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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/27/guardian-258048-qaos/#comment-216456</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But we are discussing David Lynch whose work is the theme of this puzzle. How much more on-topic can you be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we are discussing David Lynch whose work is the theme of this puzzle. How much more on-topic can you be?</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (not that one)</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/27/guardian-258048-qaos/#comment-216404</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan (not that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There have been more than enough off topic comments in this post. Please desist from adding any more.&quot;

Boooo. Stop being such a spoilsport! ;-)

Or alternatively please apply the same logic to Schua&#039;s blogs. Ooooooooooooops!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There have been more than enough off topic comments in this post. Please desist from adding any more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Boooo. Stop being such a spoilsport! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or alternatively please apply the same logic to Schua&#8217;s blogs. Ooooooooooooops!</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/27/guardian-258048-qaos/#comment-216399</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gentlemen
There have been more than enough off topic comments in this post. Please desist from adding any more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen<br />
There have been more than enough off topic comments in this post. Please desist from adding any more.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/11/27/guardian-258048-qaos/#comment-216398</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Tinsel Town is full of unjustifiably inflated egos. It is also full of ostentatious flouting of wealth. None of this has any connection with a real world in which, for example, many have no access to clean water.&quot;
But surely that could apply to SOME novelists, musicians, singers, visual artists etc so why pick on screenwriters for extra venom?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tinsel Town is full of unjustifiably inflated egos. It is also full of ostentatious flouting of wealth. None of this has any connection with a real world in which, for example, many have no access to clean water.&#8221;<br />
But surely that could apply to SOME novelists, musicians, singers, visual artists etc so why pick on screenwriters for extra venom?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tinsel Town is full of unjustifiably inflated egos. It is also full of ostentatious flouting of wealth. None of this has any connection with a real world in which, for example, many have no access to clean water. That there are gullible people (fans) who get sucked into believing this fantasy world has some importance is just plain sad. So of course the denizens of the industry should have their tender parts kicked at every opportunity, they are, by their own actions, fair game.

I have seen quite a few films based on books and no matter how praiseworthy the adaption I have yet to see such which adds more than it loses. What is lost is usually the absolutely essential &quot;inner thoughts&quot; or &quot;situation analysis&quot; which are so difficult to include in a visual medium, especially when these are lenghty passages. What is also frequently lost is huge and significant chunks of the plot due to the time constraints. I can agree some stirling efforts have been made in the field of adaption, but better than the original? No way.

I suppose there may be a film somewhere based on a third rate book where almost any modification would be an improvement, but I haven&#039;t seen one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tinsel Town is full of unjustifiably inflated egos. It is also full of ostentatious flouting of wealth. None of this has any connection with a real world in which, for example, many have no access to clean water. That there are gullible people (fans) who get sucked into believing this fantasy world has some importance is just plain sad. So of course the denizens of the industry should have their tender parts kicked at every opportunity, they are, by their own actions, fair game.</p>
<p>I have seen quite a few films based on books and no matter how praiseworthy the adaption I have yet to see such which adds more than it loses. What is lost is usually the absolutely essential &#8220;inner thoughts&#8221; or &#8220;situation analysis&#8221; which are so difficult to include in a visual medium, especially when these are lenghty passages. What is also frequently lost is huge and significant chunks of the plot due to the time constraints. I can agree some stirling efforts have been made in the field of adaption, but better than the original? No way.</p>
<p>I suppose there may be a film somewhere based on a third rate book where almost any modification would be an improvement, but I haven&#8217;t seen one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! Thanks Matt - yes, very apt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Thanks Matt &#8211; yes, very apt.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seemed relevant...

http://xkcd.com/386/

We&#039;ve all been there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seemed relevant&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/386/</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all been there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you did say, several times and with bombastic force, is that writers of screenplays, when adapting the original works of others, are not doing anything creative.

#23: &quot;It ... is little more than sanctioned plagiarism. The artistic originality belongs only to original author.&quot;

#26: &quot;If these guys were that talented they would have original ideas themselves.&quot;

#37: &quot;It [The Wiki for the film version of Dune] starts out by saying Dune… written by David Lynch. It wasn’t.&quot;

#46: &quot;An adapter who added absolutely nothing, not a single new idea, to the original idea is not a writer.&quot;  (Well, actually, I agree with you on this one, but I find the premise to be at fault in this instance!)

The reason I have continued to engage with you on this subject long after there seemed to be any point is that I disagree heartily with you with regards to these assertions.  I apologise for using some aggressive language along the way (sorry Rowly) but I&#039;m afraid that your attitude has got my goat.  Basically, I don&#039;t see what gives you the right to completely write off works of fantastic vision, originality and creativity that &lt;i&gt;build&lt;/i&gt; on existing works.

I&#039;m just going to repeat something that I said above, highlighting where I intended the stress to be: &quot;many would argue that it is significantly more difficult to &lt;i&gt;successfully&lt;/i&gt; adapt an existing work (book, play, whatever) than to start from scratch.&quot;  To do so successfully requires immense skill, and yes, creative and original thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you did say, several times and with bombastic force, is that writers of screenplays, when adapting the original works of others, are not doing anything creative.</p>
<p>#23: &#8220;It &#8230; is little more than sanctioned plagiarism. The artistic originality belongs only to original author.&#8221;</p>
<p>#26: &#8220;If these guys were that talented they would have original ideas themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>#37: &#8220;It [The Wiki for the film version of Dune] starts out by saying Dune… written by David Lynch. It wasn’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>#46: &#8220;An adapter who added absolutely nothing, not a single new idea, to the original idea is not a writer.&#8221;  (Well, actually, I agree with you on this one, but I find the premise to be at fault in this instance!)</p>
<p>The reason I have continued to engage with you on this subject long after there seemed to be any point is that I disagree heartily with you with regards to these assertions.  I apologise for using some aggressive language along the way (sorry Rowly) but I&#8217;m afraid that your attitude has got my goat.  Basically, I don&#8217;t see what gives you the right to completely write off works of fantastic vision, originality and creativity that <i>build</i> on existing works.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just going to repeat something that I said above, highlighting where I intended the stress to be: &#8220;many would argue that it is significantly more difficult to <i>successfully</i> adapt an existing work (book, play, whatever) than to start from scratch.&#8221;  To do so successfully requires immense skill, and yes, creative and original thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You see, you are also missing my point. I repeat, I wasn&#039;t saying the adapter didn&#039;t do a good job. I have no problem with what you just said, because you qualified the statement by including the word screenplay.

The author of an original book is a primary writer. It&#039;s adapter is merely a secondary writer (if one must use writer which I prefer not to, regardless of what the person may have done elsewhere). Without the primary writer the secondary writer is out of a job. So listing the credits in a way which implies elevating the secondary writer into being of greater importance than the primary writer is a) wrong b) belittling to the primary writer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see, you are also missing my point. I repeat, I wasn&#8217;t saying the adapter didn&#8217;t do a good job. I have no problem with what you just said, because you qualified the statement by including the word screenplay.</p>
<p>The author of an original book is a primary writer. It&#8217;s adapter is merely a secondary writer (if one must use writer which I prefer not to, regardless of what the person may have done elsewhere). Without the primary writer the secondary writer is out of a job. So listing the credits in a way which implies elevating the secondary writer into being of greater importance than the primary writer is a) wrong b) belittling to the primary writer.</p>
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		<title>By: rowland</title>
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		<dc:creator>rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was trying to defend YOU Derek!

Cheers
Rowly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to defend YOU Derek!</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Rowly.</p>
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