconds, it was so obvious!&quot;

Thanks for the great blog, Eileen, and for the Thursday Prize puzzle - and dropping by, Picaroon!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the game here (but more caught up than recently!), and I agree this was a smashing ride.</p>
<p>Much bafflement, but finally got rolling with a couple of easier clues, PHANTASM going in first.</p>
<p>BABE RUTH stayed in pencil because I kept trying to make iT end in &#8220;remorse&#8221; = RUH.  Left HAMMOCK in pencil over not seeing how &#8220;flat out here&#8221; was supposed to work; and GLORIANA because although I guessed it I didn&#8217;t know the work.</p>
<p>Last in was 1,25, had to resort to OneLook with the checked letters, not a familiar phrase here in the US.</p>
<p>The &#8220;up&#8221; in 2,26 didn&#8217;t bother me, since it is a &#8220;down&#8221; clue even though the second half ends up being an &#8220;across&#8221;.</p>
<p>A marvelous puzzle with many treats and delights along the way &#8211; so many clues of my favorite kind, where they take me ages to solve and then when I get them I end up thinking &#8220;I bet RCW wrote that in four seconds, it was so obvious!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the great blog, Eileen, and for the Thursday Prize puzzle &#8211; and dropping by, Picaroon!</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (not that one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan (not that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great puzzle.

Everythng&#039;s been said. Last in was AGA SAGA as AGA KHAN was blocking my thought processes!!!

Still waiting for TARZAN but he never arrived!

Thanks to Eileen and Picaroon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great puzzle.</p>
<p>Everythng&#8217;s been said. Last in was AGA SAGA as AGA KHAN was blocking my thought processes!!!</p>
<p>Still waiting for TARZAN but he never arrived!</p>
<p>Thanks to Eileen and Picaroon</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote at the top of this &quot;what a pig&quot; meant in a semi jocular sense. Ta Eileen and Picaroon whoever you are,  I thought I found pirate references in Picaroon&#039;s previous but seem to have managed to fail to on this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote at the top of this &#8220;what a pig&#8221; meant in a semi jocular sense. Ta Eileen and Picaroon whoever you are,  I thought I found pirate references in Picaroon&#8217;s previous but seem to have managed to fail to on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: ClaireS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClaireS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the blog Eileen - there were a few I couldn&#039;t parse today - and to Picaroon for an excellent crossword, even if it was a bit beyond my capabilities.

Re - mixed reviews on the Guardian forum. Really? I counted two slight negatives and one of those was retracted later (bad night&#039;s sleep it seems). Other than that the crossword met with considerable approbation there too (it&#039;s where I usually post). So, yes I agree (Sil van den Hoek @32) unbelievable because patently untrue!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the blog Eileen &#8211; there were a few I couldn&#8217;t parse today &#8211; and to Picaroon for an excellent crossword, even if it was a bit beyond my capabilities.</p>
<p>Re &#8211; mixed reviews on the Guardian forum. Really? I counted two slight negatives and one of those was retracted later (bad night&#8217;s sleep it seems). Other than that the crossword met with considerable approbation there too (it&#8217;s where I usually post). So, yes I agree (Sil van den Hoek @32) unbelievable because patently untrue!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t like this crossword at all! :(
No, I am joking.
Everything&#039;s already been said - this is just a stunningly good puzzle. If there were a Guardian Crossword Book of the Year, this crossword would certainly be included.

There are always minor criticisms that can be made, but I keep them to myself today.

16d (GIANTESS) is a clue that makes clear why I think Picaroon has become a giant in Crosswordland himself.
There is the beautiful surface in which we have an ideal fodder/indicator combination (&quot;uncontrolled eating&quot;).
But there is also the misdirection of that word &quot;eating&quot; as it could be a container indicator: in this case, when looking [like I did] for a word for &quot;uncontrolled&quot; around SS.

Talking about misdirection, another example can be found in the superb 1,25: &quot;start of frolics&quot; isn&#039;t F.

There are quite a few clues in which one has to separate things that seem to belong together.
8ac: at/last
12ac: French resistance
20ac: silly/illusion
22ac: Trojan/horse

And how good is 2,26? Very good!

Poooom @ 13 says: &quot;Really enjoyed this puzzle – although some mixed reviews on the Guardian Forum&quot;.
Unbelievable.

Thanks Eileen for blogging such a wonderful puzzle.
You must have been a happy person today.
Yes, boys &amp; girls, I know, some will see this post as a bit OTT, but I can&#039;t help: Picaroon&#039;s style of cluing is really coming very close to my view on setting crosswords.

OK, I will stop now.
Didn&#039;t like this crossword at all! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t like this crossword at all! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
No, I am joking.<br />
Everything&#8217;s already been said &#8211; this is just a stunningly good puzzle. If there were a Guardian Crossword Book of the Year, this crossword would certainly be included.</p>
<p>There are always minor criticisms that can be made, but I keep them to myself today.</p>
<p>16d (GIANTESS) is a clue that makes clear why I think Picaroon has become a giant in Crosswordland himself.<br />
There is the beautiful surface in which we have an ideal fodder/indicator combination (&#8220;uncontrolled eating&#8221;).<br />
But there is also the misdirection of that word &#8220;eating&#8221; as it could be a container indicator: in this case, when looking [like I did] for a word for &#8220;uncontrolled&#8221; around SS.</p>
<p>Talking about misdirection, another example can be found in the superb 1,25: &#8220;start of frolics&#8221; isn&#8217;t F.</p>
<p>There are quite a few clues in which one has to separate things that seem to belong together.<br />
8ac: at/last<br />
12ac: French resistance<br />
20ac: silly/illusion<br />
22ac: Trojan/horse</p>
<p>And how good is 2,26? Very good!</p>
<p>Poooom @ 13 says: &#8220;Really enjoyed this puzzle – although some mixed reviews on the Guardian Forum&#8221;.<br />
Unbelievable.</p>
<p>Thanks Eileen for blogging such a wonderful puzzle.<br />
You must have been a happy person today.<br />
Yes, boys &amp; girls, I know, some will see this post as a bit OTT, but I can&#8217;t help: Picaroon&#8217;s style of cluing is really coming very close to my view on setting crosswords.</p>
<p>OK, I will stop now.<br />
Didn&#8217;t like this crossword at all! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks Eileen for a great blog and Picaroon for a lovely puzzle

I came to this fine puzzle late in the day and rather tired, but it eventually yielded up its many treasures. A great pleasure to have solved it despite at times feeling intellectuallyt challenged in both senses of the phrase. It has also been a pleasure to read the well-deserved bevy of approving comments. Given the varying qualities of prize puzzles, it can only be with reference to a Platonic ideal of one that it should be be said to be worthy of that status.  

Masses of great cluing amusingly exploiting the &#039;50 shades&#039; of swinging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Eileen for a great blog and Picaroon for a lovely puzzle</p>
<p>I came to this fine puzzle late in the day and rather tired, but it eventually yielded up its many treasures. A great pleasure to have solved it despite at times feeling intellectuallyt challenged in both senses of the phrase. It has also been a pleasure to read the well-deserved bevy of approving comments. Given the varying qualities of prize puzzles, it can only be with reference to a Platonic ideal of one that it should be be said to be worthy of that status.  </p>
<p>Masses of great cluing amusingly exploiting the &#8217;50 shades&#8217; of swinging.</p>
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