Guardian Cryptic 28,682 by Brendan

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2. Even I got the theme, and managed to parse all the solutions as I entered them.

   Looking at the grid, I was sure that there had to be a Nina in this puzzle, and I probably wasted a bit of time looking for one.

3. Yes, even I got the theme. I wasn’t sure about “in” for “smart” in ENGINEER but can’t come up with anything else. I also had Prog for software and R for Rex, rather than Pro-GR, but that was just sloppy thinking on my part. Favourites were INTERNET and SHIFTY (definitely devious). An impressive theme which was packed into so many clues and answers.

4. Well this was right up my alley, so much so that I could guess a few answers just from a couple of crossers, without even looking at the clues. That’s pretty unlikely to ever happen again.

   I was a bit surprised to see LO-TECH; I didn’t know it had crossed the Atlantic.

   I did like the alternative readings of common expressions, such as “hard to keep” in DRIVES and “time and time again” in ULTIMATE. In FORMAT, “mathematical arrangement of data” suggested matrix or tensor, but it ended up being not so esoteric. In all, great job by Brendan.

5. More excellence from Brendan — so many splendid surfaces and clever twists — I liked STATISTICS (it’s twice cast out — simply brilliant), OPEN, EMOTICON (great accounting in the surface for the extra “s” in economist), and SYSTEM. SHIFTY baffled me — thanks PeterO for explaining. Thanks Brendan, it’s always a pleasure.

6. thanks B and Peter! ingenious puzzle indeed — I found SHIFTY the most satisfyingly clever. The only (very small) fly in the ointment was the use of C=musical key in lo-tech – I know it’s a common technique (clueing any of A-G as key but it feels slightly weak). but overall another brendanian tour de force!

7. That was a lot of fun. SHIFTY was definitely brilliant. Failed to parse loi SENTRY but now I see it.

   Thanks Brendan and PeterO

8. Wonder how someone in the early 1990’s would have gone with this one? All of the terms here now in common parlance. The SHIFT Y wordplay was indeed ‘devious’ and the SENTRY def was almost as good.

   DRIVES would qualify as a cryptic def for me. Just joking.

   Thanks to Brendan and PeterO

9. Good stuff as usual from Brendan.

   Bit depressing that ENGINEER has been reduced to a software designer.

   SHIFTY & SENTRY were my pick of the crop.

   Many thanks both.

10. Finally spotted a theme which made for a quick solve. Lots of clever stuff especially SHIFTY and the plural EMOTICON. Has anyone seen this trick before?
    Thanks Brendan and PeterO.

11. Liked INTERNET, SCOTTISH, MEMORY, SHIFTY (loi).

    I did not parse 15d (only got as far as anagram of economist less S).

    New: PROG = software (for 18ac).

    Thanks, both.

12. Superb and enjoyable puzzle, which I completed despite the fact that the theme is not my strong suit by a long way.

13. Brilliant.
    Favourites SENTRY, MEMORY, SCOTTISH, ENGINEER, EMOTICON, SHIFTY, but those are very much first among equals because it’s all superb.
    And surely, William @9, the “say” makes it clear that the ENGINEER might be a software designer or might be someone who designs bridges.
    And for those with long memories, there are other options –
    Thanks Brendan, thanks PeterO,

14. Some day, I’ll learn how to do links on this site properly…

15. Another Brendan masterclass in gridfill and setting with a theme evident in both clues and solutions, interspersed with humour and cunning devices. How he managed to incorporate so much, I cannot imagine. The standout clues – among so many worthy competitors – are already rising to the top in terms of mentions. SHIFTY, SENTRY, EMOTICON, STATISTICS, SYSTEM and, finally, ULTIMATE. But, to be honest, everything was a delight. With one very minor quiblet – I’m not sure a cur is necessarily aggressive but it’s a very small point.

    DR W @4: I was a bit surprised to see LO-TECH; I didn’t know it had crossed the Atlantic. In which direction?

    Thanks Brendan and PeterO

16. Favourites EMOTICON and STATISTICS – anagrams with added twists, and SHIFTY. Not entirely sure that INTERNET is a “location” – it spans all the locations for surfing and much else – but that’s a minor complaint.
    Thanks Brendan and PeterO.

17. 25 years in IT finally pays off 🙂 I was expecting to have lots of quibbles over incorrect definitions but delighted to find none at all. Even INTERNET which you could describe yourself as “being on” etc. so seems fine in a cryptic. LOL for my LOI: SCOTTISH. Hopefully no-one takes offence!
    Cheers B&P

18. Superb puzzle from Brendan today. 17d SENTRY is absolutely brilliant.
    Thanks all.

19. Interesting question from WordPlodder @8 (whose moniker reminds me of WordPerfect, which we were still using in the early 90’s). It probably depends on where you worked. As well as word processors (for 9ac), we definitely had SPREADSHEETS (SuperCalc, Logistix). E-mail (for 10ac, but always hyphenated back then) had begun internally but we weren’t hooked up to the INTERNET, or even knew what an internet was. OPENing and CLOSing files, CURSORs, SCROLLing, and CUT AND PASTE would all be OK, as would software REPROGRAMming, hard DRIVES and MEMORY (wot no floppies?). And the SYSTEM was always crashing. But EMOTICON – no chance 🙁

    I’m another SHIFTY fan – our hypothetical 1990 solver could have solved the clue and maybe parsed it, even if they were still bashing away on an old typewriter – although Yahoo was still a twinkle in somebody’s eye.

    Many thanks Brendan and PeterO.

20. I can only echo what everyone has said so far. This was superb. And I have spotted the theme 2 days running. That could be a first for me!! Thanks to Brendan and PeterO.

21. Another very enjoyable crossword, I do love Brendan’s puzzles. Thank you to him and to you PeterO – should your explanation of 20d SYSTEM show that ‘work’ needs to be lifted and separated from ‘network’ to give the anagram indicator (that’s how I parsed it, anyway)?

22. Very enjoyable. The theme was pretty obvious from reading a few clues, never mind solving any of them! I failed on 11ac because as a non-techie I wasn’t aware of it as a unit of computer data. Eventually as it was my last one in I plumped for LOAD but with little confidence.

23. Well, I thought that was fun and very clever, and I’m no great fan of themes. I guess most people now are fairly familiar with the terminology, but I certainly know some who would have struggled. It’s an age thing.

    My favourite was SHIFTY, but it was one among many. I bunged in SCOTTISH without too much thought. Sottish is a very odd word.

    As we’re doing trips down memory lane, my career in IT started in ’69, except then it was known as Data Processing. So I was looking for references to punch cards and paper tape. 😉

    Many thanks Brendan and PeterO.

24. Brendan is a master of the thematic grid fill, and this is a tour de force. And even I couldn’t fail to spot the theme from just a few entries.

    This is where I’m afraid I diverge from the general tenor of the comments. The theme was so pervasive that I was finding too many write-ins, sometimes barely even having to look at the clue. Consequently I didn’t enjoy this as much as I usually do – I was very pleased to see Brendan’s name this morning as he is among my favourite setters.

    Nevertheless there are some cracking clues – I go along with the plaudits for SHIFTY, SENTRY and EMOTICON.

    Thanks to S&B

25. I’m in total agreement with NeilH @13: I remember the cricketer and I sometimes have the same problem with links – I still don’t know what does it.

    (If someone had told me what the theme was before I began, I’d have thought I didn’t have a chance – but I amazed myself: I knew them all except 2dn.)

26. And I can’t believe I forgot to express huge thanks to Brendan and PeterO.

27. Great stuff. This one definitely gives the lie to the theory that sitters run out of inventiveness as thy reach the South East corner as SENTRY SHIFTY and EMOTICON were all very clever. I find it difficult to remember what we did and didn’t have in the 80s. Were there paper spreadsheets before computer ones?

28. He is pretty special.

29. Very good, nice theme. Unfortunately I’m old enough to remember a cricketer who was an Engineer.

30. Yes, PeterO, I certainly did enjoy this as much as you. Lovely stuff from Brendan, hugely enjoyable. SHIFTY, SCOTTISH, EMOTICON (“great accounting” as Tony S @5 says). Could mention loads more, so much fun.

    Gervase @24 – I get what you mean. There were a few clues that in a non-themed crossword would have been more successful in their misdirection – eg “location for surfing” – but I just took delight in the creativity of the clueing rather than the challenge of the solving.

31. Good fun and I too spotted the theme, which could hardly be missed. I was sure that given this grid we would have a nina around the outside, but sadly it was not to be.

    Petert@27: a primitive form of spreadsheet existed before computers. Dan Bricklin invented Visicalc after watching a presentation of someone laying out a table of economic formulae on a blackboard.

32. Brief but fun.

    Another vote for SHIFTY, along with TETRIS (I never moved beyond this as a gamer, but was seriously addicted for a while, and still live my life by its teachings).

    Thanks to Brendan and PeterO.

33. Fantastic, master grid-filling from Brendan. I don’t know how he managed to incorporate so many themed entries, chapeau!

    I had many that I enjoyed, including SPREADSHEET, SHIFTY, SCOTTISH, CUT AND PASTE, EMOTICON, SENTRY and SYSTEM. The theme certainly helped in solving some, but I found it all very entertaining.

    Thanks Brendan and PeterO.

34. Conrad @21
    In 20D, SYSTEM isn’t an anagram as the letters are there in order once every ‘a’ is removed from ‘say, as a team’: a clever device from Brendan. Just for a change!

    So ‘Network’ is the definition, with no need to split net from work.

35. Thanks Brendan and PeterO
    A brilliant gridfill, but I’m with Gervase in finding it a bit tedious (and rather easy) to solve. I loved SCOTTISH, though.

36. The obvious theme led me to almost all the solutions without breaking a sweat. The non-themed SCOTTISH required a bit of brain strain. I thought the SHIFTY clue was rather clever. Mostly I was parsing post-biff, which is one way of enjoying the setter’s wit and whimsy.
    Thanks to Brendan and PeterO for their work.

37. Fast and fun to complete – so fast that I now realise I didn’t bother to parse everything. Those I did parse I particularly enjoyed, including SENTRY, SYSTEM, STATISTICS. I smiled at SCOTTISH and CUT AND PASTE.

    I don’t think I recall any previous puzzle where every light is themed either in clue or solution.

38. Great fun, thank you Brendan & PeterO.
    Loved SHIFTY – devious indeed.
    It’s an impressive grid (looks like a computer chip?) with lots of witty bits and bytes.
    So much is thematically linked – is there a significant Scottish software engineer too?

39. Thanks for the blog, payback for yesterday, if ever a puzzle was designed to annoy me this was it. Some very good clues though and most people seemed to enjoy it so fair enough.

40. 1961Blanchflower @34 – oh yes, so it is! I completely missed that excellent device, thank you!

41. Thank you PeterO for the IN of ENGINEER although like Tim C@3 I am still not sure about it – I had got EN for ENglish (commonly seen abbreviation) and wondered if GIN had another obscure meaning of which I was unaware. Also wasn’t sure about WORD as a “unit of computer data” and think of motivational factors as drivers rather than drives but probably just me being thick.
    Anyway I enjoyed this despite the theme being essentially a summary of the day job, thanks to the creativity and wit (hope no Scots were offended in the solving of this puzzle). But must of all delighted to have remembered something originating well before the digital age: SC = Namely!
    Thanks Brendan.
    [PS 1961Blanchflower I look forward to your new religion founded on the philosophical principles of Tetris – the mind boggles!]

42. My heart sank inwardly initially when a brief scan of the clues made it apparent that there was a theme based on computers and IT. But after a few tentative solves I realised that Brendan was being gentle with non computer savvy bods like me. So actually quite enjoyed this ultimately. Last two in the intersecting LO-TECH and SCROLL. Liked the rather tongue in cheek humour throughout, too, particularly the amusing misdirection for SENTRY…

43. Very clever and impressively structured puzzle. Getting pretty much everything to fit with the theme was quite a feat!

    Only two queries: how is ‘word’ a unit of computer data? And a CD isn’t really a record.

44. Steve69 @43 Word can be a computer term. On the IBM systems on which I worked many moons ago, a Word was 4 bytes. A byte was 8 bits. We also referred to halfwords and double words. I don’t think this definition is true for all computer manufacturers.

45. As non techy 8o year old only stumped by tertis but did see Farouk Engineer fab batsman
    Shifty magnificent.

46. I’m not a fan of themed crosswords, but this one is – as someone has already said, a ‘tour de force’. Most impressive. Thank you, Brendan.

47. With you Gazzh@41 on WORD – it was my last in, pressed the check button expecting it to disappear and still don’t get the definition. Other than that all went in nicely though whilst admiring the setting skill the theme made it a bit duller than I usually find Brendan to be.

48. petert@27 and poc @31 – I’ve seen a typewriter in a reconstructed WW2 office with an extra wide platen with a label describing it as designed for typing accounts, known at that time as spreadsheets. This could of course have been preceded by handwritten spreadsheets.

49. Cedric@45 agree with you over the wonderful SHIFTY!

50. This was simply excellent. A triumph of setting with every clue being satisfying. I too liked SHIFTY best – and it was my last one in

51. Thanks Brendan for another masterclass. Full of excellent surfaces, clever clues and definitions plus the fun and games of a themed puzzle. Too many favourites but stand-outs for me were PENNED, EMOTICON, SHIFTY and the edgy but clever SCOTTISH.
    Thx to PeterO for the blog.

52. Thoroughly enjoyed this and compleytely agree with bodycheetah@17, not a quibble about terminology.

    Essexboy@19, sideways text emoticons were in use on early BBS as early as maybe 1984 or 1985 as I remember seeing them back then. Probably before then too.

    Steve69@43, Crossbar@44
    See here for word in computing, AFAIK its valid for all processors. Possibly not current though.

    Thanks Brendan and PeterO.

53. Matt S @47 a word is the basic unit in which a computer handles data and the size depends on the processor design. The original PC had a 16 bit processor and therefore a 16 bit word. These days most PCs have 64 bit processors.

54. Thanks Brendan and PeterO

    I think IN = SMART is fine – “The In Crowd” and “The Smart Set” seem to me to be the same thing. OK, you possibly couldn’t swap them, but the meaning is identical.

    Steve69 @ 43 A record is a store of information/data, be it analogue (in whatever form) or digital. A CD holds information/date. QED

55. Thanks for the link Blah @52. I found there the details for the first computer on which I worked, an IBM 360. People would laugh at how much memory we had to play with then. 32K on the particular model we were using. Ah yes, I remember it well. 😀

56. Thank you Crossbar@44, Blah@52, ravenrider@53 and anyone else for WORD. I may even have known that once – oh dear…

    Simon S@54 yes I think that will have to do for IN, thanks.

57. To William @9 and NeilH @13 (and others). If you want another ENGINEER, have a look at today’s Tees in the Indy. It’s worth it.

    To essexboy @19 – Lotus 123 was my SPREADSHEET of choice back in 1993. Better than Excel back then. That’s what they said about WordPerfect too. Them were the days.

58. It’s a sign of our times (and Brendan’s skill) that words known mostly to computer geeks 35 years ago can be included in a popular daily crossword. I echo DrW@4: this was up my street too. I liked the breadth of references whilst not losing those less familiar with computing. It takes a lot of skill and Brendan hit the perfect pitch.

    I had digital ticks for most and thankfully others have already praised them. I’ll just mention how impish it was to have some verbal arithmetic in the clue for STATISTICS.

    Having written many programs using datatypes of WORD, my LOI in was … WORD! [The PDP-11 used 16-bit WORDs. Its successor (VAX) introduced LONGWORD (2xWORD=32-bit) and QUADWORD (64-bit). Windows continues this tradition but uses DWORD (32-bit) and QWORD (64-bit) for larger sizes 😉 ]

    [Coincidently, yesterday evening, I thought of Brendan as I was reading a book Roz recommended (or rather the renamed 2nd Ed: The Universe That Discovered Itself). She, Brendan and I briefly discussed whether maths is discovered or invented or both. Brendan/Brian: I recall you said you’re working on this topic and, if you haven’t already seen it, there’s a chapter dedicated to the question, with a fascinating (fictitious) dialogue between a Platonist and non-Platonist.]

    Thanks to Brendan for a hugely enjoyable crossword and to PeterO.

59. [ Gazzh @41 – I may have been exaggerating a bit when I said I live my life by Tetris’s teachings, but I am a dab hand at squeezing everything into the car boot, so maybe it’s more practical than philosophical in its benefit.]

60. Cedric@45 – still solving @80, you are an inspiration to this 67 year old! And it’s never too late to get hooked on TETRIS…

61. The theme made this surprisingly straightforward, with so many commonly used terms involved.

    All good fun, with the “cutting out articles” device for SYSTEM my favourite.

    SPREADSHEET screamed off the page but the clue had an immaculate surface.

    Thanks to Brendan and PeterO

62. [1961B @59 – I’ve never been a big computer game player but I did have addictive spells with Space Invaders, Minesweeper, Lemmings and Tetris 🙂 ]

63. [1961Blanchflower @59 Handy for packing suitcases too. This from the Perry Bible Fellowship may amuse you]

64. https://pbfcomics.com/comics/game-boy/

65. [Apologies my first attempt at the link for the Gameboy Tetris failed miserably]

66. 5d Since to me a cur isn’t necessarily an aggressive dog, just a dog referred to insultingly, I thought the definition was “aggressive.” That held me up until I got the O in WORD. The parsing of SHIFTY defeated me totally.

    Michelle@11 PROG isn’t software. REPROGRAMS parses as PRO (for) GR (king) inside REAMS (lots of paper).

    Great fun. No programmer here, but I knew all the terms — even TETRIS sounded like something I’d heard of, though I didn’t know more than that. Thanks Brendan and PeterO.

67. Not much more to add to the praise so far for a very enjoyable puzzle, except to say that I thought the clue for 23a was delightfully devious and wondered if that made it recursive?

    Thanks to Brendan and PeterO

68. Excellent from the ‘Irish setter’ mentioned in Vulcan’s puzzle on Monday. Good theme with precise and wonderfully well-written clues.

69. Crossbar: another IBM360 programmer here (and ICL System 4 before that, which used similar words, halfwords, double words etc. And it took me forever to get WORD.

    A theme right up my data highway, but somehow I wasn’t in the mood for it. Liked SHIFTY and SENTRY though.

    For a while we all got addicted to that text adventure where you wind up in a little maze of twisty passages, all different – a feeling that some of the more ingenious setters can easily reproduce!

70. Crossbar @44 / Blah @52 – thank you for your explanation of word.

    Simon S @54 I’m not completely convinced by that. A book or a phone or a tablet hold information – not sure clueing any of those with ‘record’ would work!

71. [Crossbar @63-65: thanks, loved the cartoon!]

72. Steve69 @70 – You’re just showing your age, really. What you call “a record” would generally be referred to by The Kids these days as “a vinyl”.

    I for one have no problem with the generic term “record” being used in a broad, format-agnostic sense to include CDs.

73. A band would have a new record coming out, even when, for some years , they were just on CD .

74. Roz @73
    The band would almost certainly talk about a “new album” rather than “new record”; “album” could mean vinyl, CD, or cassette tape (remember that?).

    (btw is there some weird autocorrect going on? I noticed that I had typed “certianly”, went back to correct, and it still came out as “certianly”!)

75. [Prior to TETRIS et al. there were text-based “adventure” games. I remember playing Colossal Cave Adventure (lots of little twisty passages, all alike) on a PDP-10, I think, at BBN, in 1977. This inspired Zork, and ultimately Myst.]

76. Steve69@70 I struggled with record = cd first few times but if you think of record as short for recording it gets easier – although I suppose, if we accept that, you could equally clue “tape” or “cassette” as record which would probably still jar with me.

    [Crossbar@63/64, new to me and bookmarked,thank you.
    1961Blanchflower@59 fair enough but if you can at least produce a pamphlet along the lines of the 10 Commandments it would come in very handy for family holidays, trips to the tip etc.]

77. [Gazzh @79 – a TETRIS pamphlet? I’ll see if I can fit it in.

    And I will be bookmarking the cartoon too. My kind of thing I suspect. Thanks to Crossbar @64.]

78. widdersbel @72 I have come across the dreadful use of ‘vinyls’ and it makes me shudder!

    Roz @73 I think muffin @74 is right – an album is the generic term for a new release (whatever format) but record means a vinyl LP.

79. [DrW @75 – yesterday, by a strange coincidence, I was completing the Advent of Code 2019 puzzles and the final day happened to be an adventure game! Generally for this type of puzzle you could use BFS/DFS to programmatically find the answer. Instead, I wrote some scaffolding to input/output from a console and played the text-based game. At one point, when you enter a room, the game refers to “little twisty passages” in what must be a nod to those early days of gaming. It was a trip down memory lane 🙂 ]

80. Steve69, Roz, muffin – I recall using the expression “they have a new record coming out, rather than album, because at one point albums referred to vinyl. Not to let a dictionary get in the way of a debate but Chambers has record as “a disc (or formerly a cylinder) on which sound is registered for reproduction by an instrument such as a record player”. This sounds to me sufficiently generic to include vinyl and CDs.

81. Steve69 @ 70

    A history book is a record of events, and a phonebook is a record of names, addresses etc.

    Minutes of a meeting are a record of what was discussed and happened – the phrase ‘for the record’ certainly doesn’t refer to round groovy things.

    My phone contains a record of my contacts and my various interactions with them.

82. [1961Blanchflower, Gazzh, Steve69 you’re welcome.
    Gladys @69 we’re showing our age here. 😉 There was a sort of IBM / ICL rivalry – American giant v plucky little British company.
    I recommend the Perry Bible Fellowship cartoons to all. They’re excellent, if sometimes a little unsettling. I think they used to appear regularly for a short time in the Graun (on Saturday?). I certainly came across them in some regular publication. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.]

83. Simon S @81 Not arguing with any of that, but it’s getting away from the original point about the clue. If ‘in record’ was meant to denote that the solution began with PH and ended in ONE I don’t think that would be a fair clue. For me, it doesn’t work with CD either.

84. Brendan could have used album rather than record – the surface is almost as good.

85. Very good stuff from Brendan today, and fun to solve. I saw BOOTED UP pretty well immediately but didn’t spot the theme until I realised that there were multiple mentions of files in the clues. Looking at the solutions makes it clearer, of course. Particularly liked SHIFTY (like many above) and STATISTICS.

86. Nice one Brendan. Also up my IT street. I had it done last night with SCOTTISH my favourite. Unlike Dr W @4 I rarely try to solve from the theme but maybe it just lurks in brain and helps.
    And Dr W @75 there was Indiana Jones which I never solved – so slow!

    Thanks to PeterO

87. [As I remember it, there were two twisty mazes, one where all the little passages were alike, and you needed to drop objects as you went so you could find your way around, and one where all the passages were different, indicated by subtle differences in the wording of each description – little maze of twisty passages, maze of twisty little passages, etc etc.]

88. Very, very clever.
    Being a SQL Developer of long standing certainly helped, though disappointed that ‘cartesian product’ could not be fitted in to the crossword somewhere!
    Thanks all.

89. IMHO the parsing of EMOTICON was a bit of a reach, even though the answer was obvious. But otherwise, a brilliant puzzle…

90. As Eileen said, I knew all the answers as it turns out, even (in my case) TETRIS, which I’d vaguely heard of. But I have to say I only understand about a third of the comments!

91. Oi, what happened to my edited out comment?

92. William@9
    One of my sons, the one with a first and a DPhil in Physics, is an engineer who designs software. I think he merits the title as much as mechanical and electrical engineers. They are all designers, which is more than can be said of the man who comes to fix the oven, or even drive an American train.
    Thanks to Brendan and PeterO. I too was worried by the theme but, apart from 2d, all was within my GK.

93. Pino
    I think that William was suggesting that reducing “engineer” to software developer was rather underselling the profession(s).

94. DT @91
    See the Site Feedback page.

95. Crossword completed by candlelight during obligatory rural power cut. They really must be getting easier.

96. I apologise for my comment. I thought I was being funny but there is no place for that type of behaviour on this forum.

97. Not that it proves anything, but for the benefit of anyone still reading, I just heard Huw Stephen’s on the radio introduce the new Elbow song as being “…from their recent record, Flying Dream 1…”

98. widdersbel@97 – as Huw Stephens is one of those young people, there is no guarantee that he is using the language properly. Inadmissible evidence.

99. How about the two SOED quotes:
    (1) P. Auster He put on a record—Haydn’s opera..—and listened to it. (2) Face These bands don’t realise they can’t make records as good as the Stones.

100. I watched a live-streamed concert the other day, and the artist mentioned that the program featured music from her most recent record. When I went to buy it, it was only available as a download.

     Muffin@84, I remember people used to refer to vinyl LPs as albums, but I hardly ever hear CDs called albums. If Brendan had used “album” instead of “record”, it would have steered me away from CD.

     Thanks Brendan for another brilliantly constructed themed puzzle. Pace Roz, even though computer technology is not up my alley, I found it user-friendly and digitally manageable. Favourite was 20d SYSTEM.

     And thanks PeterO for the helpful blog.

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