Comments on: Independent no. 8161 by Quixote

By: Genevieve Crisp

Genevieve Crisp — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:28:18 +0000

Abbreviation for ‘therefore’ in maths is three dots in triangle formation, two at bottom and one at top.

By: Bertandjoyce

Bertandjoyce — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:04:07 +0000

Thanks flashling.

We had INVADER pencilled in for 10ac without being able to parse it so 5d became imposible to sort out.

Thanks to The Don for a good start to the week!

By: Pelham Barton

Pelham Barton — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:53:52 +0000

Thanks Quixote for an enjoyable puzzle and flashling for the blog. I must add my name to the list of mathematicians who failed to parse 3dn.

21ac: As others have noted, Dac used T in BELLOWER = BELL TOWER last week. It should be noted that the indications for T and BELLOWER were different, as well as the definition.

By: NealH

NealH — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:48:19 +0000

I finished the right side of this very quickly but found the left side a little harder. If I recall correctly, the other bell tower clue was identical to this one but clued as “campanile” – at least this one was a bit fairer for the people who don’t know what a campanile is.

By: flashling

flashling — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:40:52 +0000

Bell(t)ower appeared in DAC’s puzzle last week.

By: hounddog

hounddog — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:30:43 +0000

You’re not the only one, flashling. My excuse is that I haven’t written out a proof in about 30 years.

Re 21ac, allan_c, I had that deja vu feeling as well.

By: allan_c

allan_c — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:19:52 +0000

Nice one again from the Don, suitably gentle for a Monday. Completed in two passes, and easily parsed as well, though I only saw 3dn after writing it in.

16dn presumably refers to George Harrison (1943-2001) of the Beatles – see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Harrison

21ac seemed familiar; I think the device of inserting T into ‘Bellower’ was used elsewhere recently, although clued differently.

Thanks, Quixote and flashling

By: flashling

flashling — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:50:29 +0000

Ahhh, and me with a degree in maths too, hangs head in shame

By: Gaufrid

Gaufrid — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:48:01 +0000

Thanks flashling
3dn is a def. (so that) plus a cryptic def. In maths, three dots in the form of a triangle mean ‘therefore’. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therefore_sign