The puzzle may be found at https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/cryptic/28922.
I thought of this as Paul in prime form, with a deftly used theme in plain sight at 6,10.
| ACROSS | ||
| 1 | GLASS WOOL |
Fibrous material in rope across width in rolled-over timber (5,4)
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| A double envelope (‘across’ and ‘in’) of W (‘width’) in LASSO (‘rope’) in GOL, a reversal (‘rolled over’) of LOG (‘timber’). | ||
| 6, 10 | RACECOURSE |
Bath, perhaps, where vulgar sounds detected behind people (10)
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| A charade of RACE (‘people’) plus COURSE, sounding like (‘sounds detected’) COARSE (‘vulgar’), with ‘behind’ indicating the order of the particles. | ||
| 8 | BARNACLE |
Sticker on vessel has cow’s head, around which written Farmer’s Brew? (8)
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| An envelope (‘around which written’) of C (‘Cow’s head’) in BARN ALE (‘Farmer’s Brew?” – with the question mark applying equally to the clue’s definition). | ||
| 9 | NOT OUT |
Test judgement, having turned on solicitor? (3,3)
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| A charade of NO, a reversal (‘turned’) of ‘on’, plus TOUT (‘solicitor’); the ‘test’ being a cricket match, of course. | ||
| 10 |
See 6
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| 11 | NICK-NACK |
Endlessly fine talent, novelty (4-4)
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| A charade of NIC[e] (‘fine’) plus KNACK (‘talent’). | ||
| 12 | APIECE |
For each person, a filled dish came unfilled (6)
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| A charade of ‘a’ plus PIE (‘filled dish’) plus CE (‘CamE unfilled’). | ||
| 15 | CHAPLAIN |
Old star with cane enslaves a minister (8)
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| An envelope (‘enslaves’) of ‘a’ in CHAPLIN (Charlie, ‘old star with cane’). | ||
| 16 | GOODWOOD |
Thoroughbred bay, say, for 6 10 (8)
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| GOOD WOOD (‘thoroughbred bay, say’ – ‘bay’ as a tree). | ||
| 19 | PETALS |
Piano rock repulsed pretty delicate little things (6)
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| A charade of P (‘piano’) plus ETALS, a reversal (‘repulsed’) of SLATE (‘rock’). | ||
| 21 | TRIANGLE |
A musical affair? (8)
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| Cryptic/double definition. | ||
| 22 | CRUDDY |
Dirty coat’s first darned (6)
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| A charade of C (‘Coat’s first’) plus RUDDY (‘darned’ as an imprecation). | ||
| 24 | MASCOT |
Lucky thing taking millions at 6 10 (6)
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| A charade of M (‘millions’) plus ASCOT (RACECOURSE, ‘6 10’). | ||
| 25 | FREETOWN |
Capital letter reversed lower cases? (8)
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| An envelope (‘cases’) of EET, a reversal (‘reversed’) of TEE (‘letter’) in FROWN (‘lower’, verb, to rhyme with tower; also spelled lour). It’s the capital of Sierra Leone. | ||
| 26 | VERY |
So everyone’s trapped (4)
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| A hidden answer (‘trapped’) in ‘eVERYone’. | ||
| 27 | DETHRONES |
Circled by bees, the drunk kicks out (9)
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| An envelope (‘circled by’) of ETH, an anagram (‘drunk’) of ‘the’ in DRONES (‘bees’). | ||
| DOWN | ||
| 1 | GUANO |
Fertiliser everyone can see fed to flipping old badger (5)
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| An envelope (‘fed to’) of U (film rating, ‘everyone can see’) in GANO, a reversal (‘flipping’) og NAG (‘badger’) plus O (‘old’). | ||
| 2 | AINTREE |
Isn’t grass cut for 6 10? (7)
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| A charade of AIN’T (‘isn’t’) plus REE[d] (‘grass’) minus the last letter (‘cut’). | ||
| 3, 22 | SACRE COEUR |
6 10 abroad, tourist destination not far from 5 (5,5)
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| An anagram (‘abroad’) of RACECOURSE (‘6 10’). | ||
| 4 | OCEANIC |
Nice skin of orca shimmering on sea, say, in deep water? (7)
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| A charade of OCEANI, an anagram (‘shimmering’) of ‘nice’ plus OA (‘skin of OrcA‘); plus C (‘sea, say’). | ||
| 5 | LONGCHAMP |
6 10 marathon winner (9)
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| A charade of LONG (‘marathon’) plus CHAMP (‘winner’). It’s in the Bois de Boulogne, near Paris (see 3,22). | ||
| 6 | RETINAL |
Proper screens an element of bronzing — catching rays? (7)
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| An envelope (‘screens’) of TIN (‘element of bronzing’ along with copper and perhaps other elements) in REAL (‘proper’). | ||
| 7, 23 | CHURCHILL DOWNS |
6 10 with the cloth on rough floors (9,5)
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| A charade of CHURCH (‘the cloth’) plus ILL (‘rough’) plus DOWNS (‘floors’, verb). It’s in Kentucky. | ||
| 13 | PROCREATE |
Father supporting container filled with last of wine (9)
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| An envelope (‘filled with’) of E (‘last of winE‘) in PRO (‘supporting’) plus CRATE (‘container’). | ||
| 14 | ELONGATED |
When massaged, a toned leg stretched (9)
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| An anagram (‘when massaged’) of ‘a toned leg’. | ||
| 17 | DIARCHY |
Homework covering principal rule of two (7)
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| An envelope (‘covering’) of ARCH (‘principal’) in DIY (Do It Yourself, ‘homework’). | ||
| 18 | DEEP FAT |
Something in the fryer, I appreciate that meal served up into which last of ketchup goes (4,3)
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| An envelope (‘into which … goes’) of P (‘last of ketchuP‘) in DEEFAT, a reversal (‘served up’ in a down light) of TA (‘I appreciate that’) plus FEED (‘meal’). | ||
| 20 | TAUNT ON |
Don’t stop making fun of 6 10 (7)
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| TAUNT ON (‘don’t stop making fun of’). | ||
| 22 |
See 3
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| 23 |
See 7
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British racecourses! Yippee! I just finished Guy’s in the FT, and thought I’d have a sticky-beak here while I waited for its blog …
My “don’t attempt” list has been diminishing over the past few months as I’ve gained experience, but I suspect that Paul will be the last one to go. Maybe one day … 😉
And stop press … they weren’t all British!
The challenge for me was that the gateway clue 6,10 was not so easy (in hindsight it’s not so bad), so I was stuck. Until I got CHURCHILL from a few crossers, then it all opened up.
For those who haven’t heard of DIARCHY, think of MONARCHY, then multiply by 2.
I was amused by PeterO’s “rhyme with tower” (for FREETOWN). So now the blog is cryptic too!
Tx P&P.
When I said “race course at Sacre Coeur??..” to my housemate she said “quel sacre lege”. Oh right, anagram, relax. Bit of work, this, for a geegee ignoramus, tho tbh, most were at least heard of. Churchill Downs must be where the Kentucky Derby ran while Jagger was in his basement room .. The sticker on vessel was cute … barn ale indeed! All fun, ta PnP.
Yes, Dr Wh, and lower as in more low had me thinking moo …
Off to a flying start with 6/10. Nay! Nay! Not a race course theme. Something i’m passionate about. Would like to see the tail end of them all. Oh well. Horses for courses. Thang goodness I brouught another crossie with me to while away the time waiting to pick my husband up from sugery. Liked SACRE COEUR.
As usual the 6,10a gateway clue wasn’t obvious and I reverse solved it by getting a few like AINTREE and the ASCOT bit of 24a first. Having the gateway clue as anagram fodder for 3,22d, with a thematic answer referred to in the def, was very clever.
I became stuck on thinking that KNACK for ‘talent’ was spelt without an initial K so 11a went in unparsed. Never heard of a DIARCHY, but I like Dr. WhatsOn @3’s “monarchy x2” to explain it.
Thanks to Paul and PeterO
What a frenzied moment that was! For me they all thundered past much quicker than yesterday’s Qaos (or Anto’s quiptic!) A fun ride though, thanks P & P.
[pdm @6 – hope the sugery went sweetly 🙂 ; agree with your sentiments re the tail end.]
Didn’t like 18 down much. As far as I’m concerned, it’s the fat fryer that is deep. Not a fryer for deep fat.
Thanks, Paul & PeterO. Agree it’s Paul in prime form, and great fun despite being rather hard work for me – I often have trouble getting on Paul’s wavelength and on first pass I had very little filled in. MASCOT was the one that cracked the theme open for me.
SACRE COEUR was my favourite. Spent far too long scratching my head trying to remember any Paris race courses other than Longchamp before the penny dropped. Doh!
Andy @9 – I disagree. It’s a fryer with deep fat, as opposed to the current fashion for a fryer with air.
Found this a bit unsatisfying. Racecourses aren’t the first things that come to mind when thinking of Bath or Taunton, so using Bath as an example was a bit much.
Andy @8 – the fat’s also deep, as that’s what’s needed for chips, doughnuts, etc.
Widderbel: I know, but I’ve never asked for a bottle of “deep fat” in a shop.
Andy @13. Fair point. Might be fun trying though!
Andy @13: I suspect you haven’t but if you’d asked for a small bottle, you’d have been forced to fry in shallow fat. A big bottle would result in the option to go deep.
Great crossword, thank you, Paul, for another with a numbered theme. AINTREE was my entry point early on.
Got stuck in bottom left corner, so slow to finish – kept trying to put M in some word for a charm.
And thanks PeterO
My first thought for 18D was CHIP FAT, other than it didn’t parse. Another one who solved the RACE COURSE clue having solved an example first, LONGCHAMP in my case. My race course knowledge comes from Dick Francis novels (cycling/driving alongside Chepstow and Towcester and the folk festivals held on Beverley and Cheltenham), so I worked out CHURCHILL DOWNS from crossers and then checked it existed.
Essexboy @8, I’d agree quicker than yesterday’s Qaos, but about the same as Anto’s Quiptic, I like Anto, just don’t think he writes Quiptics.
Thanks Paul and PeterO
I enjoyed this more than I usually do a Paul. I got off to a good start with RACECOURSE FOI, and it did help, though I’ve never heard of CHURCHILL DOWNS – nothing to do with our Churchills, apparently. I Googled to find a racecourse called SACRE COEUR, but only found a horse. Good clue – wish I had seen how it actually worked.
Other favourites BARNACLE and DETHRONES.
LONGCHAMP was my key to 6 10 here.
Favourites were BARNACLE and SACRE COEUR.
Liked this a lot. Horse racing not my strong suit but found the wordplay sufficiently helpful for me to get even the ones I haven’t heard of. A slow but satisfying solve for me today. Thanks Paul and PeterO.
As first one in was AINTREE, I was quickly onto the mini theme. I’m not one of these people whose mission in life is to visit every UK racecourse, but it has been my pleasure in the past to spend a day at the races at Taunton, Bath and Goodwood. Thought APIECE a particularly tricky little clue. Last one in today DEEP FAT. Usual fun and games with Paul, thanks to PeterO too…
DEEP FAT. Jesus.
Thanks, PeterO, I agree with your first comment. True to form, Paul divides opinion on the Guardian page, but that’s mainly a case of some not liking themes, cross-references or difficult puzzles. I thought this was really great, with my favourites the same as @20 Lyssian’s. To nitpick (a bit, and with deep respect), there’s @13 Andy’s point – and does anyone use bay for timber? Terrible waste – or have I missed something yet again?
Saw MASCOT straightways so that gave me the theme
Trouble is lazy parsing and haste lead me to GRASS WOOD instead of GLASS WOOL
And then to find there was a sort of a marathon at Doncaster sent me up the garden path
So it took a check button to show me the way and I really liked Longchamp
So after a detour round the South Circular I reached er.. wherever.Jocket Club
I love horses but not keen on horseracing and gambling
I’m glad so many of us enjoyed this one because I’m afraid I found it rather a slog, and much trickier than yesterday’s Qaos.
As for Shanne @18, the keyword didn’t leap out at me and LONGCHAMP gave the way in. PROCREATE took an unconscionably long time because I don’t think I have ever heard it used as a transitive verb. SACRE COEUR is clever (I’m sure this anagram has been used before, but it was still my LOI) albeit with the vaguest of definitions.
NOT OUT, ELONGATED and DIARCHY were favourites.
Once upon a time I enjoyed puzzles like this, but I now prefer concise clues with highly plausible but misleading surfaces. The constructions for PETALS (7 words), BARNACLE (11 words) and DEEP FAT (16 words!) are ingenious, but at the expense of length and convoluted, weirdly contrived surfaces. O for a Brendan, Vlad or, dare we hope, Arachne 🙂
Thanks anyway to Paul for the mental exercise and to PeterO for his customarily excellent blog.
Great for some no doubt, but I gave up once I detected the theme, which I had to reveal. I didn’t even know there was a racecourse at Bath and knowing this seemed to be key to solving the puzzle so it just put me in a bad mood.
Ugh. I’d never heard of most of the 6 10s, and even having open the Wikipedia page of British ones wasn’t that much help.
[eb@8. LOL. From my post with all the typos you’d think that I was the one on the happy juice. 🙂
Thanks for the link. MFL was my first live theatre as audience, and the first record on my parents’ gramophone. No doubt you’d also remember “The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain”. And “In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen.” Maybe that’s what led me to linguistics? No idea of what was going on then, but then it was in Queensland.]
I found this tricky at first. In fact no answers on first run through. I came back to it after a break and bingo. Getting the key RACE COURSE was big of course.
Slight quibble was the use of VERY in every which is not really hidden much. Oh and TRIANGLE = affair seemed odd. Menage a trois is 3 but triangular?
Thanks Paul and PeterO
[pdm @29: you don’t fool me. Queensland my hoof. I can tell that you were born Hungarian.]
[eb@31. Yes, the greatest putdown possibly at that time. Maybe they didn’t understand that Hungarian was something special, along with Basque. Audrey Hepburn was born in Belgium. In my time in Europe, the Belgians copped a lot of poor jokes. She was perfect in that role.]
Like Andy @9 I find 18D rather unsatisfying.
For me “deep fat” frying, in a pan or fryer, is a description of a cooking method, not a substance. Deep does not qualify the fat, but describes the way the fat is employed. “Something in the fryer” is not deep fat, but fat in sufficient quantity to deep fry the ingredients.
“deep fat” on its own is in Collins, as an American usage, but not in Chambers. So perhaps the meaning is evolving?
I agree with tom @33 and Andy @9 about DEEP FAT and ttt @30 about TRIANGLE (‘my husband is having a triangle’ 🙂 ). Not Paul’s finest hour IMHO.
I’ve always spelled 11a “Knick-knack.” Is that American of me?
Do y’all buy fat in bottles over there? I can’t imagine asking for a bottle of fat, deep or otherwise. If it’s an American usage it’s escaped me so far.
Shanne@18 I’ve read a lot of Dick Francis too, but not while cycling or driving. Sounds risky, no?
pdm@32 Surely Basque is specialer than Hungarian, which has sisters and cousins, if not by the dozens.
Thanks, Paul and PeterO.
I learned a bunch of Belgian jokes when I was living in France, which were a lot like British Irishman jokes or our Polack jokes. My French friends didn’t understand why we told jokes on the Polish — “But they were heroes in the war!”
G@24 et al – the defence presents exhibit 1: New Order’s Bizarre Love TRIANGLE which serendipitously is also musical 🙂
The FAT in a DEEP FAT FRYER is presumably DEEP if it’s being used correctly?
Horse-racing is something I have an active disinterest in but they were all gettable from the wordplay
Cheers P&P
A delight – a really enjoyable mix of easy and difficult with some sneaky definitions, and despite being cold to the theme I had a great time trying to puzzle out race-course-sounding names from the wordplay. One of the only ones I could think of was ASCOT and I very much enjoyed the penny-drop in 24a.
I agree with comments above about DEEP FAT, but not sure I agree with Gervase@34 about TRIANGLE – surely we don’t expect crossword definitions to always be a grammatical replacement in any given sentence? Particularly one as idiomatic as “have an affair”. If I do have a problem it’s that I’ve never heard “triangle” without “love” in front…
Thanks Paul and PeterO
Valentine@35 it is just cooking oil, sunflower oil is pretty good for chips, we indulge once a week with Cyprus potatoes . They used to be called chip pans and one of the major causes of house fires. My parents used to use lard or beef tallow.
Thanks for the blog , nice to have to scratch my head . I prefer setters who try to make us think rather than just try to look nice.
Very traditional style of theme, it is surprising how many courses I know despite no interest in the sport. I liked FREETOWN for the use of lower and RETINAL for the link to bronze.
I am rarely on Paul’s wavelength lately. Today I read through the clues twice, solved only 3 of them, and decided to just come here and read the blog.
Thanks, both.
There have been some comments about (love) TRIANGLE, but i was wondering this. Collins gives the definition as “a relationship in which three people are each in love with ar least one other in the relationship”, but doesn’t say anything about either commitments or taking action, so maybe there is no affair happening? Asking for a friend …
A dnf today, which I didn’t enjoy much. I had trouble with RETINAL because I guessed bronze=TAN and took a while to be disabused. I was stuck a long time without RACE COURSE (Bath is very far from an obvious one) or any of the examples, and eventually used a word finder for LONGCHAMPS, after which there was a spell of themo collapso. Of the rest, not met DIARCHY before though it’s clear what it must be, and didn’t know GLASS WOOL (is it the same as fibreglass?)
Roz@38: chips were always done in dripping in our house, though actual chip shops that used it died out some time ago: it’s a very different taste. I suppose the modern gizmo should really be a deep oil fryer.
@ Rox
If I were to clue, say, FOOTBALL MATCH with Michael dance tie (8,5) I have no doubt you’d be scratching your head. What elevates that-will-do setting to great setting is what you describe as ‘looking nice’ but which I describe as making an effort to get the surface to make at least a modicum of sense.
Gladys @42 I agree about the taste and I think nearly all chip shops use oil now.
I think of beef tallow as the same as dripping ?? I did not say dripping because I did not think the term would be used in the US.
Having been brought up in Tattenham Corner mopes about missing racecourse.
A really enjoyable, and certainly not straightforward, solve. Plenty of fun and typical Pauline twisting of this own theme. The Sacre Coeur anagram spot was great.
Also loved the Barn Ale and the marathon winner.
Thanks Paul and PeterO
[Dr WhatsOn @41: And if the ‘affair’ is between two married persons does that make it a love quadrilateral? 🙂 ]
A theme that I actually knew something about, which proved to be a handicap as 3,22 looked like it ought to be SAINT CLOUD, a 6,10 in Paris, but obviously it couldn’t be, so the anagram was a nice tea-tray moment.
I like Paul’s libertarian definitions, such as ‘triangle’, ‘sticker’ and ‘pretty delicate little things ‘, and I really can’t see a problem with VERY being ‘trapped’ in ‘everyone’s’, though it was my last one in. Favourite was DEEP FAT, now that I’ve seen so many decrying the definition! 🙂
Thanks to Paul and Peter.
Another for whom this was not my cup of tea. I don’t like it when a puzzle depends on a keystone clue to solve (RACECOURSE in this case), and I had heard of fewer than half the racecourses in question. CHURCHILL DOWNS, comfortably the best-known US racetrack, was one of them.
[During the late Queen’s last visit to the US, that was one place she specifically asked to go, incidentally. The Kentucky Derby is held there, traditionally on Mother’s Day. (The other two legs of the US Triple Crown are the Preakness Stakes (at Pimlico near Baltimore) and the Belmont Stakes (at Belmont on Long Island). But I have zero intetest, so I never watch any of it unless I happen to be in a bar when it’s on.]
@30 and @34, do listen to Tom Lehrer! He sang of a triangular relationship in which Ingrid Bergman played the part of the hypotenuse.
Wonderful education as I was growing up?
KateE @50 – someone’s got to provide a link to Lobachevsky 🙂 You have to wait until 2:40 ish for Ingrid, but she’s worth it. In later versions, she was usurped by Brigitte Bardot, Marilyn Monroe, and Doris Day. (Or perhaps they participated concurrently? That’s some Eternal Hexagon.)
While looking up Lobachevsky, I was also reminded of Alma, “who during her lifetime, managed to acquire as lovers practically all of the top creative men in Central Europe…. It’s people like that who make you realize how little you’ve accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for example, that when Mozart was my age he had been dead for two years.”
Straying once more recklessly into zones beyond my ken, but true to the spirit of Lobachevsky, I would suggest in response to Dr W @41 – perhaps a Venn diagram might come to the rescue? There must be at least some situations in which “Did you know he’s having an affair?” and “Did you know he’s got this (love) triangle thing going on?” could refer to the same set of liaisons?
[This is the song that KateE refers to!]
[btw if you follow my link, one of the sidebar options is a wonderful version of “Love will tear us apart” by June Tabor and the Oysterband. My daughter and son-in-law bafflingly prefer the original, though!]
[muffin – les grands esprits se rencontrent. We all get different sidebars though, based on our personal listening history – I’ve got Sheryl Crow on mine.]
MrEssexboy@51 , I assume your link is to the plagiarise song, which is a bit unfair on Lobachevsky , I think the name just fitted. His work on hyperbolic geometry was very original and actually an early example of the incompleteness of axioms although not recognised as such until much later.
Incidentally the angles of a triangle add up to less than 180 degrees, imagine drawing one on a saddle, still three sides though.
[eb @54
It occurred to me that might be the case after I posted. If you want to listen, it’s here.]
Not for me, gave up with a few to go. When I resort to shere guesswork, I lose interest.
RACE COURSES was my first one in.
Much of the parsing escaped me, probably because I had lost interest.
Thanks both.
[Roz @55, my apols to Lobachevsky, and any lawyers representing him. Yes, apparently Lehrer chose the name “purely for prosodic reasons”. ‘Alma’ is probably not entirely fair on Alma either…
Btw I left a late message of thanks on yesterday’s FT blog to you and Tony Santucci re Rosa Klebb. Glad I entered Klebb’s web.]
[muffin @56, thanks – definitely an improvement on the original!]
[As for Alma, an interesting character. I would tend to believe anything of her. I once bought a biography of her, but when it turned up, it was in German – I have virtually none, so I gave it to a German friend.
On a related note, we were staying in Cologne with this friend. I was nervous when she was driving (for good reason), but when we visited Belgium I could relax a bit, as at least I could understand the French road signs!
On a related related note, we visited the Signal de Botrange in Belgium, which has got 4 or 5 of the highest points in Belgium, as successive conquerors kept building higher mounds to overtop the previous ones.]
Thanks, Roz@44. I’ve never quite known what dripping was, assumed it was what dripped into the pan from the roast. Maybe that’s beef tallow?
Thanks to all the song linkers too, I’ll play them when I get back. I’m a great June Tabor fan, so I’ll be happy to hear her as well as Tom Lehrer.
I’m another one who prefers not to have to be ducking over to Google every five minutes to try and nut out a themed clue. It didn’t help that the themed clues were long two-word affairs that dominated the grid, making this very tough to get into if you didn’t crack the keystone clue. Did not enjoy this.
[muffin@56. That’s beautiful. Thank you for the link.
As for your Belgian experience, I remember being in the central place de la what in Brussels, 5, 6,7,9 ways, can’t remember. All the traffic lights turned green at the same time. Just put my head down and hoped for the best.
Reminds me of a joke which I can’t remember, something about the road manners of a Belgian, something about English cooking, and a few other nationals disparaged as well. ]
It’s odd, but I have just finished reading “Two Nights” by Kathy Reichs, which ends with our heroine foiling a plot to plant bombs at Churchill Downs on Kentucky Derby day and I thought that there should be a good cryptic clue for Churchill Downs (Better place in the U.S.?) Recommend Kathy Reichs books of which there are many
Valentine @35 – definitely reading on the school bus past Towcester Racecourse, and probably Dick Francis too, not so much cycling past Chepstow racecourse.
I’d agree that Kathy Reichs is worth reading.
Very late to the party!
I needed help from today’s paper with this this morning, but still enjoyed it. I had RACE COURSE pretty early on, (from MASCOT), but still couldn’t get them all. My area of specialised ignorance!
Once I had ‘cheated’ with a couple of key answers (GLASS WOOL, CHURCHILL DOWNS) the rest did fall into place, and I understood all the parsing.
Paul is still my favourite setter – you have to lose now and then to make the game worth the candle.
Roz@39 – I too look forward to Paul’s gymnastics – with or without meaningful smooth surfaces. And with few Vlads, Screws Enigmatists and Boatmans around, I feel I need him more! But of course I adore the brilliance of Tramp, Philistine etc. And Arachne can make me weak at the knees. But there’s something about Paul’s indefatigable, and original wit …. how does he keep doing it?!
[Yes – I recall Lobachevsky’ pseudosphere inversely matching the Riemann sphere where the sum of the angles exceeds 180° …. but that takes me back half a century so I’m probably wrong!]
Many thanks both and all