Guardian 29,073 / Imogen

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1. Wasn’t sure how ‘another finally’ gave y, but no biggy. Pretty smooth from Imogen, as per, thanks, and thanks duncan.

2. … oh yes and only knew picot via Sykes-Picot, both of which are blokes’ names but, as it happens, do refer to a border (probly not lacy tho) …

3. Made the same assumption as you re: DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, which got me as far as DONT MAKE ME and then was flummoxed by the K.
   Not that it matters, but I had RAN WILD, from the “did lose control”.
   PICOT was new to me (as was PI = PIOUS) and so was TREFOIL = I don’t really do ornamentation.
   Thanks for the puzzle and blog.

4. I don’t get 29a, and carelessly entered ‘ran wild’ at 23a, so not my finest hour.

5. Sorry, should be 20a. I don’t buy the explanation of ‘y’.

6. Very gentle indeed from Imogen, more so because the grid was rendered extremely helpful by the long answers being so straightforward. We’re having a restful week, so far, I hope for fireworks tomorrow.
   Having said that, PICOT was new to me, though very clearly clued, and I agree that the Y in LARDY seemed imprecise.

   Thanks to Imogen and Duncan.

7. Pleasant puzzle from Imogen, not too obscure and with some neat surfaces such as those for SMOOTH-BORED, SUPERNOVA, FLEA MARKET, TEST PILOT, RETURN MATCH, DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH (where I note others went down the same blind alley as me) and RAISE THE ALARM.
   Spelling of BACLAVA is unusual, IMHO, but the wordplay is clear and helpful.
   Thanks to Imogen and Duncan.

8. Thanks Imogen and duncanshiell
   A very enjoyable crossword. Lots of favourites, including 1d, 2d, and 9a. I didn’t parse TEST PILOT.
   I saw “sporting blunder” for OG somewhere else very recently.
   I knew pig sticking from this Willy Rushton book.

9. 20a – boy + another boy finally?

10. I’ve never shied a coconut.

    Happy with the Y in the second boy, and I think it can only be RUN wild – if the ‘did’ goes with the ‘lose control’, then we’re left with just ‘Oscar’s agent’ for the homophone.

    Liked the non-groovy bedrooms, and nice (if I may use that word) to see FLEA get another namecheck. Thanks I and d.

11. Perhaps the confusion about my parsing of the LAD Y in LARDY is because I have referred to another lad in the detailed blog rather than another BOY. I’m with Elenem @ 9 in parsing it as LAD (boy) + Y (last letter of BOY (i.e. another BOY

12. on a meta-note, excellent use of highlighting and colours in the blog! thanks!!

13. I am always intrigued to encounter novelties and ‘bubble’ = O was a new one on me. I guess we will end up seeing everything vaguely circular cited if we wait long enough. And, whilst it’s not a new idea, the double reference to BOY in 20a worked for me and raised a smile. The anagram for RAISE THE ALARM is superb and I enjoyed the crafty deletion and accompanying surface for BACLAVA. Another anagram – SMOOTH BORED – held out to the end: cracking definition. Finally, the three T’s device in TEST PILOT was cute. Slightly raised eyebrow at ‘trial’ appearing twice – it could have been avoided in EXPERIMENT.

    Thanks Imogen and duncan

14. Lovely – first time I’ve finished before my coffee. PICOT and NOSTRUM both new to me and hence LOI.

    Couple of qs – in what context can ‘succeeded’ be shortened to ‘s’? Likewise ‘pi’ for ‘pious’?

    Thanks Duncan for an otherwise clear blog, and to Imogen of course.

15. Second the excellent layout of the blog. Very slow start but a quick finish.

16. Essexboy @10 – good point! Surely the coconut is shied at …

17. Enjoyed this.

    I’m with PostMark re the Y in LARDY. Seems fine to me.

    Liked the idea behind RETURN MATCH but felt Support each other to win hearts, blocking pig killer strayed into the Pauline area of surface bonkersness.

    Thanks to our blogger for stepping in.

18. …sorry, meant to gripe mildly at the COCONUT clue for the same reason as Essexboy.

19. Thanks duncanshiell and Imogen.

    Another with the wrong fodder for DONT MAKE ME LAUGH here.

    I also had so little the first time through (THE of 7d!) and so thought it was going to be impossibly hard, but DONT MAKE ME LAUGH and TOGETHER gave a way in second time and it proved quite accessible (and enjoyable) thereafter.

    I knew PICOT from my tatting days.

    OG was discussed just a week ago in Picaroon’s crossword; should have remembered, as I failed to explain SMOG.

20. Luckily my spice rack contains SUMAC and DOURO is one of my favourite Portuguese wines so I got a head start. “Luckily” because of a lateish night watching Manchester City’s RETURN MATCH against the comeback kings Real Madrid, where Real’s OG killed the suspense.

21. Thanks @duncanshiels for the clarity of the blog. I really like the use of colour to differentiate the sources of the solution. I needed your help with parsing for pig killers and the cricketing reference.

22. Redrodney @ 14 and others querying SHIED

    S as succeeded is in many dictionaries. I think it is probably used in ancestry and inheritance of aristocratic titles.

    PI is not an abbreviation. It is a word in its own right as an adjective and a noun with meanings related to sanctimoniousness and ‘terribly good’ people.

    To my mind a COCONUT can be ‘SHIED‘ by the object thrown towards it. SHY (to fling or thow)

23. 2d reminded me of the bubble sort algorithm

24. I thought this was great. For me it unfolded at a very satisfying rate with lots of aha moments. I really liked FLEA MARKET and DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH. Also the AVON REP returning in SUPERNOVA. The quibble about a coconut being shied at rather than shied occurred to me too, but it’s a minor point.

    I always remember that you “stick” a pig from Lord of the Flies.

    Many thanks Imogen and duncanshiell.

25. … Could you say that as a coconut is in a (coconut) shy, it is in that sense “shied”, like something in a box being boxed?

26. 4 reminds me of this

27. Lord Jim @25: only if the COCONUT is also puzzled 🙂

28. New for me: SHAW = thicket, wood; NOSTRUM; STICKER = pig killer / a worker who kills animals in a slaughterhouse by piercing the jugular vein with a pointed instrument.

    Favourites: SUPERNOVA, FLEA MARKET.

    I did not parse
    19ac
    20ac apart from R in LAD and could not work out the Y bit
    2d – never heard of that river.

    Thanks, both.

29. Thanks Imogen and ds

    ref ‘shied’, I raised an eyebrow at first, but think it can work if you see it as akin to ‘boxed’ (ie where it’s stored). OK, it’s a stretch, but then again we did have ‘errier’ yesterday.

30. duncan @22: that’s how I took SHIED too. It seemed very much liked ‘stoned’: I can stone another but, if I’ve been the miscreant, I may well be stoned in punishment (and, having recently watched Life of Brian again, stoning actually brings back funny rather than grim memories)

31. LJ @ 25 you clearly type faster than I do!

32. I had DON at the start of 6d, but included “yuk” in the fodder, which left (LAYUK)* for the last word – so only half misled. NHO BACLAVA – always a K (but then it is transliterated from the Greek). Thanks, Imogen and duncan.

33. Half of this went in quickly, it then took a while to get my second wind. SUMAC and PICOT are new to me, but could only have been thus. An enjoyable start to the day. With thanks to Imogen, and to Duncanshiell for standing in.

34. Fun puzzle, with some nice (in both senses) constructions. I confess I got DONT MAKE… from the enumeration and a few crossers, as I was uncertain how it fitted together.

    I’m unsure about that transitive usage of ‘shied’ and ‘baklava’ is the more usual (original Turkish) spelling, but both clues work well. PICOT was new to me but clearly signposted. Favourites as for Lord Jim @24.

    Thanks to S&B

35. Enjoyed this although took me a while to get into it. Had not heard of SHAW as a wood and didn’t know that a pig killer was a STICKER. Also not heard of PICOT.

    Favourites included: LARDY, COCONUT, FLEA MARKET, TREFOIL.

    Thanks Imogen and duncanshiell (and I echo the praise for the colourful blog)

36. [TassieTim @32: Baklava, like many other Balkan specialities, is a relic of Ottoman control of the area, and the word is originally Turkish. In Greek it has to be spelled (transliterated) ‘mpaklaba’ to give the initial b sound, as beta is now pronounced as v. ]

37. [..and in Turkish orthography C represents the sound J as in jorum 🙂 ]

38. A gentle version of Imogen today but plenty of fun.

    RETURN MATCH was my favourite for the laughter it induced. Like others I got the first 3 words of 6d and got stuck until the light dawned.

    Shaw = small wood and sticker= pig killer were new to me.

    Sumac is familiar to anyone who uses it in their cooking (Ottolenghi followers in particular).

    Thanks Imogen and Duncan

39. Very smooth crossword from Imogen this morning. Absolutely loved SUPERNOVA and DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH, so much so, that I reckon on slipping in tribute links to them. The 2nd one is really for the beautiful colour – a nod to Duncan’s great blog.

    https://youtu.be/66IWgU9AAis

    https://youtu.be/OY74ZHcfHgA

    “S” for succeeded is the 5th “S” in my Chambers 2003 edition.

    Muffin@8 : OG turned up in a Picaroon, a week ago, within a clue for OGHAM. blaise : The BBC have awarded Man City’s 3rd goal to Akanji rather than OG ( deflection of an on target shot ) and the Sky Sports commentator said UEFA had changed its mind to conclude that a non-OG had occurred, although I don’t believe UEFA has a standardised procedure for OG determinations.

    EB@10 : Thanks for flagging up my fave FLEA MARKET – I still have an occasional table I bought in Amsterdam’s famous flea market in the 80’s and I use it all the time !

    Thank you Imogen and Duncan.

40. I managed nothing today, the same as all of this week!

    Explanations here are very clear and helpful though.

41. I’m another who put RAN WILD, since that matches the tense in the clue. Oh well, can’t win ‘em all.
    I needed lots of help with various bits of parsing – so many thanks, Duncan, and I, too, found your use of colour and bold very helpful!

42. A few of you have commented on duncanshiell’s layout. I’m used to seeing his Inquisitor blogs so I’m kinda used to it.

    What about the borders? Intrusive or helpful or otherwise?
    (asking from an admin point of view)

43. Steffen @40. Keep plugging away. When it finally clicks, it’s a great feeling.

    Solved quite a few because of the definitions here, and needed the blog for the explanations. I too had RAN AWAY to start with.

    Thanks to Imogen and Duncanshiell

44. Kenmac @42. I found the blog harder to read due to the colouring. I’m not colour blind, I just found it harder. I guess it’s what you get used to, and I don’t think the other Guardian bloggers use the tabular layout, which means it’s something different for us old fogeys that don’t like change! Having said all that, I coped with it okay.

45. kenmac@42
    Opinions will no doubt differ but I find the use of colour distracting rather than helpful. Don’t care about the borders. Thanks for asking.

46. Elenem@9
    Thanks for the elucidation, I’m being stupid today.

47. I agree with comments above re the clear (and colourful) blog. I guessed TONE for 13a, assuming it referred to the River Tone that flows though Taunton, but duncanshiell’s explanation is more likely!

48. Crispy @44 & Me @47: I’m definitely in the “old” group, though I hope not “fogey”, and the colours and grid certainly looked different from what we’re used to in this blog, but I found that the novelty helped me to study the explanations more closely and so understand them better 🙂

49. Loved SUPERNOVA
    What’s green and goes ‘Ding Dong?
    An Avon lady smoking a pipe
    I don’t think there’d still be many ringing door bells in the US in this day and age
    Thanks both

50. I can’t remember ever successfully completing an Imogen puzzle with so many unparsed. And I always seem to get my knitting in a twist over whether the correct spelling of 9ac is Anenome or ANEMONE, but the Captain settled that doubt. Very much liked RETURN MATCH…

51. kenmac@42. May I suggest that if, from an admin perspective, you’re seeking feedback on different blogging styles and formats, that it be on an open Admin post, rather than on this one in particular, especially on this occasion, when the blogger is standing in for another on holiday.

    From comments over the years, it’s clear that solvers relate to different bloggers’ styles, and we’re very fortunate with 15 squared that we’re exposed to a range of interpretations. I find that very helpful.
    So grateful to all of the bloggers who tackle these crosswords, whatever else is going on in their lives, for the elucidation and pleasure they bring us all.

52. I’m thinking it should be RAN WILD because he ‘did lose control’. But I seem to be alone in this.

53. Shoogled @52: We hear Oscar’s agent did // lose all control. If you put the ‘did’ with the second half of the sentence, the first half doesn’t make sense. ‘Lose all control’ = RUN WILD

54. Shoogled @ 52

    I reckon ‘did’ would be doing double duty if the definition was ‘did lose all control;’ as you would still need the ‘did’ in ‘What Oscar’;s agent did’. Sorry to overlap Gervase @ 53. I thin Essex Boy made a similar point at comment @ 10 above.

55. I think RAN WILD is correct too, as this is what Oscar’s agent did.

56. In all my 75 years I’ve never heard ‘pi’ used as slang for ‘pious’. I clearly move in different circles

57. Well, igtred @56, I have to admit I never hear “pi” used, but it’s in Chambers and often in crosswords. Good to see Imogen and very enjoyable puzzle. And, duncanshiell, you have a 16 down in your matrix; there isn’t one, but thanks for the clear explanations.

58. A good puzzle, with the right level of challenge for a Thursday night/morning. Thanks to Imogen for a pleasant 45 minutes.

59. copland+smith @ 57

    Thanks – now corrected

60. According to my 1970s SOED, pi = ‘pious, sanctimonious’ goes back to 1870.

61. igretd @ 56

    I generally use Chambers when looking up words. Chambers has PI for ‘sanctimonious things’ as a word in its own right. I note though that Collins indicates that PI is British slang for pious and the Oxford Dictionary of English indicate PI is short for PIOUS.

    The Independent crossword uses Collins as it authority. I’m not sure what the Guardian uses as its dictionary of choice.

62. Lovely crossword, SUPERNOVA was superb.
    I didn’t know that MS = manuscript in 19a, one to remember and subsequently forget. Easy to guess from the OWN GOAL.
    A few other parsings needed confirmation.
    Thanks both.

63. igtretd @56: I don’t think anyone uses ‘pi’ in this sense any more, but it does pop up in older literature as well as crosswords. Related is the (also archaic) expression ‘pi-jaw’ – a patronising admonishment

64. Agree with others about COCONUT.
    SHAW was known to me from the ‘ragged shaw’ that appeared in the excellent Sherlock Holmes story, ‘The Priory School’.

65. Fairly straightforward, and mostly very good, though I’m in the camp who found the shied coconut a bit unsatisfactory, even if it can be justified as has been pointed out by several people. Also wasn’t sure what “from” was doing in the clue for SUPERNOVA, though I see it’s needed for the surface syntax.
    Favourites the dozy wife, for the slightly risqué surface, plus RETURN MATCH, SMOG and others.
    FWIW I prefer the blog without the colours, but many thanks duncanshiell for stepping in, and thanks Imogen, too.

66. Slightly more tractable than some of Imogen’s past works.

    I was another who wondered where the Y in LARDY came from. I liked the simple TO NE, FLEA MARKET where the armada wasn’t anagrammed, SLEEPING PARTNER for the picture painted by the clue, and DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH, where like others, I started with the wrong fodder for the anagram. TILT was SHAW as a wood, although I note it is given as archaic in some quarters.

    Thanks Duncan and Imogen.

67. Regarding “pi”, while the word may not have been used in Burns’s time, he clearly understood its meaning, as exemplified by the eponymous Kirk elder in Holy Willie’s Prayer.

68. Slow going for me today but some good clues nevertheless. It didn’t help my NE that I had 4d as BAKLAVA with a “K” instead of a “C” for a while; not the common spelling as the blogger and others have noted. I was also in the “RAN WILD” camp at 23a, so in the end a DNF for me. Thanks to Imogen and duncanshiell (I too needed help with some parsing).

69. I’m normally not so keen on Imogen’s puzzles (for some unknown reason), but I liked this one just fine. Maybe it was the helpfulness of the long answers.

    When I came up with BACLAVA my first thought was “So soon?”. I knew I had just entered it somewhere else, but checking the last few cryptics uncovered nothing. I then realized it was the Sunday NYT which I had completed yesterday. Now I’m really in the mood for some.

    Thanks I and D for filling in.

70. kenmac@2; paddymelon@51
    Completely agree with paddymelon – especially re the blogger standing in (at short notice maybe?) and who is much appreciated. (Personally loved the colours and table style – but each to their own.)

71. Cormac@26
    That link is brilliantly funny! 🙂

72. No hope of parsing DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH — thanks, duncanshiell.

    Didn’t know RETURN MATCH — too UK, I guess.

    Thanks, Imogen and duncanshiell.

73. Steffen @40. Just in case you call in again…

    Some of these Guardian cryptics can be very hard for a beginner. Have you tried filling in part of the grid from the solution here on 15 squared and then seeing if the crossing letters help you? For example you could write in the first few across answers (while carefully not allowing your eye to stray further down!) and then have a go at solving the first few down clues yourself.

74. I must admit I did have RAN WILD, but only for a couple of nanoseconds, as on reflection RUN (WILD) is the only reasonable fit for ‘lose (control)’. And I echo what Duncan said @54. Sometimes giving a word double duty can be justified, and can lead to a tea tray moment. But if that had been the setter’s intention here it would have been unfair because of the ambiguity, so we can safely rule it out.

    I like Lord Jim’s explanation for ‘shied’ @25, though whether it was Imogen’s intention I guess we’ll never know.

    Thanks to Imogen and to Duncan for covering the absence.

75. Supernova was great.

    I think if a horse can be stabled, and sheep can be penned, and teams can be fielded, then coconuts can probably be shied.

76. Mr SR and I really enjoyed this – thanks for the fun, Imogen.
    Also, thanks to Duncan for stepping in and blogging. Fwiw, I really liked the set out and the colours. I read the comments out to Mr SR and it made it much easier to see what was going on.
    I used to come across “pi” and “pi-jaw” a lot in the Chalet School books, a series set in a girls’ boarding school that ran from the 1920s to the 1960s. Wish I’d kept them – they’re quite collectable now.
    Pig-sticking was familiar to me (a Noel Coward fan) from his song “I Wonder What Happened to Him”, where two old soldiers of the Raj muse about the fate of their erstwhile comrades:

    “Whatever became of old Tucker?
    Have you heard any word of young Mills
    Who ruptured himself at the end of a chukka
    And had to be sent to the hills?
    Have you heard any news of that bloke in the Blues
    Was it Southerby, Sedgwick or Sim?
    You know, they, they had him chucked out of the club in Bombay
    For, apart from his mess bill exceeding his pay
    He took to pig-sticking in quite the wrong way
    I wonder what happened to him”

77. Thanks for stepping in with a great blog, I liked ANENOME , COCONUT and RUN WILD , TONE was neat. SUPERNOVA is clever wordplay but a poor definition, they are very quiet .

78. Really enjoyed this. Completely missed to TO NE in 13 ac as I live in Taunton in the South-West close to the river Tone.

79. I wondered how noisy supernovae were, so thanks Roz. In space no one can hear you explode. But then how loud was the Big Bang?

    MarkN @75, that’s a valiant attempt at justifying the COCONUT, as was Lord Jim’s earlier, but… the difference is that those three all have dictionary support (not to mention lots of examples from everyday life).

    Can babes be wooded? Can three men be boated? Can snakes be planed?

80. essexboy@79. Well, for the most part not in real life. But in crosswordland, why not. With regard to those Three Men, if they had gone by Ship they would certainly have been Shipped, so why not Boated?

    It seems that some setters can get away with whimsicality better than others. (I look forward to those snakes being planed!)

81. The Big Bang and just after was a time of extreme density , so fairly noisy everywhere all at once.

82. [Thanks Roz. Sh @80 – they might not be so groovy afterwards.]

83. I agree SH @80. We accept for crossword purposes that a flower is a river and a barman is a composer, though I’m pretty sure that those don’t have any dictionary support. To me it doesn’t seem much different to say that “one shied” could mean “one in a shy” and therefore a coconut. Though whether that was actually Imogen’s intention is another matter.

84. Just want to say thanks to duncanshiell – excellent, clear blog, in plain English.

85. One of the dictionary meanings for ‘bang’ is ‘explosion’, which is certainly how a SUPERNOVA would be described, and no longer necessarily implies a loud noise (although the Latin verb ‘explodere’ is related to ‘applaud’ and originally meant ‘drive off the stage by loud clapping‘ 🙂 )

86. [Stone Rose @76: me too, great fan of the Coward song. I also always think of Coward when I have a pint of Fuller’s London Pride]

87. Gervase @85
    I’m finding it difficult to imagine a bang that doesn’t involve a noise!

88. [muffin @87
    Arm & Hammer’s Super Deodorizing Shampoo will offer the most bang for your buck.

    … though hopefully it won’t leave a black hole 😉 ]

89. For LARDY, I’d solved it as LAD (boy) meets R (final letter of another) next to Y (River Wye).

90. muffin @87: Noise = pressure waves in a conductive medium. An explosion in an almost complete vacuum isn’t going to be ‘noisy’!

91. And then there’s Veronica Lake qv 🙂

92. Squid@89. It would have to be something like ‘next to sound of river’ to indicate Y at the end.

93. Gervase @90
    So an exploson in a vacuum wouldn’t be a bang, then?

94. muffin@93. There’d be enough material in the exploding star to carry a sound wave, just nobody there to hear it. Like Bishop Berkeley’s falling tree.

95. Well the ‘Big Bang’ was the instantaneous birth of the universe so, pace Roz, it couldn’t have been noisy because there was nothing around in which to propagate the sound!

96. Gervase@95. Nothing to convert any pressure waves in a conductive medium into what we refer to as sound?

    Or are you claiming that a SUPERNOVA is indeed a ‘bang’ despite the absence of sound because the “Big Bang” is an accepted term for an even bigger but still soundless explosion?

97. Hmm, the old question, is noise the pressure waves or the experience thereof; it’s a koan.

98. Thanks for that, Grant. That could be the correct term for one of these late night discussions (or morning in your case, I guess).

99. @90 passim. “pressure waves in a conductive medium” are sound waves. Noise is the qualia produced in an appropriately equipped being detecting those waves. No noise in the Big Bang, then.

100. Herewith a little syllogism:

     A bang is an explosion
     Not all explosions are noisy
     Therefore not all bangs are noisy

     🙂

101. I prefer koans.

102. @44 Crispy. It’s the pale green which our man uses I find hard to read. Hardly registers on my old Mac. Darker tone would help otherwise I’ll have to shell out some money on a new one. Good puzzle. Thanks to both.

103. Enjoyable crossword, so thanks, Imogen. And thanks too to Duncan for parsing LARDY and RECLUSE, both of which I entered without understanding the workings of the clue.

104. I’m not sure that Oscar Wilde had an agent, but if so, it might have been an Agent Provocateur.

105. [@ several, sound is indeed pressure waves in an elastic medium , noise is just a mish-mash of sounds , both exist independently of being heard, especially by arrogant humans.
     The Big Bang was fairly noisy for a while throughout the then universe, sound travelling in the very dense medium but low amplitude from quantum fluctuations . A supernova will have internal sound waves , especially in the core, but not external due to the near vacuum of space , they emit nuclei , photons and (anti)- neutrinos , we can even detect these more than sound, even though they are elusive little blighters. To the outside universe a supernove is very quiet.
     Explosion – a suudden violent outburst with a loud noise – the defintive C93 , so no get-out with bang=explosion.
     None of this matters, the wordplay was fine, the definition could have been better.

106. ]

107. Very clear blog, thank you Duncan, and very enjoyable crossword, thank you Imogen. I must say though, it’s the first time I’ve seen a d on the end of smoothbore.

108. Pat the dog@107. SMOOTH BORED is in Chambers!

109. Late thanks duncanshiell and I vote for your colour scheme which I always find helpful, although maybe because of reading on a decent sized screen rather than a phone. I failed to spot the subtlety of 23A and the coconut debate did not even occur to me so have enjoyed reading about those. Re: 11a, loath to oppose the mighty Roz but the explosion of bugle, dandelion etc in our neglected lawn recently somehow did not wake me, maybe Chambers 93 needs to be updated [Genuine question: how long does it take for a star to “go nova” from the first signs, relative to its overall life span? We wouldn’t call it a rapid expansion perhaps on human timescale but for the star it may be?]). Surprised no discussion of 1D (though I note Duncan did query it) which I thought could easily have been made more Guardian-friendly (“Other half…”), but I thought this was very enjoyable, thanks Imogen.

110. [and i forgot to thank Dave Ellison in particular for the bubblesort dance!]

111. I was getting all excited because I’d finished a Thursday for the first time in months and everyone’s on here saying how easy it was 🙁

     I’m another one for ‘pi-jawed’ from pre-war literature, probably Wodehouse. As for TONE, I had that down as the Somerset (SW) river, which I thought was a bit unfair to non-Brits!

112. [ Gazzh@109 the word you are seeking is proliferation, Chambers 93 is perfect and all updates have made it worse.
     The supernova process is really fast once the core reaches iron nuclei , the implosion takes less than half a second , the shockwave may take a few hours to pass through the outer layers of the star, the photons and neutrinos take many years to reach us (silently) depending on location. The lifetime of the star will depend on mass but at least several million years ]

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