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I wouldn’t call this easy, exactly, but some well-constructed clues meant that I got through it quite quickly. Some political commentary raises its head, as often with this setter, with one particularly clever and amusing construction. Thanks to Vlad.
I’m about to leave for a long-awaited two-week holiday in the Highlands (postponed from May 2020) so may not be able to respond or make corrections (which may well be necessary in view of my haste to get away) during the day, or indeed at all.
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| 8 | WHAT’S THE DAMAGE | Wage that shamed liberal’s how much? (5,3,6) (WAGE THAT SHAMED)* – there’s some discussion about the apostrophe on the Guardian site, but if you read “liberal’s” as “liberal is” then I think it’s fine |
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| 11 | FAR AND AWAY | Escaped across back of yard with nothing much (3,3,4) FA (nothing – short for f*** all) + [yar]D in RAN AWAY |
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| 12 | ODDITY | Having headless torso outside, Nancy’s said: ‘This isn’t normal!’ (6) DOT (French “said”, as in the city of Nancy) in [b]ODY (torso) |
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| 14 | ELITISTS | Quarter settled first on scones, not wafers (they want the cream on top) (8) E (compass quarter) + LIT (settled) + 1ST + SCONES less CONES (wafers for ice cream) |
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| 15 | CRUSHED | Hurried past Coventry’s original ground (7) C[oventry] + RUSHED (hurried) |
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| 17 | MYANMAR | No old money coming back hurt country (7) Reverse of NAY (old “no”) M[oney] + MAR (hurt) |
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| 20 | BLAIRITE | Supporter of PM once getting mouthful over lie (8) LAIR (lie, as in an animal’s hiding place) in BITE |
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| 22 | DREAMS | Fantasies about mothers overwhelming (6) RE (about) “overwhelmed by” DAMS (mothers) |
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| 23 | FOR CERTAIN | Pressure drops over time, definitely (3,7) FORCE (pressure) + T in RAIN (drops) |
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| 24 | BLAG | Robbery not entirely legal, burglar reflected (4) Hidden in reverse of leGAL Burglar |
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| 25 | GOVERN | Run about in empty garden (6) OVER (about) in G[arde]N |
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| 26 | DISSUADE | Put off date — notice children around (8) D[ate] + AD (notice) in ISSUE (children) |
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| 1 | SHOULDER | Assume performance banning women’s ruled out (8) SHOW (performance) less W + RULED* |
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| 2 | ITCH | Long grass totally pointless (4) SNITCH (grass) less both its compass points |
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| 3 | STUFFY | Close with a lot of property? (6) Someone with a lot of property might be said to be STUFF-Y |
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| 4 | GEORGE W BUSH | Silly bugger whose next-but-one successor was worse (6,1,4) Anagram of BUGGER WHOSE. I’m not entirely sure this is sound: “whose” is perhaps doing double duty, but in view of the brilliant anagram and surface reading I’m going to call it an &lit |
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| 5 | IDENTIFY | Recognise why attack’s mounted after head of state loses face (8) [B]IDEN (head of state, neatly positioned after the previous clue) + reverse of Y (“why”) + FIT (attack) |
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| 6 | IMPATIENCE | Eagerness to get at mince pie’s deplorable (10) (AT MINCE PIE)* |
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| 7 | AGHAST | Horrified by experiences in a high-speed car (6) HAS (experiences) in A GT |
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| 13 | IN STITCHES | Home schooling to start — little ones very amused (10) IN (home) + S[titches] + TITCHES. The enumeration should of course be (8,2) – it may have been corrected by the time some of you read this |
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| 16 | EMIGRANT | Issue about old lady who doesn’t live here now (8) GRAN (old lady) in EMIT |
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| 18 | ARM CANDY | A lecherous host welcomed in glamorous hangers-on (3,5) A + MC (host) in RANDY |
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| 19 | DEMANDS | Called round on policeman’s orders (7) Reverse of NAMED (called) + D[etective] S[ergeant] |
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| 21 | LOOK ON | Nothing between left and right — feasible view? (4,2) 0 between L[eft] and OK (right) + ON (feasible) |
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| 22 | DENISE | She doesn’t admit getting small promotion (6) DENIES (doesn’t admit) with the S moved up or “promoted” |
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| 24 | BOUT | Fight roughly after losing head (4) ABOUT (roughly) less its first letter |
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Enjoyable challenge, solved quite quickly. SW corner was hardest for me.
My favourites: DISSUADE, DENIES, MYANMAR, ARM CANDY, GOVERN, GEORGE W BUSH, ODDITY, EMIGRANT.
New for me: BLAG.
Thanks, both – and happy holiday in the Highlands, Andrew.
* there is a typo in the blog for 12ac – it should be DIT not DOT
and 13ac numeration should be (2,8) not 10 or 8,2
Thanks Andrew. Vlad normally utterly defeats me, but i solved this one. Still needed your help parsing a couple.
Ironically, you get the enumeration of 13 wrong as well; it should be 2,8. Also, the French for “said” is “DIT”, not “DOT”, although you have it right in your solution for 12.
“blag” seems to have two meanings – “to steal” (as here) or the one I’m more familiar with with “to persuade someone to give”. Great crossword, and a lovely explanation here-thank you – enjoy a well deserved holiday
Ditto michelle, SW last in, but yes nothing too Vladishly gnarly. Remembered blag from previous cws, but arm, rather than eye, candy was new. Quite fun, ta Vlad and enjoy the Highlands Andrew.
23A – Force and pressure are not the same. Force = pressure/surface area
I’m not going to let one wrong enumeration count spoil the puzzle – but 13d is not clever and left me disappointed. I eventually revealed on that one and was distinctly un-chuffed.
A shame because the rest of the puzzle was generally good. I see Andrew’s concern about double duty in GEORGE W BUSH but I just inserted a mental full stop (or might it have been a colon) after ‘whose’ and it seemed fine and certainly &littish. LOOK ON was very neat and I had ticks for FAR AND AWAY, GOVERN, DISSUADE, ODDITY and AGHAST.
I was surprised to find that BLAG means rob, having always associated it with persuasion, and an eyebrow was raised at STUFFY, though the question mark is there to defend the setter. Finally, I’ve never confused a cone with a wafer so ‘scones not wafers’ to indicate the letter ‘s’ was a bit much.
Thanks Vald and Andrew – I envy you your Highland holiday. Hopefully, the only ticks you see are on your morning crossword
I didn’t get the parsing of IDENTIFY, so thank you Andrew (and happy holiday). Otherwise it was great fun. Lots of great clues: DISSUADE, IN STITCHES, GEORGE W BUSH … Thanks Vlad.
Arm candy was new to me. I told my wife she should regard me as such. She hasn’t stopped loving. It’s rather hurtful.
Re 14a – I can remember having to choose between having my ice cream in a cone or between 2 wafers, so cone does not equal wafer!
No complaints here at all. I struggled with this but got there in the end with one tiny mistake.
I didn’t check off the letters of the fodder and had George H Bush, for whom the definition could also work as his next but one was Dubya. Think I read too much into successor there.
I also wanted 20A to be Cummings, but that would just be an &lit without any cryptic content.
Enjoy your holiday Andrew and thanks both.
Meg@5 I think they are equivalent when spoken (pressuring / forcing someone to do something are close enough I think) even if in physics they are related but definitely not the same.
Got held up a bit in SE corner but got there in the end.
Thanks for the parsing of IDENTIFY I couldn’t get past IDENT being the back end (faceless) of PRESIDENT.
Thank you Andrew and Vlad
Finishing a Vlad before 9 am feels like an achievement even when, as today, it’s a bit easier than usual.
8,9 is lovely; the dialogue on the Grauniad site almost as much so – “‘shamed liberal’s’ Shame on you, Vlad”; (within an hour) “Try re-reading the clue”. It’s a perfectly Ximenean contraction of “liberal is”.
My other favourite was the brilliant 4, 10, which, as Andrew says, probably has to be taken as an &lit, and is a very good one. And not only is it next door to a clue featuring Biden, Vlad takes a poke at Dubya’s bestie in 20a as well.
Yes, it’s a pity that the Grauniad’s old standards of accuracy applied to the enumeration of 15d. Yes, as Meg @5 points out, force and pressure are not the same thing (bits of A-level physics remembered 50+ years later…), but Chambers gives “pressure (11) The force produced by pressing (12) A force exerted on a surface”, and this is an exercise in wordplay, not an exercise in accurate physics. Yes, as Shirl @8 points out, wafers and cones are not the same thing; but as cones are things made out of wafer, I think Vlad gets away with it.
Thanks, Vlad; thanks, Andrew, and enjoy your break.
On the subject of cones and wafers, does anyone else recall the impression that wafers were the grown-up thing to have (which, as the last couple of mouthfuls of “a wafer” invariably ended up as a half-melted squidge, I could never understand)
Surprised some haven’t heard of armed blaggers, the targets of ‘The Sweeney’. Very enjoyable and not as tricky this time. Enjoy your jaunt Andrew
Ta both
Another great puzzle from Vlad.
I’m with NeilH @11 all the way regarding the quibbles. I loved the clue for 14ac for its reference to this age-old controversy .
My other ticks were for 8,9 WHAT’S THE DAMAGE, 12 ODDITY, 20 BLAIRITE, 23 FOR CERTAIN, 26 DISSUADE, 4,10 GEORGE W BUSH, 5 IDENTIFY, 13 IN STITCHES, and 22 DENISE.
Many thanks to Vlad for the usual fun and to Andrew for the quality blog. Have a great holiday – I’ll keep your seat warm next Thursday. 😉
One of the easier offerings from Vlad, but I had to come here for a couple of parsings. Held up in SW by the faulty enumeration of 13. As a scientist and engineer, I always fail to see the equivalence of FORCE and PRESSURE given by MattWillD@10. Perfectly legitimate in the context of a crossword, but the distinction between the two is so deeply ingrained from my youth.
…and thanks to Vlad and Andrew.
I found this more difficult than the comments of other solvers would suggest, but got there in the end with much enjoyment and satisfaction.
Thanks to setter and blogger, and best wishes to Andrew for a great holiday, which I greatly envy.
I’m with George @17 here, but enjoyed it much more than the 2 previous cws this week. Thanks to Vlad for the brain exercise and Andrew (and commentators) for the parsing (aghast was a write in with nothing to go on except horrified!). Happy holiday!
Shirl @8 – thanks for that: a Proustian moment!
Worth doing for GEORGE W BUSH alone, whether ‘whose’ was doing double duty and whether it was a real &lit or not. As pointed out by AlanC @13, BLAG bought back memories of the much-missed “The Sweeney”.
I’ve also enjoyed the “wafer v. cone” and the “FORCE v. pressure” discussions above.
Thanks to Vlad and Andrew
As one who expects a routine mauling from The Impaler, got through this relatively unharmed.
The wafer/cone thing is quite wrong in my book and yes, NeilH @12, the wafer was definitely the parents’ option which we kids could not be trusted with.
I knew someone would technically dis force=pressure but it works perfectly well in speech.
Missed the Fanny Adams part of FAR AND AWAY. lovely clue.
Many thanks and enjoy your highland hop, Andrew.
Thanks Vlad and Andrew. This was a bit of a slow grind for me, but a mostly enjoyable one and it all fell into place eventually. Took a while to get GEORGE W BUSH but that is clearly the stand-out clue today. Love it. ELITISTS was another favourite. Several other very good ones.
Those complaining about force/pressure should consider other non-scientific meanings of those words. And I’m with NeilH @11 on “liberal’s” – nothing wrong with it at all.
Only bit of parsing that eluded me was FAR AND AWAY – got hung up on “escaped” being “far away” – but the explanation makes perfect sense, thanks Andrew.
Shirl @8 – surely ice cream cones are made out of wafers? Would have been traditionally, at least – you would form a wafer into a cone shape straight from the oven, while it was still soft. I suppose the mass-produced cones are pre-shaped in moulds. (I admit I’m stretching for a reason to excuse Vlad because I liked the clue.)
Here, a wafer was the biscuity thing wedged in the ice cream in a sundae, and there were also biscuits of layered wafers and filling called something I forget (Mayfair Wafers … ?). Cones were of similar stuff but never called wafers.
Quite right, ginf but, annoyingly, if you search for wafer in Google images this is the third item that pops up!
I found this neither more nor less of a challenge than the usual Vlad – no pushover, but it yielded steadily.
The POTUS clue is particularly notable but there are many other good constructions and surfaces. I appreciate the cleverness of the wafers/cones allusion but I found this a rather tortuous way just to indicate ‘s’. Vlad is usually much more economical in his clueing.
This scientist had no problem whatsoever with the force/pressure equivalence. Both words are first attested in English in the Middle Ages, long before scientists (or rather ‘natural philosophers’) attached more specific meanings to them. Particularly as verbs they are practically synonymous in a non-scientific context, which is where they originate and are still at home.
I look differently at words coined by scientists which are then used metaphorically in inappropriate ways (epicentre is an example).
Thanks Jim and Andrew
To me, an American, a wafer has to be flat: it’s the shape as much as the material. If you roll a wafer so that it becomes a cone, then it loses its wafer-ness. It never ceases to amaze me what subtle differences there are between American and British usage!
As usual with Vlad I found this difficult and had to make use of aids to get a lot of the answers. Even after completing there were a lot I hadn’t parsed – but I went back and stared hard and got half of them but still needed the blog to parse about 6 of the answers.
I used to give up when I saw that it was Vlad – but now I do try – and I view it as a learning experience as Roz suggested once.
Thanks Vlad and Andrew
One other quiblet, in the FAR AND AWAY clue, there’s no real indication that FA has to come first. Would it have been fairer to word it “Escaped across back of yard on nothing much?
William @25 – Vindicated!
[Gervase @26: “epicentre”, “quantum leap”, “in our DNA”, etc., etc. I’ll say no more.]
Very satisfying solve, thank you Vlad & Andrew (happy hols!).
Does the grid centre add to the political commentary by suggesting Weapons of Mass Destruction?
That was quite approachable for a Vlad, and I was chuffed to finish it. Liked WHAT’S THE DAMAGE, DENIES, ARM CANDY, GEORGE W BUSH, EMIGRANT, AGHAST and lots of others.
BLAG for a robbery with violence is older British underworld slang than BLAG meaning to talk somebody into giving. A cone (for ice cream) may be made of wafer biscuit, but “a wafer” is flat and rectangular and definitely not conical. One of my favourite childhood treats was when Mum bought a block of ice cream, and sliced it up to make “wafers” for everyone, but both blocks of ice cream and the packets of little flat wafers are increasingly things of the past.
I found the SW the toughest: “mouthful over lie” in BLAIRITE doesn’t suggest an insertion for me.
Possibly the first time I’ve finished a Vlad. I had to come back for a second visit and I’m not sure I would have got 13d without the correction. Hard to say because on a second visit some mysteries are usually resolved. It was my first solution on the 2nd visit so also hard to say if I would have finished that corner. Govern was my last one in after having considered careen, which nearly worked but needed two abouts, ca and re. Empty garden would have been E(de)n.
We’re the Sweeney son and we aint had any dinner!
Another fine piece of entertainment from JT
Thanks to all.
[Gladys @33 Things of the past indeed. They should bring them back, perhaps with a new name. They’ve been a wafer so long.]
As is usual for me with Vlad, a slow start, but a satisfying end.
William @25; my Google must be different – I see no cones. It would have been better with cornets.
By the time I started this, the enumeration in 13 had been corrected – some advantage in having leisurely breakfasts!
I liked Dubya, BLAIRITE, SHOULDER, IN STITCHES and ARM CANDY.
Thanks Vlad and Andrew.
As so often, my experience is similar to Fiona Anne’s. I had the IDEN bit of IDENTIFY as PRESIDENT without PRESENT with an unparsed EN. I felt the same as William@29 about FAR AND AWAY but I enjoyed almost succeeding with Vlad for once.
Not as terribly difficult as some past Vlads, and some great clues including the BUSH one, so all in all a fun puzzle.
Like others, I knew the difference between force and pressure, but also like others I realized they can be used interchangeably in everyday speech. But then I had a thought (often a bad thing): consider
Tom forced Dick to resign
Tom pressured Harry to resign
The way I use these verbs, we know Dick did resign, but aren’t so sure about Harry. Am I alone in seeing a difference here?
Dr W @39: I imagine Harry felt harried.
@37 Robi
Different geographical locations will produce different results on Google.
As a ‘L’ plater I am always happy to complete a Vlad puzzle.
I didn’t see the double bubble in 2d – which was my favourite anagram of the day.
NeilH@12 my mother wouldn’t let me have a wafer for fear of the squidge ending down the front of my dress.
Thx to Andrew and I hope he enjoys his long awaited holiday in Scotland.
Thanks to Vlad.
[Penfold @36: no idea how you get away with some of your puns. I assume you have a waiver of some kind.
… I’ll get my coat!]
GEORGE W BUSH was my favourite clue in a very long time. Possibly because I spent ages trying to shoehorn GEORGE I into the first part thinking of his mad successor but one, so when the light dawned it was one of those brilliant moments that reminds my why I do these puzzles.
It did seem easier than a typical Vlad otherwise, but none the less enjoyable for that.
Thanks for the blog. Well done Fiona Anne @28, you can learn from the better setters. Crossword speak of the day is FA to mean Fanny Adams hence nothing.
A few quibbles mentioned here but it was very good overall.
IN STITCHES held me up but that is the fault of the Guardian, not the setter.
FORCE = Pressure ? If my students used this , their work would be in the bin but it is fine for a crossword.
Many science words have everyday usage and meaning that does not need to match their scientific definition. Trying to stop the tide of language is like King Cnut , who I think was just teaching his courtiers a lesson.
I live in awe of Vlad who authored one of my favourite ever clues: Submit, it’s Vlad! (3,2). But today was overjoyed to complete the grid. Thanks both!
Brilliant clueing! Another beauty from Vlad, even if it was on the easier side.
Like everyone else GEORGE W BUSH was my highlight.
Thanks to Vlad and good luck in Scotland Andrew
Only just finished so I can’t describe this as an ‘easy’ Vlad. Having said that, it was only the SW which held out for really and for that I blame the printing error for 13dn. I had the Ins start for ages but couldn’t get an answer for the whole word. Eventually I realised it had to be In Stitches and then the rest fell into place.
Thanks Vlad and happy holidays Andrew.
After two finishes, Vlad is many a mile beyond me.
Thanks for the hints.
Roz @45: Your tide-stopping analogy is inappropriate. This is not a case of laymen misusing scientific terminology but rather the opposite – scientists took pre-existing words and gave them more specific meanings. Other examples of this are ‘compound’ in chemistry and ‘family’ in biology.
I see that the online version has now been corrected, but that in the meantime 20,000 years have passed. That makes it my slowest-ever Vlad solve by some margin. Nevertheless thanks to him for many centuries of fun, and happy holidays Andrew.
Gervase @50 if you read carefully my point about the tide of language makes NO distinction between science words making their way in to everyday language or the reverse process. Tides travel in two directions.
TILT – FA: “The expression ‘sweet Fanny Adams‘ was coined in 1869 by sailors in the Royal Navy, whose macabre humour likened the contents of their tinned meat to Fanny’s remains. From this it gradually became a euphemism for ‘sweet nothing'”
Who knew!? I’d always assumed FA was an initialism for another well know english phrase
Live and learn
It is a little bit like SNAFU , originally …….. fouled up.
[Well well I’d always assumed the same bodycheetah@53.
My personal favourite of military acronyms was FUBAR which made it into early IT as variables foo and bar in manual code snippets or as the example filename foo.bar in the DEC VMS manuals. ]
Thanks Andrew and happy travels, and thanks to Vlad for a puzzle that was a bit tough for me but fun, tho I’m not sure i enjoyed it more than the wafer debate here.
In my New England upbringing, one would have a choice between having ice cream in a sugar cone or a wafer cone (or sometimes the additional extra-fancy waffle cone), wafer cones being the lightly styrofoam-y ones; I have a vague idea this is regional. Here’s a site that shows the cone genuses (geni?) as I understand them.
[Sometimes I would have an ice cream with one nougat wafer and one plain wafer. Occasionally I had a double nougat wafer ice cream – that was really messy to eat – but great. This was in Scotland where then the ice cream was the Italian ice cream – so good]
[I too grew up in Scotland, Fiona Anne, as you know, and our part of east-end Glasgow was on the patch of an Italian ice-cream van man called Matteo – which, of course, we pronounced as Matty-O, not Matt-Ayo. The treat I remember was called an ‘oyster’ – this was posher and more expensive than either a cone or a wafer, and was a rare purchase. As I recall it, it was a wafer exterior fashioned to resemble an oyster shell with a chocolate (and coconut?) frosting on the upper lip and a ‘pearl’ of marshmallow inside before the scoop of ice cream was inserted. Did I dream this, or does anyone else remember something of this sort?]
SC @58 the oyster is a real and rare delight. I have seen them in the last few years so definitely still a thing
Very enjoyable puzzle (with the exception of the dreaded common noun for a proper noun in 22d – surely there is a cleverer way to clue DENISE than “she?”). I was defeated by BLAIRITE and I had to read the blog to understand the parsing on several of the clues (never knew about DIT or SNITCH…).
Thanks Andrew and Vlad.
Ultimately defeated by the wonderful ARM CANDY, having entered an unparsed ARM BANDS more in hope than expectation and inferred the correct answer from what was left after a stab at the check button. Otherwise this was a lengthy but hugely enjoyable solve. Many thanks Vlad and Andrew.
I’ve never posted before but as i finished a Vlad today maybe I should. I enjoyed the crossword and the comments here. Our local ice cream vans still have oysters. Delicious.
Spooner’s catflap
[I remember the oyster – just as you described it. They were good too – but my favourite was the double nougat. I last had a double nougat when i was visiting a friend in Edinburgh a few years ago. We went down to the river for a walk and there was an ice cream van there selling that wonderful Italian ice cream – with nougat wafers and oysters to choose from.
I worked in an Italian cafe in Glasgow as a Saturday girl while at school. The ice cream came in liquid form (looking like very thick milk) which we poured into the machine to churn away. Everything had to be scrupulously clean. It was delicious. Haven’t had an oyster wafer in years. Will look out for one when I am back up home.]
It’s probably too obvious to bother pointing out, but just in case I’ll observe that there’s a slight typo in the explanation of 13d: Andrew should have written
IN (home) + S[chooling] + TITCHES
I got through this more easily than usual with a Vlad puzzle. I failed to parse some clues, but now that I see how they work the failures were all mine.
Like others, I cannot be bothered by the slightly loose cryptic grammar of 4dn, because I’m still chuckling over it long after finishing the puzzle. For what it’s worth, I thought of the definition as beginning with “next-but-one”, not including “whose”. The definition is thus a full clause, which admittedly isn’t a correct way to define a noun, but that sort of impreciseness around parts of speech is not unusual in cryptic clues, and in this case the payoff is more than worth it.
Enjoyed it but over too quickly though not ELITISTS and ARM CANDY the former I didn’t parse. George W was top clue.
Thanks Andrew and Vlad
GregFromOz @2: isn’t triply delightful that the Grauniad’s online Special Instructions for its correction of the 13d enumeration have a typo, themselves, in the date?
HugoFSpider @62: I’m afraid I’m two and a half hours after your posting so you may not pop back in but your first post – and your first demolition of a Vlad – deserve noting and commendation. Chapeau.
Look forward to seeing you back here again. Finishing the puzzle, whatever the calibre of setter, is not a prerequisite – as some of our regulars cheerfully acknowledge.
HugoFSpider@62: Hello and well done, especially on this one what with the enumeration typo, and things like STUFFY, BLAG and the political jabs (although all very fair really, just that they represent hurdles that might reasonably be refused) so an accomplishment to finish it.
I couldn’t break out of the SE through DEMANDS (and while I know it’s all there I don’t like it: policeman=DS, oh well all right.) late in the day so it may be that someone can enlighten me about the “over”=”about” aspect of GOVERN.
Thanks Vlad and Andrew. (I thought I might generate a jeu de mots by looking up “kilts” on the internet – bad idea.)
Alphalpha @ 68
“I grabbed my coat and threw it over / about my shoulders”
Alphalpha / Simon S: let’s not fight over it 😉
Many thanks to Andrew and to others who commented.
Apologies for the enumeration error.
Alphalpha@68,
It’s late and chilly, and my wife has fallen asleep on the sofa, so I’ve thrown a blanket over her. It covers her nicely, I could say it is now ‘about’ her.
HugoFSpider@62, you’ve impaled the impaler, you deserve an oyster as a reward!
[The main advantage of a cone over a wafer is that you can insert a chocolate flake in a cone]
Ooh, my first attempt at a Vlad, I only got about half done but I’m impressed. He’s got a bit of Picaroon about him. We’ll see how I go in the next one.