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	<title>Comments on: Independent 8211 / Tyrus</title>
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		<title>By: Tramp</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2013/02/07/independent-8211-tyrus/#comment-220274</link>
		<dc:creator>Tramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 07:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great blog and another super puzzle by Tyrus. I also thought it very hard for a Thursday. My favourite clues are 2d and 16d (they appeal to my sense of humour!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog and another super puzzle by Tyrus. I also thought it very hard for a Thursday. My favourite clues are 2d and 16d (they appeal to my sense of humour!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dormouse</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2013/02/07/independent-8211-tyrus/#comment-220267</link>
		<dc:creator>Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 00:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, yesterday&#039;s I thought was hard.  I attempted it on a train coming back from a funeral and had a starting migraine, so I thought I did well to get about half of it.

Today, feeling considerably better and with much more time to dedicate to the crossword I managed to get just one answer - 20dn, although I more or less guessed 4dn but didn&#039;t have the courage to actually enter it into the grid.

Not my best day for crossword solving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yesterday&#8217;s I thought was hard.  I attempted it on a train coming back from a funeral and had a starting migraine, so I thought I did well to get about half of it.</p>
<p>Today, feeling considerably better and with much more time to dedicate to the crossword I managed to get just one answer &#8211; 20dn, although I more or less guessed 4dn but didn&#8217;t have the courage to actually enter it into the grid.</p>
<p>Not my best day for crossword solving.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertandjoyce</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2013/02/07/independent-8211-tyrus/#comment-220262</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertandjoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for dropping by Tyrus. We did wonder about Row A as the front row.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for dropping by Tyrus. We did wonder about Row A as the front row.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrus</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2013/02/07/independent-8211-tyrus/#comment-220261</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks to B&amp;J for their excellent blog and to others for their comments.

As indicated, the phrase at 16dn is at the cutting edge of contemporary urban slang rather as 1D are on the modern music scene, (I think). And yes, K&#039;s D, I&#039;m afraid I do know all their names! Slight correction to the parsing here - Row A refers to the seats in the front row.

Congratulations on the blogging anniversary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks to B&amp;J for their excellent blog and to others for their comments.</p>
<p>As indicated, the phrase at 16dn is at the cutting edge of contemporary urban slang rather as 1D are on the modern music scene, (I think). And yes, K&#8217;s D, I&#8217;m afraid I do know all their names! Slight correction to the parsing here &#8211; Row A refers to the seats in the front row.</p>
<p>Congratulations on the blogging anniversary.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indirect is indirect, but I don&#039;t mind the &#039;cycling&#039; idea. Maybe &#039;recycled&#039; isn&#039;t quite right for that motion though!! As for MAw, well, hard but again, it&#039;s accepted I think, at least here and in the Groan-iad.

Cheers
Rowly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indirect is indirect, but I don&#8217;t mind the &#8216;cycling&#8217; idea. Maybe &#8216;recycled&#8217; isn&#8217;t quite right for that motion though!! As for MAw, well, hard but again, it&#8217;s accepted I think, at least here and in the Groan-iad.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Rowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Tyrus for an entertaining puzzle and B&amp;J for the blog. I finished in the SE corner, where seeing how 24ac worked made it easy to spot the similar device in 22dn.

17ac: I really think the solver is being asked to do too much here for a weekday non-prize cryptic. The length of the answer and the enumeration go some way to compensating, but I would hate to see this sort of thing catch on and be used in clues for shorter answers.

18ac: I would like to see the word &quot;special&quot; (or something similar) inserted before &quot;key&quot;. The problem with allowing &quot;key&quot; to clue ESC is that by the same logic, &quot;key&quot; could clue any single letter of the alphabet.

2dn: An excellent double definition - two really different meanings of the answer.

6dn: This seems fair to me. There is a big difference in degree of difficulty between finding a synonym and making a cyclic shift (as explained by Thomas @1) and having to make a full anagram of a synonym.

8dn: I would class this as an indirect anagram, but of the benign type and a perfectly fair and good clue. If you take the view that indirect anagrams are necessarily wrong, then you need a different name for this type of device.

14dn: Eileen @5 has perfectly expressed my reaction to this clue.

flashling @4: A heptarch is one of a group of seven rulers, so the singular definition is correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tyrus for an entertaining puzzle and B&amp;J for the blog. I finished in the SE corner, where seeing how 24ac worked made it easy to spot the similar device in 22dn.</p>
<p>17ac: I really think the solver is being asked to do too much here for a weekday non-prize cryptic. The length of the answer and the enumeration go some way to compensating, but I would hate to see this sort of thing catch on and be used in clues for shorter answers.</p>
<p>18ac: I would like to see the word &#8220;special&#8221; (or something similar) inserted before &#8220;key&#8221;. The problem with allowing &#8220;key&#8221; to clue ESC is that by the same logic, &#8220;key&#8221; could clue any single letter of the alphabet.</p>
<p>2dn: An excellent double definition &#8211; two really different meanings of the answer.</p>
<p>6dn: This seems fair to me. There is a big difference in degree of difficulty between finding a synonym and making a cyclic shift (as explained by Thomas @1) and having to make a full anagram of a synonym.</p>
<p>8dn: I would class this as an indirect anagram, but of the benign type and a perfectly fair and good clue. If you take the view that indirect anagrams are necessarily wrong, then you need a different name for this type of device.</p>
<p>14dn: Eileen @5 has perfectly expressed my reaction to this clue.</p>
<p>flashling @4: A heptarch is one of a group of seven rulers, so the singular definition is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertandjoyce</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the helpful comments and congratulations! Can honestly say that we have really enjoyed our first year - it really has added another dimension to our crossword enjoyment. So thanks to K&#039;s D for &#039;un-lurking&#039; us in the first place, flashling for passing the baton and Gaufrid for accepting us onto the team and for all the help he has given us over the last year.

Joyce takes full responsibility for any errors as Bert has been busy working recently and has not had time to check the blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the helpful comments and congratulations! Can honestly say that we have really enjoyed our first year &#8211; it really has added another dimension to our crossword enjoyment. So thanks to K&#8217;s D for &#8216;un-lurking&#8217; us in the first place, flashling for passing the baton and Gaufrid for accepting us onto the team and for all the help he has given us over the last year.</p>
<p>Joyce takes full responsibility for any errors as Bert has been busy working recently and has not had time to check the blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks B and J  and congratulations - on both your anniversary and the great blog.

I agree with practically every word of K&#039;s D&#039;s comment.

This was a tough work-out and easily worthy of the Prize slot - great fun, though. 

I think it&#039;s perhaps not only overseas solvers who might have problems with TOWCESTER!

In 8dn, &#039;replay&#039; is surely needed as the anagrind? - or I may have misunderstood your comment.

I couldn&#039;t have parsed CUTTHROAT without your help: I have no objection to that kind of clue - in fact, it&#039;s one of my favourite types.

Many thanks, Tyrus, for a most entertaining exercise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks B and J  and congratulations &#8211; on both your anniversary and the great blog.</p>
<p>I agree with practically every word of K&#8217;s D&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p>This was a tough work-out and easily worthy of the Prize slot &#8211; great fun, though. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s perhaps not only overseas solvers who might have problems with TOWCESTER!</p>
<p>In 8dn, &#8216;replay&#8217; is surely needed as the anagrind? &#8211; or I may have misunderstood your comment.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t have parsed CUTTHROAT without your help: I have no objection to that kind of clue &#8211; in fact, it&#8217;s one of my favourite types.</p>
<p>Many thanks, Tyrus, for a most entertaining exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Estop beat me today, is a heptarch ruler or rulers since there are 7 of them? Number two was rather good.
Congrats to B&amp;J on their full year after agreeing to replace me, they do a much better job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estop beat me today, is a heptarch ruler or rulers since there are 7 of them? Number two was rather good.<br />
Congrats to B&amp;J on their full year after agreeing to replace me, they do a much better job.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And sorry, I forgot to say happy anniversary to Bert and Joyce!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sorry, I forgot to say happy anniversary to Bert and Joyce!</p>
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