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		<title>By: Rorschach</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/03/independent-8155-by-rorschach/#comment-216705</link>
		<dc:creator>Rorschach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 11:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and for posterity&#039;s sake:

6dn is a double definition with a reference to the movie Ray about the pianist (player) Ray Charles...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and for posterity&#8217;s sake:</p>
<p>6dn is a double definition with a reference to the movie Ray about the pianist (player) Ray Charles&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/03/independent-8155-by-rorschach/#comment-216696</link>
		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 09:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This one totally floored me.  Got maybe a dozen answers before giving up and reading a book instead.  Put it out of my mind so much that I forgot to check here last night and only remembered to look this morning.

Thought about &quot;abrade&quot; for 2dn but didn&#039;t think it meant &quot;shave&quot;.  Chambers says &quot;to wear down or of&quot; which doesn&#039;t suggest it to me, but as a beardie, what do I know of shaving?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one totally floored me.  Got maybe a dozen answers before giving up and reading a book instead.  Put it out of my mind so much that I forgot to check here last night and only remembered to look this morning.</p>
<p>Thought about &#8220;abrade&#8221; for 2dn but didn&#8217;t think it meant &#8220;shave&#8221;.  Chambers says &#8220;to wear down or of&#8221; which doesn&#8217;t suggest it to me, but as a beardie, what do I know of shaving?</p>
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		<title>By: Rorschach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rorschach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and K&#039;s Dad - loved your turn of phrase here:

&quot;Anyway, the broodmare is impregnated, so perhaps Rorschach’s next Indy puzzle will be themed on that. Not.&quot;

Quite right. The natural processes of the human reproduction system will get enough coverage in the papers without my nina-ing it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and K&#8217;s Dad &#8211; loved your turn of phrase here:</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyway, the broodmare is impregnated, so perhaps Rorschach’s next Indy puzzle will be themed on that. Not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite right. The natural processes of the human reproduction system will get enough coverage in the papers without my nina-ing it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rorschach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rorschach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the late arrival all. Many thanks for your kind words and NealH for a fantastic blog.

The criticism was all helpful and is taken on board!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the late arrival all. Many thanks for your kind words and NealH for a fantastic blog.</p>
<p>The criticism was all helpful and is taken on board!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/03/independent-8155-by-rorschach/#comment-216663</link>
		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently I wasn&#039;t the only one to get into it rather slowly.
But after I uncovered the SW, 25d gave me 4d, then 10ac - rolling the ball.

When I tackle a crossword I always read through the clues first.
Today all these references, music and films and Subway - unlike others I found them very inviting, almost thrilling.

I agree with NealH (thx) about 18/21 [but what a great idea - unfortunately, at the moment, I cannot think of a songstress that fits the clue better than CBR] and 17d (it&#039;s really The Edge).

But in 1ac Rorschach is so precise (telling us to split up Subway). As he is in 28ac using &#039;definitely&#039; to tell us not to use &#039;the&#039;. 
There are a lot of setters that are less conscientious, IMO.

And if we accept the &#039;Abba finish&#039; (for A) or &#039;Russian leader&#039; (for R), 26ac (LEVIS) should be seen as the &#039;starts&#039; (plural!) of Elvis being adjusted to get &#039;jeans&#039;. As one who accepts this, I am perfectly happy with the clue.

I didn&#039;t get 11ac (UNDER-SEXED) - never heard of the word, not in my vocabulary ( :) ). Also unhyphenated in Chambers and Oxford. Not the best clue today. 

Clear pluses for AFROS (9ac), STATUS (1d) [hidden in such a natural way] and 13d (TARANTELLA) [again, a device (hom ind) embedded in the surface in such a natural way].

And what about 3d (ABRADE)? Yes, simple clue, but sooo smooth!!

A few drawbacks couldn&#039;t prevent me from saying: &quot;this was an exciting puzzle&quot;.
For me, Rorschach has the X-factor.

A setter to treasure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently I wasn&#8217;t the only one to get into it rather slowly.<br />
But after I uncovered the SW, 25d gave me 4d, then 10ac &#8211; rolling the ball.</p>
<p>When I tackle a crossword I always read through the clues first.<br />
Today all these references, music and films and Subway &#8211; unlike others I found them very inviting, almost thrilling.</p>
<p>I agree with NealH (thx) about 18/21 [but what a great idea - unfortunately, at the moment, I cannot think of a songstress that fits the clue better than CBR] and 17d (it&#8217;s really The Edge).</p>
<p>But in 1ac Rorschach is so precise (telling us to split up Subway). As he is in 28ac using &#8216;definitely&#8217; to tell us not to use &#8216;the&#8217;.<br />
There are a lot of setters that are less conscientious, IMO.</p>
<p>And if we accept the &#8216;Abba finish&#8217; (for A) or &#8216;Russian leader&#8217; (for R), 26ac (LEVIS) should be seen as the &#8216;starts&#8217; (plural!) of Elvis being adjusted to get &#8216;jeans&#8217;. As one who accepts this, I am perfectly happy with the clue.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get 11ac (UNDER-SEXED) &#8211; never heard of the word, not in my vocabulary ( <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Also unhyphenated in Chambers and Oxford. Not the best clue today. </p>
<p>Clear pluses for AFROS (9ac), STATUS (1d) [hidden in such a natural way] and 13d (TARANTELLA) [again, a device (hom ind) embedded in the surface in such a natural way].</p>
<p>And what about 3d (ABRADE)? Yes, simple clue, but sooo smooth!!</p>
<p>A few drawbacks couldn&#8217;t prevent me from saying: &#8220;this was an exciting puzzle&#8221;.<br />
For me, Rorschach has the X-factor.</p>
<p>A setter to treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another great puzzle from Rorschach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great puzzle from Rorschach.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great puzzle with fresh, original clues. Pop culture references not a problem for a young (at heart) person like myself.

Agree about BOOBY TRAP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great puzzle with fresh, original clues. Pop culture references not a problem for a young (at heart) person like myself.</p>
<p>Agree about BOOBY TRAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pelham Barton and K&#039;s D 

The order of the phrase &#039;starts to adjust jeans&#039; for me rules out applying the adjustment to LEVIS. I dislike these ambiguous reversals, etc, as much as anyone and usually comment on them but, as I said, I just didn&#039;t see one here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelham Barton and K&#8217;s D </p>
<p>The order of the phrase &#8216;starts to adjust jeans&#8217; for me rules out applying the adjustment to LEVIS. I dislike these ambiguous reversals, etc, as much as anyone and usually comment on them but, as I said, I just didn&#8217;t see one here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad Pelham has raised the ELVIS/LEVIS debate, because I put The King in as my answer and had to revise it later when I realised it wouldn&#039;t fit.  For me, the clue works either way; maybe that&#039;s just the way my brain works, because when this has come up before, other contributors generally haven&#039;t seemed bothered.

Anyway, the broodmare is impregnated, so perhaps Rorschach&#039;s next Indy puzzle will be themed on that.  Not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Pelham has raised the ELVIS/LEVIS debate, because I put The King in as my answer and had to revise it later when I realised it wouldn&#8217;t fit.  For me, the clue works either way; maybe that&#8217;s just the way my brain works, because when this has come up before, other contributors generally haven&#8217;t seemed bothered.</p>
<p>Anyway, the broodmare is impregnated, so perhaps Rorschach&#8217;s next Indy puzzle will be themed on that.  Not.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eileen @10 re 26dn:

While it is more natural to take the modifier &quot;starts to adjust&quot; as applied to &quot;Rock star&quot; rather than &quot;jeans&quot;, it is possible within the conventions of cryptic crosswords that it could apply the other way round. Compare with 8dn. The natural reading of this is to apply the modifier &quot;strung-up&quot; to &quot;sergeant&quot;, but in fact it applies to &quot;half dead&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen @10 re 26dn:</p>
<p>While it is more natural to take the modifier &#8220;starts to adjust&#8221; as applied to &#8220;Rock star&#8221; rather than &#8220;jeans&#8221;, it is possible within the conventions of cryptic crosswords that it could apply the other way round. Compare with 8dn. The natural reading of this is to apply the modifier &#8220;strung-up&#8221; to &#8220;sergeant&#8221;, but in fact it applies to &#8220;half dead&#8221;.</p>
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