Guardian Cryptic 28,450 by Maskarade

85 comments on “Guardian Cryptic 28,450 by Maskarade”

1. When I saw the the clues for 1A and 1D as the puzzle churned out of the printer, I suspected I might have a crack at a PR, but sadly failed at 21 minutes – I seem to have come up against the ultimate barrier of handwriting speed. I’m struggling to think of a noteworthy clue, but WHIPPERSNAPPER always brings a smile – although if I ever see another variation on that cliched clue for RIOJA I may well scream. Somebody should offer a prize for a novel version since the word appears so often. I don’t like to seem mean, but as I recall I did give this setter very high praise for his previous puzzle, a thoroughly enjoyable 23×23 ‘biggie’.
   PS: As I continue browsing through old prize puzzles, I dropped across a beauty yesterday by the master himself in 2003 (#23,029). I had zero entries on the grid after one hour, but persisted and completed it within the third hour. I heartily recommend it for those who enjoy a good old-fashioned challenge. The next in the sequence (#23,035) by Paul was also excellent, if less challenging. But warning – no Fifteensquared, so no parsing checks/corrections for these oldies.

2. Ta for the blog – as you say, nicely clued and enjoyable if not very challenging. I thought SLOOP/POOLS was ambiguous needing crossers.

3. I was fearing a scaled-down version of Maskarade’s holiday jumbos, but this was more straightforward with nothing too contrived or obscure. A nice puzzle.

4. Even I found this pretty straightforward, but I really liked every clue.

5. Once I recognised Charlotte (my furstcname) as a potato and stopped looking for an anagram for CARLTE, I enjoyed that very much, though needed PererO’s help to parse Elstree, horror films not being a familiar genre. A Town Like Alice was next to me as I was solving as I have been rereading it: what a great book (from an author who I suspect is now underrated). PeterO there is an ‘”insert I” missing in the blog entry for NEMESIS. Many thanks to Maskaradefor a fun puzzle and to PeterO for the blog.

6. Thanks PeterO especially for fleshing out the Riesling provenance and the botanical reference – I had Chaplains Purse for a while as it seemed plausible and fitted the crossers at the time but that didn’t last.
   I found this a very curious mix of write-ins and (clearly clued) obscurity but plenty to enjoy such as ELSTREE, SCRAPHEAP and ON TOP. But after a lot of Piddle yesterday it was nice to see my homeland appear, thanks Maskerade!

7. Seeing who the setter was I approached this with some trepidation, but it turned out to be fairly benign with unknowns such as SHEPHERD’S PURSE and the first name of ‘Mondrian’ solvable from the wordplay or def. I liked the extended def for SCRAPHEAP and the parsing of ELSTREE.

   I agree with your comments about Nevil Shute, Beobachterin @5. I hope he’ll come back into fashion one day.

   Thanks to Maskarade and PeterO

8. Beobachterin@5, yes that misled me very neatly too – I got as far as HOT TREACL and then gave up, thank goodness ON TOP forced a new approach or I would probably still be permutating!

9. ELSTREE – very good!

   Never come across BVM before – presumably Blessed Virgin Mary? It was very gettable from the wordplay though. [My favourite pieta is not a painting but a sculpture – Michelangelo’s one in St. Peter’s basilica in Rome. Breathtaking.]

   Thanks Maskarade & PeterO

10. How time flies. Is it Monday already?

    Beobachterin @5 & Gazzh @8: I’m another who has enjoyed Shute’s work and, if there are those who haven’t gone beyond A Town Like Alice, I’d certainly recommend exploring. For some time I was a member of the Oxford & Cambridge Club in London, within whose walls Shute stayed and wrote during the WW2. It’s still possible to stay in the same room. At the same time he was also engaged in the development of unconventional weaponry (think Q from James Bond) including the wonderfully named Panjandrum – a word that we have seen in these pages before.

    Thanks Maskerade and PeterO

11. Thanks Maskarade and PeterO for an easy but fun puzzle this morning. It would have been quicker but I rushed in Shepherds Clock for 25ac without stopping to see whether it parsed correctly. Schoolboy error!!

12. Ironic that poor old Spurs are on the bottom row-they are not having too much luck.

13. On Shute, I can recommend this site: http://www.nevilshute.org/index.php

    There is no sign of much recent activity during lockdown, but the site is kept updated, and is full of good material on his life and works.

14. Typical that on the unusual day that I was a DNF, many of the comments above refer to straightforward, not challenging etc. Also no surprise that it was Maskarade, my nemesis, so I admit I was in self-defeating mode. His tendency to require local or special knowledge in both definition and wordplay irritates me. An example today were 7d, ELSTREE where I didn’t know the studio or the horror movie. I could have googled one or the other and looked through lists for something matching the crossers, but couldn’t be arsed and hit Cheat. Did the same with RAMSONS, nho. I enjoyed solving many of the others and yes, they were mostly straightforward and unchallenging. LOI was EAT IN. An obvious choice but I held out because where I live, to eat in is the antonym of take away.

15. Easiest of the week for me but still most enjoyable. WORCESTERSHIRE went straight in to get me a good start. I didn’t know RAMSONS but gettable. Loved WHIPPERSNAPPER. Thanks Maskarade and PeterO

16. Surely 1a’s lad is not flogging a camera but shooting a dominatrix?

17. As with KLColin @15 Maskarade is usually my NEMESIS but as with DrWhatsOn @3 I found it so much easier than his usual holiday specials. LOI was SCRAPHEAP but I loved it for the neat misdirection. I agree with KLColin @14 about ‘eating in’; the opposite of a takeaway imho. Had to google-check RAMSONS (another botanical DNK) and needed PeterO to help me parse ELSTREE (horror films are not my genre).

    Thanks to Maskarade and PeterO

18. A strange and unsatisfying mix of the ridiculously easy and – for me – the obscure (RAMSONS and PIETA). Thanks to PeterO and Maskarade.

19. Like PostMark @10 and Median @18 I found that too much went in too easily for my taste, but I’m glad to hear that others appreciated it. Liked PAPERWORK, ELSTREE and WHIPPERSNAPPER. Thanks to M & P.

20. Anyone else have RUMPOPS for 9a? I guessed po = po-faced = square, with above = over = bridging as a dodgy insertion indicator (well, I’ve seen worse). I’m not sure I’ve come across S = square in real life, but I expect it’s in Chambers.

    I did like MOONSET and OSTRICH, and ON TOP gave me a Xenia Onatopp eyeworm.

    Thanks M & P

21. That has to be my quickest solve to-date other than I needed to search for RAMSONS a little, not being of the horticultural type but it was there somewhere.

    PostMark @10: As a teen, I went through most of Shute’s books pretty quickly – I remember them being quite simple in form and given my growing engineering and scientific interests at that time he obviously had great appeal. The other author I really liked at that time was CP Snow who was a chemical engineer and civil servant although coming back to them years later I find the as dry-as-ditchwater.

    I wasn’t very happy at the construction of the clue for 3d – I think the word ‘phone’ in the clue really isn’t needed and gives the game away; in fact, I found the whole clue a bit clumsy – sorry!

    Otherwise, thanks to Maskarade and PeterO. Wonder who’s up for Friday?

22. [MB @21: funnily enough, I read Shute at the same stage of life – and, tbh, have not been back for a long time. I wonder if I’d find them similarly dry after all this time. ]

23. If you go to a chippy, you often get a choice of eat in or take out, so to me eat in is the exact opposite of takeaway.

24. I usually shy away from Maskerade puzzles, but, as others have said, this one was accessible and enjoyable. Also like others, I was unconvinced by 11a as- as KLColin has commented – ‘eat in’ would normally represent the opposite of takeaway.

25. I was unsurprised to find I got to 15ac before I saw an answer and then increasingly surprised as I filled in the rest of the grid quite easily.
    Like many of you, I am of the Slide Rule generation. As Beobachterin@5 observes, Shute seems to be out of fashion.
    My thanks to Maskerade and PeterO.

26. “Shall we eat in tonight?”

27. Having, like others, approached a Maskarade with apprehension, I enjoyed this. Needed to go back to it after a few minutes before the penny dropped about ELSTREE, but otherwise it all went smoothly. It’s always an individual matter how much GK a crossword should require of the solver, but I didn’t mind being expected to know PIETA and RAMSONS.
    Having met up yesterday with old friends who used to be stalwarts of the Three Choirs Festival, I allowed myself a smile at the lovely anagram in 1D.
    Yes, I suppose 11A involved a misdirection – but applying Ximenes’ test that having found the answer you should be in no doubt that you are correct, the clue seemed sound enough.
    Thanks to Maskarade and PeterO.

28. Extremely enjoyable!
    Favourites: PIETA, OSTRICH, SCRAPHEAP, ON TOP, ELSTREE.
    New: shepherd’s purse (weed).

    Thank you Maskarade and Peter.

29. I have just made some wild garlic pesto from the RAMSONS which grow wild (ROISTER?) at the end of my garden. Just need to wait for the Charlotte’s to grow now. Apart from the slight boost to one confidence from a quick solve, the best thing about this crossword was using “perhaps” as crossword fodder rather than as an indicator of a definition by example.

30. Me @25 Oops! MaskArade, of course!

31. Further to my comment @18 about the obscurity of PIETA, I see from the blog about today’s Independent puzzle, that PIETA features there too. One of life’s little coincidences.

32. Not difficult (in relative terms) and containing nothing unfamiliar to me but very enjoyable nevertheless.

    Standout clue is for SCRAPHEAP – extended def AND misdirecting use of ‘perhaps’.

    Like Petert @29 I grow Allium ursinum in the garden, so RAMSONS is very familiar – and I live close to Ramsbottom (‘valley with wild garlic’). I don’t allow growing space to Capsella bursa-pastoris though.

33. Many thanks, Peter and Maskarade.
    Are test cards still seen on TV?!

34. I took EAT IN to mean get a takeaway as opposed to going to a restaurant.

35. [Gervase @32: you mean you abut the butter’s butt?]

36. Thanks Maskarade and PeterO.

    Maskarade in benign mood, but most enjoyable.

    Coincidentally, 25a featured in a lovely article in yesterday’s Guardian, about the beauty of bleak spots readers have learned to love during lockdown:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/may/19/the-sewage-works-reminded-us-of-sicily-bleak-local-spaces-readers-learned-to-love

    It is described as “completely adorable”: there’s a picture in the paper version, but not online. Well worth a read.

37. Like Digbydavies @34, I understood EAT IN to be what you do when you don’t want to eat out, but you don’t want to cook, either – so you order a takeaway.

38. Crosser @33: in case you wanted to reminisce – and with some, if not all, the answer to your question, here’s the Wikipedia entry on the test card.

39. A none too challenging, but most enjoyable, puzzle from our setter today. Ramsons and pietae were well within my ken — the former flowering alongside our driveway right now and the latter appearing frequently during our Italian sight-seeing holidays in the past. I just couldn’t parse ELSTREE, unable to spot the “Nightmare on …” movie reference.
    All great fun. Thanks.

40. Oh! I ran with CHAPLAINS PURSE for a while (not being very knowledgeable about hedgerow weeds) until PRAIRIE muscled in to put me straight on the checker.

41. Interesting that Pieta should also come up in Tees’s crossword in The Independent today.

    Also interesting that Maskerade’s offering was so much easier than Monday’s cryptic. Even so, very enjoyable.

    Thanks to Maskerade and Peter O.

42. Sorry Maskarade.

43. [PostMark @22: I did try and go back to Shute re-reading ‘On the Beach’ recently but really didn’t get along with it… When it comes to writing about Australia, I have to say that nothing comes close to Bruce Chatwin’s ‘The Songlines’ for me. That is the kind of book that really stays with you.]

44. Like others I found this surprisingly benign for a Maskarade puzzle. PIETA was new for me and the rest was helped tremendously by 1d and 1a going straight in. Thanks to Maskarade and PeterO.

45. [MB@43 On The Beach is one of the bleakest books I’ve ever read – just the thing to brighten up these dark days!]
    I feared for @rodshaw’s blood pressure while doing this. Really only the botanical clues that took longer to read than to solve and that’s purely down to my ignorance. Possibly the first day when the Codeword clues were more challenging than the cryptic? Ah well, back to building my ark

46. I sympathise with KLColin @15, as there are days when I’m just not on the setter’s wavelength or don’t recognise the GK in the clues and/or wordplay. Happily for me, today was not one of those days! Though I must admit I couldn’t remember Mondrian’s first name until I had all the crossers – Piet is also the first name of the fictional Dutch policeman van der Valk.

    No one has answered Andy Smith’s point @2 about the possible ambiguity of 6d: to my mind the word ‘these’ at the start of the clue signifies a reference to the answer in the clue, and therefore that the answer cannot be a singular noun.

    MaidenBartok @21 – “I think the word ‘phone’ in the clue really isn’t needed and gives the game away“. I’m not sure how you solved the clue, then, as it requires an anagram (mobile) of phone to get the first five letters of the answer. Perhaps you were thinking of PHONEICIA?

    Thanks to Maskarade and PeterO.

47. EAT IN simply does not mean ‘get a takeaway’. It means to eat at home, nothing more, nothing less. If someone said to me ‘shall we eat in tonight’ it means either (I) cook at home or (2) get a delivery. Had Maskarade used the latter I could see it would make sense. As it is, it doesn’t, regardless of how anyone tries to convolutedly defend it.

48. [rodshaw @1. Thanks for recommending the Araucaria prize no.23029. It didn’t take me as long, either to start or to complete, with four or five on the first pass, a steady solve for half an hour and then another ten or fifteen minutes to polish off the last three, but it was certainly very enjoyable.]

49. [Re On The Beach: I remember getting to the end where the Melbournians are looking out over Bass Strait and saying “This is the end of the world, then” – and me thinking “Hang on, we southern Tasmanians have a while to go yet!”. Of course, that was many years ago and my memory of the end could be faulty.]

50. Bingy @47 (and others): re EAT IN, does it not depend on where the question is asked (and possibly by whom?) It’s pretty standard to be asked in many food establishments “Do you intend to eat in or take away?” and sometimes the price is higher for the former to cover service etc.

51. Bingy @47. I don’t know how often you have commented here, but from the way you express yourself I guess that you just come here to get something off your chest, rather than to contribute to the online community. At least three previous commenters have made the same point as you, though none of them sought to set themselves up as the sole arbiter of what is or is not allowed in the English language. And at least two people have agreed with the setter that there are circumstances where EAT IN can be a synonym, rather than an antonym, for takeaway.

    I was able to solve this by thinking of a similar situation to the one envisaged by Digbydavies @34 and GrannyJ @37. If you stop and think about it, I hope you’ll see that your list of ways to eat in is not exclusive: “either (I) cook at home or (2) get a delivery”; yes, but also “(3) walk or drive to a restaurant, get a takeaway and bring it back home to eat”. I fail to see how this reasoning is “convoluted”, but perhaps you’ll be able to help me.

52. Think I got lucky with my GK – A TOWN LIKE ALICE was banged in quickly from the crossers at the bottom without even parsing it and I had no idea where I’d got it from until reading this – I’d written a thread about the Panjandrum on Twitter and spent a bit of time reading up on Shute as a result, so must have absorbed it despite not having read any of his work.

    Shute’s summary of his wartime work – “I have sat for four years in an office in the Admiralty with occasional trips to sea to see my things go wrong” is one of the all time great descriptions of the life of an engineer.

53. Surprised no one has picked up the connection between Mobile phone and Dido Harding in 3D 😉

54. sheffiled hatter @46: In the way the clue is written, I agree there is no other way to do it and yes, it works. But at least in my Estuary English Dido’s gaff comes out as ‘Phone’ ‘Knee’ ‘Shun’ – there isn’t much re-arrangement of letters required. Anyway, I’m in a bad mood due to choirs being cancelled by the National Philistine Party as of… 36 hours after they were allowed! GRRR.

    [deliquium @53: Campaign magazine ran the piece ‘Talk Talk boss Dido Harding’s utter ignorance is a lesson to us all’ in 2015. Little did we know what great company she’d soon be in.]

55. Like MB @ 21 I remember reading several Nevil Shute books as a teenager – my parents had bought them from The Readers Digest. I particularly remember The Chequer Board.

    Lovely to see RAMSONS. The wild garlic are all flowering now and will soon disappear but (like Petert@29) I have made and frozen wild garlic pesto to cheer me up in winter. And my Charlotte potatoes are finally planted out.

    Remember seeing The Pieta sculpture by Michelangelo a long time ago. It was smaller than I expected and placed off to the side of St Peter’s – I though it was beautiful.

    Thanks to Maskarade and PeterO

56. MaidenBartok @54. I hesitate to add to your bad mood (such disappointing news about choirs), but I think it’s more like Fen-ee-sha! I agree that there’s not much rearrangement from ‘phone’ to PHOEN, and perhaps another setter could have used ‘mobile news to the end’, but I get the impression that Maskarade was trying to set a more traditional puzzle with straightforward clues – and some old fashioned words in the grid, too – so this wouldn’t have been an option.

57. Fiona Anne @55: they were always “ramsons” when I spent my childhood spring holidays near damp Dorset woods full of them: a much loved smell, though not indoors! PeterO mentions the name “ramps” which may be a slightly different species: see here: https://www.bonappetit.com/test-kitchen/ingredients/article/on-the-etymology-of-the-word-ramps

    I remember “hramsen” when tempted to call them “ransoms” as so many people do these days.

58. Held up for a while by a non-existent CHAPLAIN’S PURSE instead of the merely unknown weed at 25A, but once 17D and 18D fell the shepherd was obvious, albeit as my last one in today. Nice puzzle. Thanks to setter and blogger.

59. Crosser @33 I haven’t seen a test card on TV in years, and with all major channels now broadcasting 24 hours a day, even if only with six hours’ content, that’s unlikely to change. You can still hear the National Anthem on Radio 4 every night though.

60. Bingy@47 no need for convoluted logic when a quick look in Chambers yields the definition “to eat at home”

61. sheffield hatter @56: Thank you for treating me with kid gloves. The good news is that my in-person singing and piano lessons resume from next week which is a small, small start.

    You are correct – I could never pronounce that b**dy place. Have a bit of Dido’s Lament as a thank you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBEJdaac_9c IMvHO Christine Rice is one of the best voices out there at the moment – fabulous rich tone.

    [This was one of my set-pieces for music A-level – you can imagine the sniggering of the Silly Teens at the phrase ‘When I am laid…’ ]

62. gladys @ 57
    [I had not heard of the word “ramson” till recently. We just called it wild garlic. There are lots of them in the woods near here. When they first appear they are such a fresh green – then the flowers brighten up the wood – then it just disappears. I thought of growing some in my garden but it might be too invasive – and there are always loads in the wood.]

63. Fiona Anne: I don’t have any in my garden, but from the experience of friends I know that if it likes the conditions it can be invasive. Fortunately it’s one of those plants that comes up, flowers and dies down completely very quickly: by July you won’t know it was ever there.

64. [MaidenBartok @61. Thanks for the link. Yes, super voice.]

65. Anybody under the age of about forty ever seen a test card? I’m wondering when the last time was they were used.

66. On TV that is.

67. As someone who has complained about Maskarade in the past, it is only fair to say that I found this puzzle a good solving experience. The special puzzles (e.g. on bank holidays) are obviously impressive feats of setting but often offer a poor solving experience mainly due to the need to include far too many obscure words in order to match the convoluted rules of the puzzle (e.g. every answer must have an animal’s name in it). This puzzle shows that the setter can do “normal” crosswords! There are some answers I wasn’t familiar with but not too many so a fair and enjoyable challenge.
    Not sure why but this puzzle does seem to have drawn out a number of the “Far too easy for me” / “probably the quickest puzzle to solve ever” / “way below my advanced intellect” type comments which, in my view, are generally not useful to the discussion and are often just self-aggrandising.

68. tony+smith @66: I posted a link to the Wiki entry on that question @38. A few interesting snippets therein and a reminder of the famous image.

69. [MaidenBartok@54 I feel you pain. 29 of our choir at least managed to sing outside last night after a number of selfless people agreed to stay on Zoom. It was wonderful to sing (more or less) in harmony again.]

70. Gorilla68@67 I’m not sure why people saying it’s easy is any less relevant than you saying it was okay? Surely this is a forum for people to express their opinions on the day’s crossword. I find quadratic equations difficult but I hope I wouldn’t take umbrage if some of the mathematically incline people here pronounced them easy

71. [MB@61 thanks for that link – sublime voice!]

72. I parsed the NE in 5D differently, taking NE as one of the ‘sides’ in Tyne rather than Tyneside being the NE of England. thanks all, PeterO and Maskarade for an enjoyable puzzle

73. Gorilla68 @67 – I agree with bodycheetah @70 that it’s OK to voice disappointment about a puzzle, for example if there are too many write-ins. I print out the crossword each morning expecting a reasonably tough challenge (Mondays usually excepted). If my brain isn’t stretched, it’s a feeling of disappointment rather than self-aggrandisement. However, as I said above, I’m glad that quite a lot of the folks who comment here enjoyed Maskarade’s offering today.

74. gladys @57
    It looks as if we are both right (and what better result could there be than that?). I was only familiar with the American plant, and that only under the name ramps; Wikipedia lists it as Allium tricoccum, which, as you may see there, is also known as ramson. Anyway, it shares with Allium ursinum both genus and etymology of the common name.
    MaidenBartok @61
    Thanks for the link; lovely, but I do not think it eclipses Janet Baker’s version.

75. Tamworks @72. NE as a ‘side’ of ‘Tyne’ works in this instance, but NE is often used because it is the Newcastle postcode, not as a reference to the NE if England.

76. sheffield hatter @75 thanks for the info about NE as a postcode as well as a region. I did not know that. I still prefer my parsing as it is integral to the wordplay and not dependent on knowledge of local geography.

77. @12 copmus: It is not bad luck; it is bad decisions by senior management.

78. Thanks for the exercise Maskarade – I enjoyed it. And for the explanations PeterO.
    Apart from the much discussed eating behaviours, I also found SLOOP/POOLS confusing as you needed an end crosser to get the direction right. As only one other person has mentioned this I need a brain reset.

79. I have become to not tackle Maskarade’s ‘bigger projects’ anymore.
    These often contain too many obscurities – although, it’s all about what you know.
    Also, his clueing style is not 100% my cup of tea.
    However, this crossword was excellent (only, RAMSONS had to be checked).
    Indeed, it wasn’t very difficult but why should it be?
    Carpathian, to name one, isn’t either but her puzzles are always ‘delightful’.
    Because it’s Thursday?
    Easier than Anto last Monday?
    Of course – Anto doesn’t belong to occupy the Monday spot.
    [not sure yet where he does belong]
    One the one hand there are people linking Maskarade to the word “trepidation”, on the other hand there are solvers who cannot accept today’s level of difficulty.
    I just do not understand a thing like “Possibly the first day when the Codeword clues were more challenging than the cryptic?” (@45).
    Perhaps, it was meant to be ironic.
    I am totally with Gorilla68 @67 – spot on.

80. Mystogre @78. “I found SLOOP/POOLS confusing as you needed an end crosser to get the direction right.” I thought that PeterO dealt with this in the blog, by underlining the definition ‘These shallow waters’, but also I answered an earlier query @46:

    “No one has answered Andy Smith’s point @2 about the possible ambiguity of 6d: to my mind the word ‘these’ at the start of the clue signifies a reference to the answer in the clue, and therefore that the answer cannot be a singular noun.”

    Hope this helps.

81. Agree, SH.

82. Re SLOOP/POOLS, spot on, sh and Sil, but in addition I would point out that a solution that works forward and back is perfectly fine if a crosser gives you the correct answer – that’s why these puzzles are called crosswords.

    Re eat in and take away, the ambiguity is what makes this clue delightfully cryptic – I liked it.

    [ MB – I add my thanks for the Dido link. It reinforces my preference for contraltos, even in period performances, when the music needs real depth in the lower register. Helen Watts comes to mind. ]

83. I know your audience is predominantly UK but ELSTREE? Population 5,000? Not suitable for an international audience, perhaps? Satisfying to solve a clue and discover a new word: roister.

    Learned some other things I’m too embarrassed to admit.

84. bret @83
    Elstree village may be small, but it gives its name to a group of film studios (generally known collectively as Elstree, even if most are in neighbouring Borehamwood). Studio work has been shot there for such films as Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Shining, which I think can be said to be well known internationally.

85. I was surprised to see BVM. When I was growing up in the Boston (Mass., US) area decades ago, people used that abbreviation, in an irreverent, tongue-in-cheek way, to refer to the statues that many of the Catholic families in the area had outside their homes. I had no idea the abbreviation had any usage outside of that area.

    Many of these statues were of the sort we called “the Virgin Mary on the half-shell”, which I later learned are also called bathtub Madonnas.

    All of these expressions had a strong whiff of mockery about them, so I would be careful in what context I said them.

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