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	<description>Never knowingly undersolved.</description>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/11/guardian-25816-by-brendan/#comment-217315</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take as long as you want, flash, I am rarely up before 9.30 am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take as long as you want, flash, I am rarely up before 9.30 am.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I&#039;ll say is I get 25 mins to solve, 30 or so to write it up, I&#039;ll miss stuff - it&#039;s your chance to shine. Flash]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;ll say is I get 25 mins to solve, 30 or so to write it up, I&#8217;ll miss stuff &#8211; it&#8217;s your chance to shine. Flash</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/11/guardian-25816-by-brendan/#comment-217308</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re @39 Why type all that here when, as also confirmed by that Wiki entry, there is no reliable evidence to support the claim. I&#039;m confused now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re @39 Why type all that here when, as also confirmed by that Wiki entry, there is no reliable evidence to support the claim. I&#8217;m confused now.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (that one)</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/11/guardian-25816-by-brendan/#comment-217307</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan (that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... and again.

For 12 across, at Rugby (school), there is inscribed in stone (see Wikpedia entry on William Webb Ellis) the following:

THIS STONE
COMMEMORATES THE EXPLOIT OF
WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS
WHO WITH A FINE DISREGARD FOR THE RULES OF FOOTBALL
AS PLAYED IN HIS TIME
FIRST TOOK THE BALL IN HIS ARMS AND RAN WITH IT
THUS ORIGINATING THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF
THE RUGBY GAME
A.D. 1823]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and again.</p>
<p>For 12 across, at Rugby (school), there is inscribed in stone (see Wikpedia entry on William Webb Ellis) the following:</p>
<p>THIS STONE<br />
COMMEMORATES THE EXPLOIT OF<br />
WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS<br />
WHO WITH A FINE DISREGARD FOR THE RULES OF FOOTBALL<br />
AS PLAYED IN HIS TIME<br />
FIRST TOOK THE BALL IN HIS ARMS AND RAN WITH IT<br />
THUS ORIGINATING THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF<br />
THE RUGBY GAME<br />
A.D. 1823</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (that one)</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/11/guardian-25816-by-brendan/#comment-217306</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan (that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Me again.

In 17 across, &quot;in a way&quot; is appropriate since something could be charged in various ways. In 3D, &quot;say&quot; is appropriate since things other than information may be fished for. In both cases, crossword cliches are suggested -- S***T and homophone.  I&#039;m not sure when it became wrong in a cryptic crossword to (a) make a definition precise, (b) offer ambiguity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me again.</p>
<p>In 17 across, &#8220;in a way&#8221; is appropriate since something could be charged in various ways. In 3D, &#8220;say&#8221; is appropriate since things other than information may be fished for. In both cases, crossword cliches are suggested &#8212; S***T and homophone.  I&#8217;m not sure when it became wrong in a cryptic crossword to (a) make a definition precise, (b) offer ambiguity.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan (that one)</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/11/guardian-25816-by-brendan/#comment-217296</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan (that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My new copy of Chambers defines &quot;fish&quot; as &quot;to seek information, compliments etc. by indirect means&quot;. So &quot;say&quot; indicates that it&#039;s not only information that can be fished (for). My old copy of Chambers has one of those Chambers jokes: &quot; to catch or try to catch or obtain fish, or anything that may be likened to a fish (such as seals, sponges, coral, compliments, information or husbands&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My new copy of Chambers defines &#8220;fish&#8221; as &#8220;to seek information, compliments etc. by indirect means&#8221;. So &#8220;say&#8221; indicates that it&#8217;s not only information that can be fished (for). My old copy of Chambers has one of those Chambers jokes: &#8221; to catch or try to catch or obtain fish, or anything that may be likened to a fish (such as seals, sponges, coral, compliments, information or husbands&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rho is Betty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rho is Betty.</p>
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		<title>By: rhotician</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhotician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RC, I have no right to expect anything of you. I&#039;m pleased you don&#039;t use IMO (or worse).

&quot;I cannot rate a clue highly if it fails to puzzle me&quot; is less pompous. And quicker to type.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC, I have no right to expect anything of you. I&#8217;m pleased you don&#8217;t use IMO (or worse).</p>
<p>&#8220;I cannot rate a clue highly if it fails to puzzle me&#8221; is less pompous. And quicker to type.</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But the rho for rhotician abbreviation is OK RCW iyho?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the rho for rhotician abbreviation is OK RCW iyho?</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/12/11/guardian-25816-by-brendan/#comment-217187</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rho 
Surely you do not expect me to use that utterly pointless abbreviation IMO (or worse IMHO).
Whose else could it possibly be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rho<br />
Surely you do not expect me to use that utterly pointless abbreviation IMO (or worse IMHO).<br />
Whose else could it possibly be?</p>
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