Guardian Cryptic 28,837 by Brummie

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1. I thought “possibly yielding” was a bit of an odd anagrind for ESTANCIERO, and wasn’t sure whether a plonker was a KISS.

   Favourites were SPAR for ‘beatbox’, STOP LIGHT for the reverse clue and the best, MISTAKE for the deceptive force=make.

2. Clever. Indeed until I had the benefit of manehi’s explanation, SPAR was too clever for me – it was clear what the answer had to be but I couldn’t make the wordplay work.
   The surface for SUNDAE is so good the clue is almost an &lit. I particularly liked TAIL LIGHT, too.
   Thanks to Brummie and manehi.

3. Thanks Brummie and manehi
   Fairly straightforward except for the SW. I’ve never heard plonker for KISS, and couldn’t quite see hown it worked. I didn’t parse PINT POT either.
   Other compilers, Philistine for example, probably wouldn’t have included “when given space” in 12a. I’ve learned to look for “lift and separate” clues, so the addition in fact confused me.
   Favourites MISPRINT and ARTIC SKUA.

4. Classic Brummie, fair and amusing, what a treat!
   Favourites; all of them but particularly IRON CURTAIN.
   Didn’t need help with parsing today, but thank you, manehi, and huge thanks to Brummie

5. Thanks Brummie & manehi. I fairly breezed through this, very much on Brummie’s wavelength, except… I did notice there was more one word meaning mistake but didn’t even consider that was a theme, and I completely failed to spot the “beatbox with space” trick – was left wondering why “space” meant SPAR… doh!

   It’s very generous of Brummie to tell us we need to put the space in, Philistine wouldn’t have been so kind, but it only caused me confusion!

6. Enjoyed this. Needed some parsings though, thanks for the blog. I actually found this easier than yesterday, somehow, but I think I was just not on Vulcan’s wavelength.

   I still don’t get LIGHT=solution to a crossword clue though?

7. Cross-posted with muffin @3 – great minds…

8. Yes IRON CURTAIN was also my favourite and my FOI, having stared for ages at an empty grid. Lots of ticks for a very clever puzzle all round. Also spotted the theme at the end. NHO of ESTANCIERO but fair.

   Ta Brummie & manehi

9. That was satisfying as even I saw the theme and wondered about including ADMIT DEFEAT. Admittedly I didn’t parse all the bits of EXEMPLAR, but the rest all made perfect sense. New to me ESTANCIERO. I liked BACKSTOP, when I saw it, although that SW corner held out to last.

   Thank you to manehi and Brummie.

10. Khayyam @6 light is what the space you fill in on a crossword grid is called. Light is a nice ambiguous word, also meaning window and/or window pane. (I’m playing on this building a geocache puzzle).

11. I really enjoyed this with favourite being RANDINESS for the clever hidden, though it could be SPAR now its been explained. SUNDAE is an &lit (over here at least). I’ve come across LIGHT=solution to a crossword clue previously in these blogs, but can someone please explain?
    Thanks manehi and Brummie.

12. I also struggled with the south west corner. Trying to fight off covid, which has given me a sort of brain fog among other things, certainly hasn’t helped. I especially liked ARCTIC SKUA and IRON CURTAIN. With thanks to both.

13. I think KISS = X = “wrong” could be added to the theme.
    Thanks to manehi and Brummie

14. Thanks Shanne@10 it looks like you answered my question before I asked it.

15. Widdersbel @7
    🙂

16. Although I didn’t get the “lift and seperate” instruction in 12, I think it adds elegance to the clue.

17. Very enjoyable. Spotted the theme early on but it didn’t help with my last few in, namely TAIL LIGHT, BACKSTOP and the unparsed PINT POT; not a term I’m familiar with. Despite the helpful instructions I was also slow to lift and separate for SPAR.

    I couldn’t parse EXEMPLAR either and can’t recall having seen ‘confiscates’ as a containment indicator before.

    Thanks to Brummie and manehi

18. Top marks for a hidden spanning four words – has any setter used more?

    Today’s earworm can only be Prince’s classic KISS

19. Interesting theme, good fun. I’d only learnt last week from another puzzle that a plonker was a British dill, and now I find there’s another meaning! (Which was nowhere to be found in several of the references I consulted — but I found it eventually.)

    Hadn’t heard of ESTANCIERO, and was unaware that pilsener was able to be abbreviated.

    My favourite was IRON CURTAIN.

20. I parsed MISTAKE more simply, as MIS-TAKE, but your version makes more sense, even if it is an indirect anagram *peers over glasses at setter*. I got TAIL LIGHT without knowing that a LIGHT was a solution to a crossword clue, but it’s definition 22 out of 22 in my Chambers! Every day’s a school day. I spotted the theme just about early enough for it to help with some of the more stubborn later clues. I thought RANDINESS was nicely hidden. BEDBUG and MISPRINT were both rather clever.

    I was almost defeated by ESTANCIERO as I hadn’t spotted the anagrind but had enough crossers, and a bit of lucky bunging-and-checking filled in the last gaps.

    An enjoyable puzzle, and no MISTAKE. Thanks both.

21. I’m with muffin and Widdersbel in being bamboozled by the ‘helpful instructions’ for 12ac!

    I agree with NeilH re the clever SUNDAE and am inclined to agree with Paul @11 that it is &lit.

    I also liked the cleverly-hidden RANDINESS and ERROR. – not so keen on GONNA, though.

    I’m struggling to understand the definition in 27ac and think I’m being a bit dim.

    Thanks to Brummie for an enjoyable puzzle and manehi for the blog.

22. Me @1 TAIL not STOP and I liked it not because it’s reverse (I was thinking of BACKSTOP which I also liked) but because of ‘solution to this clue = light’.

    GeoffDownUnder @19 I was also looking for a word meaning what Aussies would call a dropkick which put me off the Kiss solution for ages trying to think of other winter sports gear of 4 letters that translated to Dill or the like.

23. Eileen@21, I had to look up PINT POT and found it relates to a say about trying to fit a quart into a pint pot.

24. Tim C @22 a dropkick or maybe a bogan?

25. Eileen @21 – I assumed “less capacity than you might like” was an allusion to trying to fit a quart into a pint pot. Slightly loose as a definition, perhaps, but works well enough for me.

26. Many thanks, Paul and Widdersbel – I was being dim! I was thinking a pint of beer was a pretty reasonable measure. 😉

27. Thanks Shane @10.

28. Geoff Down Under @24, both bogan and galah have one too many letters.
    Eileen @26… or maybe a pint pot is just not enough. Better go down the grog shop and get a flagon (1 quart) or a 4 litre (2 quarts) goon bag of Cab Sav.

29. I followed Roz’s helpful advice from the other day and scrutinised the little words, so, for once, was on Brummie’s wavelength today. That didn’t stop me trying to make something out of SLED and DEL’S for the plonker and winter sports equipment, though.

30. Why is a ‘light’ a crossword clue? I was told long ago that it’s because the answers to clues are written on the light-coloured squares.

31. Just couldn’t get or see SPAR, even with two crossers firmly in place. Struggled finally with the SE corner, never saw KISS as a plonker, prefer the more passionate kind!, TAIL LIGHT, BACKSTOP and PINTPOT very gradually and slowly revealed themselves. Strictly a DNF this morning…

32. Median@30: I think it could be that when you solve a clue, you see the light.

33. I saw the theme but it didn’t help me much.

    Why did I put in ARCTIC tern? Because it fitted, doh! Eventually I realised it wouldn’t work. I liked the well-hidden RANDINESS, IRON CURTAIN for the two meanings of hanging, MISPRINT for the surface, and BACKSTOP for the reversal.

    Thanks Brummie and manehi.

34. … I normally think of a light as a light-coloured square, but thanks to RobT @20, I see it’s also used for the solution.

35. Very difficult. I finished but I don’t know how. I just bunged in several without being able to parse them, so manehi’s explanations were very useful. The “beatbox” kind of clue I’d never be able to get in a million years!

36. [Geoff @19, since you’re Down Under, you probably missed out on this series of ads for Holsten PILS in the 80’s.

    Curiously, there was a thing the other day on the BBC website about Miriam Margolyes and how she now ‘looks up to bogans’. When I look up to bogans, I find I’ve misspelt Petert’s reverse Delboy’s.]

37. I should of added that I realy licked the crossword (and the thmee). Thanks Bumble and maniac.

38. It’s not clear to me why it’s called a light although it’s defined in Chambers as “a hint, clue, help towards understanding…. in a crossword, the word (or sometimes an individual letter in the word) on the diagram that is the answer to a clue…..”
    I’ve known the term for over 40 years, since the days I used to do The Listener crossword where it would often appear in the preamble. I suspect it’s a mixture of the ideas of window (like the non-dark squares) and the idea of enlightenment as Chambers suggests.
    Val Gilbert, the crossword editor for the Telegraph from 1976 to 2006 has a book called “A Display Of Lights (9): The Lives and Puzzles of the Telegraph’s Six Greatest Cryptic Crossword Setters”

39. Not a lot of point in writing the answers in the black squares!

40. Not a lot of point trying to look through a brick wall!

41. Thanks for the blog, really enjoyed this . As mentioned by Bodycheetah, RANDINESS is very well hidden. Agree with other favourites mentioned.
    Minor quibble, I would prefer not to have the extra hint for the Playtex clue for SPAR , or the reversal for BACKSTOP .

42. Liked BEDBUG, CLANGER, MISPRINT, OMISSION.

    Did not understand def of 12ac (S + rev of RAP).
    I did not parse 1d.

    New: PLONKER = kiss.

    Did not see the theme.

    Thanks, both.

43. TimC Muffin RobT and others

    This is a link to crossword unclued which has a good explanation of “lights”. There is a lot of info and advice for enthusiasts of crossword, and a very good tribute to Rishi a former blogger who died in April

    https://www.crosswordunclued.com/2016/06/lights-white-squares-in-crossword-grid.html

44. Does the BUG (=flaw in a system, esp. a computer) in BEDBUG count as a theme word?

45. Cliveinfrance @43
    Thanks for that. Nothing to do with white squares, then!

46. essexboy @36, thanks for that link. Miriam’s three programs have aired very recently here, and were well worth a look. Australia, warts and all. Make sure you watch them on the Beeb!

47. Good spot TW@44, I would say BUG belongs in the list.

    Very enjoyable thanks Brummie. And thanks to manehi for sorting out SPAR and the rest. ESTANCIERO was unsurprisingly unfamiliar but pretty clear. SKUA and auks are handy for setters.

    I was surprised Pils isn’t known as a drink everywhere, originally from Pilsen in the Czech Republic, but brewed all over as far as I know.

    RANDINESS was well disguised, and finding all the mistakes was fun.

48. Enjoyable but brief fun. As others have observed, this seemed on the easy side. Some definitions fairly leapt off the page eg 18a

    Favourite was PINT POT

    thanks Brummie and manehi

49. 14d I think that curtain is not so much “something hanging” as just a “hanging.”

    New to me: PLONKER, ESTANCIERO (though i knew “estancia,” so it wasn’t a stretch),

    Robi@33 I put in ARCTIC tern because I’d heard of it, but the tern part wouldn’t parse. Eventually the A from CLANGER make me think of another kind of bird — or two kinds, come to think of it.

    Got the whole thing last night. Thanks, Brummie and manehi.

50. Just wrangled the last two to the floor (SPAR & MISPRINT). I find it very pleasing when a clue that’s been fighting back finally surrenders. As I was doing it I thought to myself ARCTIC SKUA is quite an easy one for those with a working knowledge of British seabirds (eg me), but must have been a tricky one for others.

    I looked for a theme, but didn’t find it! Major failing there! 😉

    Now to read all the comments. I do like this site.

51. Thanks for that link, CIF @ 43

52. Quite a testing crossword for me. Thanks manehi for a couple of explanations (SPAR and PINT POT).
    I wondered if the KISS acronym (keep it simple, stupid) was another nod to the theme?

53. That was good fun and quite Tuesday-ish I thought. Favourites were RANDINESS and BACKSTOP. ‘Light’ = crossword clue answer is my learning for today, along with ESTANCIERO being acceptable as an English word. Never seen ‘pt’ as an abbreviation of ‘port’; is it the drink or the opposite of starboard? Thanks Brummie and Manehi.

54. Paul @ 53 I think it’s cartographic, eg Pt Talbot.

55. Paul @53. I also wondered about ESTANCIERO being acceptable as an English word, and I found it in Chambers under “estancia”. PT as an abbreviation for ‘port’ is also in Chambers, but I was surprised to find it in lower case (pt), as I’d expected it to be used on maps where space is at a premium, such as Pt Talbot, perhaps. I found it in Longmans Dictionary online, with the example of Pt Moresby.

56. I don’t understand how TAIL LIGHT is a warning device. Stop light or brake light might work but tail light?

57. Sadoldsweat @56
    Warning you not to run into the car in front when it’s dark?

58. What a fun puzzle! My new word for the day: PLONKER (I assume this is British?)

59. Thanks manehi as I didn’t get the instructions in 12a either, but while the clue works without the ‘hint’ I agree with Paul@16 that it works with the surface. At least I am not the only one to miss that point and I wonder how many people took as long as I did to get essexboy’s pun@36? Is it too late to ask you to get your cagoule (I understand that the dry spell has broken)? Thanks Brummie, very enjoyable and certainly not too easy for me.

60. Did anyone else call hard confectionery a “sucker” as a child? I so wanted 19D to be a peppermint “humbug” before settling for BEDBUG. Remember “gobstoppers”?

61. [Thanks Gazzh @59 – it didn’t quite sleigh ‘em in the aisles, did it? Luge disappointment.]

62. I thought this was Boris themed. As well as all the mistake words there was also KABUL , set term, randiness. I really enjoyed this – thanks Brummie.

63. And Admit Defeat

64. CanberraGirl @63
    Can’t be Boris, then 🙂

65. Eileen @ 21

    GONNA in the same league as yesterdays’s ATTAGIRL!

    Also not keen.

66. Thanks to Brummie and manehi.
    Relatively gentle for Brummie I thought, but entertaining. Favourite, as a passionate Schubertian, was 5dn.
    13dn made me think of Bonxie (although that is the great, not the Arctic skua), who hasn’t set for a number of years.

67. A bit late doing this one…24 hours, but very satisfying. ESTANCIERO was new but guessable. ARCTIC SKUA favourite.
    Re Andy@65….I got GONNA thanks to ATTAGIRL which I didn’t. Missed the parsing of a couple including SPAR.

    Thanks to Brummie and manehi.

68. The “given space” actually helped me get SPAR. I potted the hidden word fairly early on, to my surprise, as hiddens often remain so for much longer.

    On 16d, I took “we” to mean “we British” rather “we crossword solvers” and spent far too long trying to justify it!

    Thanks, manehi, for answering the many I gave up on…

69. Oh, I struggled on 5d — I had learned the dynasty as SUNG (Wade-Giles) in the days before Pinyin.

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