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	<title>Comments on: Financial Times 14,189 &#8211; Crux</title>
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		<title>By: Musca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Musca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much belated comments on this puzzle.
First, the only change needed in 1 ac. is to leave the final &#039;S&#039; off Prisoners!
21d Death, personified, is always portrayed carrying a scythe; it&#039;s his &#039;instrument&#039; i.e. &quot;tool&#039;, as it were. Crux carefully indicates the idea with a capital &#039;D&#039; for Death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much belated comments on this puzzle.<br />
First, the only change needed in 1 ac. is to leave the final &#8216;S&#8217; off Prisoners!<br />
21d Death, personified, is always portrayed carrying a scythe; it&#8217;s his &#8216;instrument&#8217; i.e. &#8220;tool&#8217;, as it were. Crux carefully indicates the idea with a capital &#8216;D&#8217; for Death.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, please (John and perhaps others), forget about what I said re &#039;tangled&#039; @5. There is of course no anagram going on - looks like I wrote something using the automatic pilot. Having said that, I do think &#039;tangled&#039; is a valid indicator here. One of the meanings of &#039;to tangle&#039; is &#039;to entangle&#039; which can mean &#039;to ensnare&#039;. For me, an OK container indicator. Moreover Chambers gives as definition no 3: &#039;to trap&#039; (informal).

And now, let&#039;s see whether my autmatic pilot can deal with a basic calculation .... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, please (John and perhaps others), forget about what I said re &#8216;tangled&#8217; @5. There is of course no anagram going on &#8211; looks like I wrote something using the automatic pilot. Having said that, I do think &#8216;tangled&#8217; is a valid indicator here. One of the meanings of &#8216;to tangle&#8217; is &#8216;to entangle&#8217; which can mean &#8216;to ensnare&#8217;. For me, an OK container indicator. Moreover Chambers gives as definition no 3: &#8216;to trap&#8217; (informal).</p>
<p>And now, let&#8217;s see whether my autmatic pilot can deal with a basic calculation &#8230;. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 20d, SAW is a noun (meaning &quot;a saying&quot;). Chambers gives us as the second definition &quot;A proverb&quot; as does the Oxford Dictionary of English. I think that &#039;tangled&#039; is OK as an anagram indicator. It can be similar to words like entangled, knotted, twisted, confused, mixed up, complex (to cite dicitonaries and the Chambers Thesuarus).

And John, I have already posted the blog for 14,195 which wasn&#039;t that bad after all but only because ..... :)

All the best for 2013.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 20d, SAW is a noun (meaning &#8220;a saying&#8221;). Chambers gives us as the second definition &#8220;A proverb&#8221; as does the Oxford Dictionary of English. I think that &#8216;tangled&#8217; is OK as an anagram indicator. It can be similar to words like entangled, knotted, twisted, confused, mixed up, complex (to cite dicitonaries and the Chambers Thesuarus).</p>
<p>And John, I have already posted the blog for 14,195 which wasn&#8217;t that bad after all but only because &#8230;.. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All the best for 2013.</p>
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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 06:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks for this Sil.   I failed to get 14A which is very bad because I have life insurance with a company called Friend&#039;s Provident which used to be a Quaker company.  Could you explain 20D to me a bit more.  PROVERB was the only answer which fitted my letters but I didn&#039;t see ROVER, and I still can&#039;t see why &quot;saw&quot; = &quot;proverb&quot;.   I would quibble about &quot;tangled&quot;.  Rover is in fact untangled.

I agree with you about 1D.   I kept thinking there must be something else, like the Chance cards in Monopoly.  Wondered whether there is a game called Fortune with the same cards.

I loved 1A.  And related it to others.   But then when I was doing that one time I suddently realised that the clue is faulty.  Seeing the answer requires &quot;prisoners&quot; to be the word and not the people, the verb should be third person singular.  i.e. &quot;needs&quot;.   Crux should have written &quot;Needed by prisoners when starting sentence.&quot;

I had the same thought as Bamberger when I saw 14194 and 14195.  After Gozo&#039;s very faulty Bastille day puzzle I decided immediately that I wasn&#039;t going to try.  Felt the same way about 14195 and emailed to Pete &quot;oh no! Dante is at it now&quot;.  But with nothing else offering I started to have a go and it turned out to be fairly gentle.   There is an oversight on the page which dissapointingly no doubt for Dante kept grabbing one&#039;s attention.

Happy New year to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for this Sil.   I failed to get 14A which is very bad because I have life insurance with a company called Friend&#8217;s Provident which used to be a Quaker company.  Could you explain 20D to me a bit more.  PROVERB was the only answer which fitted my letters but I didn&#8217;t see ROVER, and I still can&#8217;t see why &#8220;saw&#8221; = &#8220;proverb&#8221;.   I would quibble about &#8220;tangled&#8221;.  Rover is in fact untangled.</p>
<p>I agree with you about 1D.   I kept thinking there must be something else, like the Chance cards in Monopoly.  Wondered whether there is a game called Fortune with the same cards.</p>
<p>I loved 1A.  And related it to others.   But then when I was doing that one time I suddently realised that the clue is faulty.  Seeing the answer requires &#8220;prisoners&#8221; to be the word and not the people, the verb should be third person singular.  i.e. &#8220;needs&#8221;.   Crux should have written &#8220;Needed by prisoners when starting sentence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had the same thought as Bamberger when I saw 14194 and 14195.  After Gozo&#8217;s very faulty Bastille day puzzle I decided immediately that I wasn&#8217;t going to try.  Felt the same way about 14195 and emailed to Pete &#8220;oh no! Dante is at it now&#8221;.  But with nothing else offering I started to have a go and it turned out to be fairly gentle.   There is an oversight on the page which dissapointingly no doubt for Dante kept grabbing one&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>Happy New year to you!</p>
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		<title>By: fearsome</title>
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		<dc:creator>fearsome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 04:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks Crux and Sil
I struggled to get Fiends to finish this crossword, and was unsure of chance but what else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Crux and Sil<br />
I struggled to get Fiends to finish this crossword, and was unsure of chance but what else?</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting thought about what &#039;hidden&#039; means or perhaps should mean, Bamberger.
I can&#039;t remember having come across a thing like 1d before.
Maybe, we should read &quot;Chancellor&#039;s fortune&quot; as &quot;Fortune from Chancellor&quot;, then taking just a part of that word.

&quot;I took a look and thought no way&quot;?
Well, that&#039;s what I would have thought if I weren&#039;t to blog this &#039;puzzle&#039; (14195). Lucky me .....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thought about what &#8216;hidden&#8217; means or perhaps should mean, Bamberger.<br />
I can&#8217;t remember having come across a thing like 1d before.<br />
Maybe, we should read &#8220;Chancellor&#8217;s fortune&#8221; as &#8220;Fortune from Chancellor&#8221;, then taking just a part of that word.</p>
<p>&#8220;I took a look and thought no way&#8221;?<br />
Well, that&#8217;s what I would have thought if I weren&#8217;t to blog this &#8216;puzzle&#8217; (14195). Lucky me &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bamberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bamberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t get 1d.I thought a hidden word had to be embedded in the clue and not at the start.
Also didn&#039;t get 2d &amp; 12a though looking at the answers I don&#039;t know why.
Thanks for the blog over the year and good luck to all  with 14195 (and 14194). I took one look and thought no way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t get 1d.I thought a hidden word had to be embedded in the clue and not at the start.<br />
Also didn&#8217;t get 2d &amp; 12a though looking at the answers I don&#8217;t know why.<br />
Thanks for the blog over the year and good luck to all  with 14195 (and 14194). I took one look and thought no way.</p>
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