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		<title>By: allan_c</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/09/independent-8135-phi/#comment-214352</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The theme passed me by but, hey, what does it matter?  This was one of those crosswords which can be solved and enjoyed without any knowledge of a theme.

My only (very minor) quibble would be the use of basically the same word - &#039;gore/gory - in the wordplay of two clues (20ac and 5dn).

Thanks, Phi and B&amp;J.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theme passed me by but, hey, what does it matter?  This was one of those crosswords which can be solved and enjoyed without any knowledge of a theme.</p>
<p>My only (very minor) quibble would be the use of basically the same word &#8211; &#8216;gore/gory &#8211; in the wordplay of two clues (20ac and 5dn).</p>
<p>Thanks, Phi and B&amp;J.</p>
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		<title>By: Phi</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/09/independent-8135-phi/#comment-214350</link>
		<dc:creator>Phi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eventually aimed this one for the week of publication of Sacks&#039; new book on Hallucinations (which then seemed to sneak out early - certainly it was lurking on my e-reader a week ago; as always, it&#039;s very good).  He does have a reasonable selection of more-or-less common phrases in his titles.  

As it happened, I&#039;d decided to use him as a theme and gridded the puzzle, only to hear about the release of the new book on a date a couple of weeks or so in advance of my original plan.  So a bit of hasty promotion in the lists was called for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually aimed this one for the week of publication of Sacks&#8217; new book on Hallucinations (which then seemed to sneak out early &#8211; certainly it was lurking on my e-reader a week ago; as always, it&#8217;s very good).  He does have a reasonable selection of more-or-less common phrases in his titles.  </p>
<p>As it happened, I&#8217;d decided to use him as a theme and gridded the puzzle, only to hear about the release of the new book on a date a couple of weeks or so in advance of my original plan.  So a bit of hasty promotion in the lists was called for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/09/independent-8135-phi/#comment-214332</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks B&amp;J, and Phi for the puzzle.  The theme passed me by and doesn&#039;t mean a right lot to me now, but it&#039;s an added bonus for nina spotters, I suppose.  Fine all round puzzle with plenty of entertaining surfaces and clueing.

I&#039;m sure it&#039;s implicit in your explanation of SCOTER, but of course it&#039;s referring to cricket, where the SCORER would indeed record a &#039;duck&#039; when a batsman is out for nought.  &#039;Didn&#039;t trouble the scorers&#039; is cricket-speak for getting a duck, as I know from personal experience throughout my long and not very distinguished career.

And a welcome from me too to Ron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks B&amp;J, and Phi for the puzzle.  The theme passed me by and doesn&#8217;t mean a right lot to me now, but it&#8217;s an added bonus for nina spotters, I suppose.  Fine all round puzzle with plenty of entertaining surfaces and clueing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s implicit in your explanation of SCOTER, but of course it&#8217;s referring to cricket, where the SCORER would indeed record a &#8216;duck&#8217; when a batsman is out for nought.  &#8216;Didn&#8217;t trouble the scorers&#8217; is cricket-speak for getting a duck, as I know from personal experience throughout my long and not very distinguished career.</p>
<p>And a welcome from me too to Ron.</p>
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		<title>By: bertandjoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well spotted MaleficOpus!

We have now had time to look at Wikipedia. The name didn&#039;t ring a bell at first but then we realised we&#039;d seen the film based on his book - Awakenings and unsuccessfully tried to read &quot;The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat&#039;. There may be a further reference to him at 9d.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spotted MaleficOpus!</p>
<p>We have now had time to look at Wikipedia. The name didn&#8217;t ring a bell at first but then we realised we&#8217;d seen the film based on his book &#8211; Awakenings and unsuccessfully tried to read &#8220;The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat&#8217;. There may be a further reference to him at 9d.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertandjoyce</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/09/independent-8135-phi/#comment-214306</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to fifteensquared Ron and thanks for the comments.

When we started blogging we decided on a style which we hoped would suit an aspiring crossword solver. We feel that the only way to learn is through doing and we were so pleased to find this site some years ago to help us with those devious clues which we solved without really understanding why! 

We constantly spread the word amongst friends who say that they would like to know how to solve cryptics but don&#039;t know where to start. 

Hope to see more of your comments! If there are other lurkers out there please feel free to join in! We were lurkers for a long time before we took the plunge!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to fifteensquared Ron and thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>When we started blogging we decided on a style which we hoped would suit an aspiring crossword solver. We feel that the only way to learn is through doing and we were so pleased to find this site some years ago to help us with those devious clues which we solved without really understanding why! </p>
<p>We constantly spread the word amongst friends who say that they would like to know how to solve cryptics but don&#8217;t know where to start. </p>
<p>Hope to see more of your comments! If there are other lurkers out there please feel free to join in! We were lurkers for a long time before we took the plunge!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron247</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron247</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just want to say thanks for this great blog. I&#039;ve always been terrible at cryptic crosswords, usually only getting a handful (if that!) before giving up. I&#039;ve been using fifteensquared for the last couple of weeks to help me along, and although I&#039;m still a long way off completing a crossword on my own I&#039;m finding that I&#039;m getting more clues correct without help, and understanding the clues more even if I can&#039;t come up with the answer.

Keep it up guys!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to say thanks for this great blog. I&#8217;ve always been terrible at cryptic crosswords, usually only getting a handful (if that!) before giving up. I&#8217;ve been using fifteensquared for the last couple of weeks to help me along, and although I&#8217;m still a long way off completing a crossword on my own I&#8217;m finding that I&#8217;m getting more clues correct without help, and understanding the clues more even if I can&#8217;t come up with the answer.</p>
<p>Keep it up guys!</p>
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		<title>By: MaleficOpus</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaleficOpus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Phi and Bertandjoyce.

As usual from, a great crossword.

At first I thought there was a film theme (Footloose, Awakenings), but it seems to be an Oliver Sacks theme - Migraine, Awakening(s), A Leg To Stand On, Uncle Tungsten (thanks to Wikipedia).

On the theme of Wikipedia, the list of languages available on the left meant that Euskara as Basque was familiar to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phi and Bertandjoyce.</p>
<p>As usual from, a great crossword.</p>
<p>At first I thought there was a film theme (Footloose, Awakenings), but it seems to be an Oliver Sacks theme &#8211; Migraine, Awakening(s), A Leg To Stand On, Uncle Tungsten (thanks to Wikipedia).</p>
<p>On the theme of Wikipedia, the list of languages available on the left meant that Euskara as Basque was familiar to me.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[15d was filled in as a (luckily correct) guess and slew took a break and return to spot it, but otherwise fine friday fare from Phi.

Thanks B&amp;J and Phi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15d was filled in as a (luckily correct) guess and slew took a break and return to spot it, but otherwise fine friday fare from Phi.</p>
<p>Thanks B&amp;J and Phi.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarification of 1 re 15dn: I meant that there is no good reason that it took me a long time, not that there is no good reason for &quot;Continental grouping&quot; to represent EU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification of 1 re 15dn: I meant that there is no good reason that it took me a long time, not that there is no good reason for &#8220;Continental grouping&#8221; to represent EU.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Phi for a very enjoyable crossword and B&amp;J for the blog. Starting at the top, I thought we were straying into Cyclops territory at times - nothing wrong with that, of course.

22ac/8dn: To me, it is always undesirable if an answer crosses itself, although this may be forced on the setter by the requirements of grid construction. For this answer, we have to fill in 19 squares of the grid of which only 8 are checked by other answers, so on a strict interpretation we have 8/19 cross-checking - not as low as 2/5 but slightly lower than 3/7. Of course, the fact that a specific letter is repeated is some compensation, and in this case the enumeration is more than adequate extra help. I would be a lot less happy with an answer enumerated as (7, 13) in the same space. The clue itself is one of my favourite types, with idiomatic and literal meanings of the phrase, so overall the large positives of this clue hugely outweigh the tiny negative, and it is my favourite clue in the puzzle.

27ac: I read this as H = &quot;Opening of Haydn&#039;s&quot; (analogous to &quot;friend of Dorothy&#039;s&quot;).

15dn: It took me a long time to get the EU for &quot;Continental grouping&quot;. There is no good reason for this. Using the checked letters and the non-anagram parts leaves EUS-A-IAN. The K and the R then only go in one way, so I am completely happy with this way of cluing an obscure word. As I said in another place earlier this week, I think it is a positive here that the checking letters all come from straightforward clues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phi for a very enjoyable crossword and B&amp;J for the blog. Starting at the top, I thought we were straying into Cyclops territory at times &#8211; nothing wrong with that, of course.</p>
<p>22ac/8dn: To me, it is always undesirable if an answer crosses itself, although this may be forced on the setter by the requirements of grid construction. For this answer, we have to fill in 19 squares of the grid of which only 8 are checked by other answers, so on a strict interpretation we have 8/19 cross-checking &#8211; not as low as 2/5 but slightly lower than 3/7. Of course, the fact that a specific letter is repeated is some compensation, and in this case the enumeration is more than adequate extra help. I would be a lot less happy with an answer enumerated as (7, 13) in the same space. The clue itself is one of my favourite types, with idiomatic and literal meanings of the phrase, so overall the large positives of this clue hugely outweigh the tiny negative, and it is my favourite clue in the puzzle.</p>
<p>27ac: I read this as H = &#8220;Opening of Haydn&#8217;s&#8221; (analogous to &#8220;friend of Dorothy&#8217;s&#8221;).</p>
<p>15dn: It took me a long time to get the EU for &#8220;Continental grouping&#8221;. There is no good reason for this. Using the checked letters and the non-anagram parts leaves EUS-A-IAN. The K and the R then only go in one way, so I am completely happy with this way of cluing an obscure word. As I said in another place earlier this week, I think it is a positive here that the checking letters all come from straightforward clues.</p>
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