Independent 9506 / Nimrod

Well, what can we say? We really struggled to get started and wondered whether we would have to ‘phone a friend’ or admit defeat. In the end it was definitely one of those puzzles when two brains were better than one. Many of the clues, especially the pair connected to 2D really pushed the boundaries for their definitions, as far as we were concerned. Was Nimrod trying to ‘out-fool’ on us on April Fool’s Day?

 

Thankfully, luck was with us and Bert noticed the possibility of ‘AND RED ALL OVER’ in the grid once we had some crossing letters. Mind you, we still had no idea about the other riddles. At one point Joyce (who is writing the blog) was confused and suggested COMMUNIST PENGUINS as one of the ‘jokes or riddles’ because it fitted the grid.

11/20 still has us somewhat puzzled so any help would be most welcome.

As I wrote up the blog I asked Bert whether he had enjoyed the solve. We both agreed that when the penny dropped we had a lot of smiles and laughs so the struggle was obviously worth it in the end!

 

ACROSS
1   See 23
10   See 13
11/20   Sin spun out with lubricant, (two?) non-traditional alternatives to newspaper (4,2,1,5-4)
NUNS IN A STRIP CLUB An anagram of SIN SPUN and LUBRICANT – anagrind is ‘out’ but we are struggling with the relevance of “two?”. Is it because ‘nuns’ is in the plural so there must be at least two?
12   Still with chance of winning trophy, shown red card for foul (2-3)
IN-OFF IN (if you are ‘in’ you still have a chance of winning trophy) OFF (shown red card)
13/10   Revolutionary 9p study by Polish students accepting good university’s non-traditional alternative to newspaper (9,7)
SUNBURNED PENGUIN NINE P DEN (study) RUB (polish) NUS (students as in National Union of Students) all reversed or ‘revolutionary’ around G (good) U (university)
14   Snow that obstructs medic whenever temperature’s reduced (5)
DRIFT DR (medic) IF (whenever) T (shortened version of temperature or ‘reduced’)
16   See 18
18/16   Somerville (one of two) is not happy in two for one non-traditional alternative to newspaper (9,9)
COMMUNIST CROSSWORD COMMUNaRD (Jimmy Somerville was one of the two Communards) with ‘a’ (or one)  being replaced by IS and CROSS (not happy) inside TWO
19   Remained lustful, having turned back time (5)
DWELT LEWD (lustful) reversed or ‘turned back’ T (time)
20   See 11
23/1/26   Poor Edward hasn’t completely finished describing monotonous newspaper by tradition (5,5,3,5,3,3,3,4)
WHAT’S BLACK AND WHITE AND RED ALL OVER An anagram of EDWARD HASN’T – anagrind is ‘poor’ ALL OVER (completely finished) around BLACK AND WHITE (monotonous)
24   Require too much of green area, restricted by elements of game (7)
OVERTAX VERT (green) A (area) inside or ‘restricted by’ O X (elements used in the game of noughts and crosses)
25   Prime cuts of entrecôte and lemon in pancakes with caviar and champagne cocktail (7)
BELLINI E L –   first letters or ‘prime cuts’ of entrecôte and lemon inside BLINI (pancakes). Nimrod has added caviar to his pancakes but in the B and J household we serve them with smoked salmon.
26   See 23
DOWN
2   By coming between two lecturers, is Mark’s missus giving trouble, or wee Jimmy? (9)
LONDONISM We really struggled with this one and eventually did a search in our electronic version of Chambers as we couldn’t think of any other word that would fit. It wasn’t until we had completed the puzzle that Bert realised that you had to think of the definition as two versions of Cockney Rhyming Slang – missus giving trouble for ‘trouble and strife’ (wife) and ‘wee’ is Jimmy Riddle (piddle). The parsing is ON (by) in between L and DON (two lecturers) IS M (mark). PHEW – not a straight definition to be seen!
3   The local comic editor’s left very happy to do the Locomotion? (5)
CHUFF CHUFFed (very happy) missing ED (editor). Also, to ‘chuff’ can mean make a series of noises like a locomotive. Nothing to do with the dance performed to the song by Little Eva which we were taught at the dance class where Bert and Joyce met in the 1960s.
4   Quite a wait to be able to welcome New Woman (5)
AGNES AGES (quite a wait) around or ‘welcoming’ N (new)
5   In restaurant, maybe yelling because of painful condition (6,3)
DINING OUT Oh Dear! Could this yelling caused by gout (a painful condition) be described as DIN IN GOUT ?
6   Now a Brahma worshipper is hidden, mysteriously in full view within (9)
HINDUISED An anagram of IS HIDDEN – anagrind is ‘mysteriously’ around U (in full view as in ‘can be seen by everyone’ as used in film classifications)
7   One running through Devon in white ignored (5)
TEIGN Hidden in the clue whiTE IGNored
8   It was difficult to call disciplines to order (5,8)
SPLIT DECISION An anagram of DISCIPLINES TO – anagrind is ‘order’
9   Registration for post dispatched in a panic? (13)
CANDIDATESHIP An anagram of DISPATCHED IN A – anagrind is ‘panic’
15   Swan – tense spirit, Paul’s fellow flier (9)
TRUMPETER T (tense) RUM (spirit) PETER (Paul’s fellow flier in ‘Two Little Dickie Birds’). Joyce really enjoyed this clue – one of her favourite ‘party tricks’ with young children is this game.
16   Fixing line with cut, youngster put the plates up, according to 2 (9)
CHILLAXED L (line) AXE (cut) inside or ‘fixed by’ CHILD (youngster). The ‘LONDONISM’ refers to putting your feet or your ‘plates of meat’ up. Bert solved this one before 2D – again it wasn’t until the end that he worked out the relevance of ‘plates’. If Joyce had been solving this alone she would have had to accept defeat and ask for help.
17   Working on sacking northern musical agent from down south (9)
OPERATIVE On without or ‘sacking’ ‘n’ (northern) and EVITA (musical) REP (agent) reversed or ‘from down south’ as it is a down clue
21   Means to control piping in hot running water for natives (5)
RHEIN REIN (means to control) inserting or ‘piping in’ H (hot). The reference to the running water for ‘natives’ is that the correct German spelling is used.
22   Scene of confusion, murder victim having been found by bishop (5)
BABEL ABEL (murder victim) after or ‘found by’ B (bishop)
23   With coil damaged, I’m following instructions (5)
WILCO W (with) an anagram of COIL – anagrind is ‘damaged’

 

12 comments on “Independent 9506 / Nimrod”

  1. Simon S

    Thanks Nimrod and B&J

    Very tough but very enjoyable. And very clever to have linked three solutions to 23/1/26.

    I think 11/20 is plural because the more normal non-traditional answer to “What’s black and white and red all over?” is “A nun in a strip club”.

  2. crypticsue

    Enjoyably tough which is how a Nimrod (or his alter-egos) should be.

    I agree with Simon about the 11/20 plural. My favourite, chosen from a number of starred clues, was 3d as I’ve been using the word to indicate happiness quite a bit lately.

    Thanks to Nimrod and B&J too

  3. Eric Wolff

    Thanks to the bloggers for trying to explain a crossword we didn’t enjoy much at all. Too many where even now I don’t get the clue: afraid I need more explanation.
    why is chuff a local comic?
    is a sunburned penguin something I should have heard of? Or a communist crossword?
    what have nuns in a strip club to do with newspapers?
    why is in off foul?

    Thanks if anyone can pander to my ignorance.

  4. cruciverbophile

    Great fun, though for a while I wondered if this was an April Fool joke where the clues didn’t actually have any answers!

    Eric, if you look up CHUFF and IN-OFF in Chambers (or another good dictionary) you’ll find the relevant meanings. The nuns in a strip club etc. are recognised alternative answers to the joke “What’s black and white and red all over” – the most traditional being a newspaper (pun on red/read).

    I heard a version where the answer was “a zebra in a food blender” but of course Nimrod wouldn’t stoop to such poor taste…

    Terrific entertainment, thanks Nimrod.

  5. allan_c

    Ingenious – but a bit too ingenious, making it a struggle instead of a pleasure. Never heard of CHILLAX(ED) (not in my Chambers, Collins or wordfinder) and only got it by using the reveal button. I knew the SUNBURNED PENGUIN answer to the joke but not the other two though I guessed 11/20 would be NUNS IN A …

    Thanks, though, to setter and bloggers.

  6. Eric Wolff

    OK, I was slow. When I asked before I still thought the sunburned penguin must be some kind of underground newspaper as I hadn’t realized these were all answers to the same joke. Still don’t get chuff though, no definition like comic in my good dictionary.

  7. Gaufrid

    Eric @6
    From Chambers:
    chuff² or chough (dialect)
    noun
    1. A clown
    2. A surly or boorish fellow

  8. Bertandjoyce

    Thanks to everyone for helping out this afternoon whilst we were in the theatre.


  9. Very engaging, clever and tough stuff that kept me at the solveface for ages, though had me beat in the end. Of course, the spanking didn’t matter as I enjoyed the tussle and do declare I will put a Nimrod to bed one day (I’ve even got an only-open-upon-fully-solving-a-Nimrod can of beer put aside for just that eventuality). No particular fave clues today, just loads of good stuff in a style that could be from no other so thanks to The Indy for its great variety, Nimrod for the killer puzzle, and bravo to B&J for working it all out.

  10. Dormouse

    Not fun at all. Over the course of an hour or so I got a couple of clues. After another hour or so, I got the big one but that didn’t help with the other long ones, none of which I’d heard before. At which point I gave up with less that a quarter done. There comes a time when staring at the clues just gets boring.

  11. copmus

    Many thanks for the blog B&J-some fine tuning in some of the parsing. I got there in the end and the grin on my face made it all worthwhile.The O and X was rather ingenious-I honestly dont know if I’d have seen that.Typical of Nimrod-thanks to him too.

  12. WordPlodder

    Took hours, but fun once I’d twigged to the point of the gateway clue at 23/1/26. Although I often find Nimrod puzzles to be an ordeal, for me this was (eventually!) on the enjoyable side of the pleasure/struggle divide. All answers finally in, though missed the parsing of a few including LONDONISM, COMMUNIST CROSSWORD and CHUFF which you were very clever to work out. Not as complicated as some other clues, but OVERTAX was my favourite.

    A big thanks to Nimrod and B&J.

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