Guardian 29,214 / Brendan

I blogged a Brendan puzzle only three days ago! (This is by no means a complaint.)

 

I said on Friday that blogging a Brendan puzzle invariably involves searching for a theme but today I think he has sent us on a WILD GOOSE CHASE. There is NO THEME spelled out in the middle row (and in row 2 – thanks, Lord Jim @5) and several across answers (EXCEPTION, ODDNESS, PARADOX, ODD ONE OUT) suggest something unusual or unexpected – or there could well be more going on. In any case, it’s good to see Brendan on a Monday.

Favourites today: 12ac EXCEPTION, 19ac THE, 22ac PARADOX, 24/28 WILD GOOSE CHASE, 7dn IMMINENT, 13dn OGLED, 15dn MEMORISING, 16dn SIOUX and 19dn TREMELOS>

Thanks to Brendan for an enjoyable puzzle.

Definitions are underlined in the clues.

Across

9 Contemptible? That’s quite probable (4,2,3)</span
LIKE AS NOT
I’m not sure about this: it seems like a double definition but I can’t quite work out the first one (contemptible?)
Contemptible indeed : LIKE A SNOT – thanks to the first few commenters

10 European male with female outside, muscular types (2-3)
HE-MEN
HEN (female) round E (European) M (male)

11 Reported as reporter, say (5)
NOTED
NOT ED – a reporter rather than an editor

12 Means to test rule – I expect no changes (9)
EXCEPTION
An anagram (changes) of I EXPECT NO – a reference to the saying, ‘It’s the exception that proves (tests) the rule’

13 Property of some numbers – remove pairs and one remains (7)
ODDNESS
If we remove the double letters – DD and SS – we’re left with ONE
Edit: It’s apparently cleverer than that – see Monkey @ 33, 34, 36 (Brendan is a mathematician!)

14 Lacking direction, I am trapped in area? Not so (7)
AIMLESS
I’M (I am) in A (area) + LESS (not so)

17 Turn off none? That’s plain (5)
LLANO
A reversal (turn) of ON ALL (off none) – a llano is a treeless grassy plain

19 Emphatically not just any part of Athens – it’s in Parthenon (3)
THE
THE is contained in both aTHEns and parTHEnon and it’s the definite article (emphatically)

20 Some trouble – but only some – for transport system (5)
METRO
Contained in soME TROuble

21 Make mad, awfully enraged or otherwise angered (7)
DERANGE
An anagram (awfully) of ENRAGED and (otherwise) of ANGERED

22 Party vote following piece of text that’s contradictory (7)
PARADOX
PARA[graph] (piece of text) + DO (party) + X (vote)

24, 28 Writer about chaos goes round the bend – it’s a futile quest (4,5,5)
WILD GOOSE CHASE
WILDE (writer) + an anagram (round the bend) of CHAOS GOES

26 Sharply strike (5)
SMACK
On the surface, this seems like a single definition but a smack can be a sharp sound, as of the lips

29 Nonconformist having not even a single way to escape (3.3.3)
ODD ONE OUT
ODD (not even) + ONE (a single) + OUT (a way of escape) – I don’t see the significance of the full stops in the enumeration

 

Down

1 Flair seen in Michelangelo’s centrepiece (4)
ELAN
Contained in the centre of michELANgelo

2 North of Land’s End, fish moved effortlessly (6)
SKATED
SKATE (fish) + [lan]D

3 Odd when man changes into this? (4-2-4)
HAND-ME-DOWN
An anagram (changes) of ODD WHEN MAN

4 Financial supporters replacing leader with East German socialist (6)
ENGELS
[a]NGELS (financial supporters) with the first letter replaced by E (East)

5 Standard statement of support for barrier (8)
STOCKADE
STOCK (standard) + ADE (sounds like – statement of – aid, support)

6 Piece knocked off eg marble counter (4)
CHIP
Double definition

7 One covers two miles in ten, going astray on the way (8)
IMMINENT
I (one) + MM (two miles) + IN, from the clue, + an anagram (going astray) of TEN

8 A name attached? Just the opposite (4)
ANON
A N (a name) + ON (attached)

13 After defensive blunder, initially, was captain viewed in inappropriate way? (5)
OGLED
O G (own goal, initially – defensive blunder) + LED (was captain)

15 What makes Brendan tick, increasing learning (10)
MEMORISING
ME (Brendan) + MO (tick) + RISING (increasing)

16 People in America pursue legal redress in hearing (5)
SIOUX
Sounds like (in hearing) ‘sue’ (pursue legal redress)

18 What could be wrong as a rule in a concerning Roman emperor (8)
AURELIAN
An anagram (what could be wrong) of A RULE IN A: the wordplay suggests an adjective, referring to Marcus Aurelius – but I can’t find this as a definition
and there was a less well known emperor Aurelian, so I’m not sure about this

19 Many notes after poor term, one’s performance raised (8)
TREMOLOS
An anagram (poor) of TERM + a reversal (raised, in a down clue) of SOLO (one’s performance)

22 Sham work without fee turned up (6)
PSEUDO
A reversal (up, in a down clue) of OP (work) round DUES (fee, as for membership)

23 Tediously persist, in a word, as monster (6)
DRAGON
DRAG ON (tediously persist, as one word)

24 It adds fuel to flame in Scottish town (4)
WICK
Double definition

25 Gloomy tone between chess opponents? (4)
GREY
GREY is a tone between black and white (chess opponents)

27 What’s flown by a test pilot? (4)
KITE
Cryptic definition: to fly a kite means to take a step to test public opinion (Collins) and kite is slang for an aeroplane

95 comments on “Guardian 29,214 / Brendan”

  1. AlanC

    What a pleasant surprise to see Brendan so soon after last week’s marvellous puzzle, after a seven-week absence as noted by Eileen. This was quite a straightforward Monday solve and only held up for a while in the SW. Looking for a theme, I thought there was something going on with NOTED EXCEPTION, ODDNESS and ODD ONE OUT but it’s probably something more clever. Favourites were ANON, HAND-ME-DOWN, MEMORISING and WILD GOOSE CHASE. Like Eileen didn’t understand LIKE AS NOT.

    Ta Brendan & Eileen

  2. Mike

    9 across I had as LIKE A SNOT

  3. Tom H

    9ac Like a snot?

  4. Mike

    9ac can also be read as ‘like a snot’

  5. Lord Jim

    As I said on Friday, there’s always something going on in a Brendan puzzle, and amazingly that’s even the case when there isn’t. This is the ODD ONE OUT, and the theme is that there is NO THEME as stated a couple of times in the grid. So this is the EXCEPTION that proves the rule, and a PARADOX. Brilliant.

    Many thanks Brendan and Eileen.

  6. ravenrider

    Like as not – Like a snot

  7. RamonSauvage

    In 9A, could ‘contemptible’ be ‘like a snot’?

  8. Flea

    LIKE AS NOT – I think a pun on LIKE AS NOT / LIKE A SNOT ; SNOT – slang for a lousy person ; a contemptible person.

    Thank you Brendan and Eileen.

  9. paul

    Not all that much easier than Friday’s puzzle I thought, but just as enjoyable. Thanks Eileen for parsing the one that I couldn’t: LLANO (I think of this as very much a crossword word; I don’t recall seeing it outside these puzzles). Thanks Brendan.

  10. AlanC

    Well put Lord Jim @5.

  11. muffin

    Thanks Brendan and Eileen
    Very nice, not too difficult. Favourite ENGELS.
    I wasn’t convinced by SMACK. When I just had the S, there were several other apparently equally likely possibilities – I favoured SPIKE.
    I don’t see why “not so” gives LESS in 14a. Could anyone elucidate, please?

  12. David

    In 26ac SMACK as an adverb could be sharply.

  13. Eileen

    muffin @11 – I’m not so (less) sure of this?

    Thanks, all, for LIKE A SNOT – blog amended now.

  14. Eileen

    Thanks, Lord Jim @5 – I missed the other NO THEME in row 2. I just knew there’d be something else!

  15. Balfour

    Thank you, Eileen. Re. 18 Down, the AURELIAN Walls, substantial stretches of which are still visible in Rome, were built during the reign of the less well-known Aurelian. His name thus serves as an adjective as well as a proper noun, vindicating the clue.

  16. Julie in Australia

    As usual, thrilled to have an unexpected Brendan. One never knows what Monday may bring.
    Thanks to both Brendan and Eileen – it’s always a satisfying practice to solve a puzzle and then to have a great blog to read in order to reflect on all the enjoyable bits. Sometimes sitting with a puzzle and looking at it as a whole after one has completed it really adds to the enjoyment – even if in this case my search for a theme was “a futile quest”. I have to admit that I had a lot of trouble getting GREY (my LOI) at 25d but think I was just being a bit thick today. Eileen, I also didn’t get why there were full stops in ODD.ONE.OUT}

  17. Geoff Down Under

    Clutching at straws, I thought the defensive blunder in 13d was “to go back”; I was unfamiliar with OG for own goal.

    Didn’t parse KITE or SMACK, the latter a lot simpler than I imagined.

    Didn’t know ENGELS, LLANO or WICK (the town).

  18. muffin

    Thanks Eileen @14

  19. Dringerland

    A bravura performance to make a theme out of not having a theme. Top setting!

  20. Hovis

    Having sat through the latest John Wick film, it was nice to see WICK & DRAG ON next to each other.

  21. scraggs

    Regarding 15 down, could someone explain why MO = tick? Thanks.

  22. muffin

    scraggs
    both can mean a short interval of time.

  23. Eileen

    scraggs @21 – short for ‘moment’.

  24. scraggs

    @22 muffin

    Ah! Of course, thank you.

  25. scraggs

    @24 Eileen – yes, I think muffin just pipped you at the post, but thanks anyway 🙂

  26. michelle

    Failed 27d and 26ac.

    I did not parse 13ac, 14ac, 4d but guessed it had something to do with Angela Merkel – whoops I got this one wrong as I entered ANGELS; ADE bit of 5d, 6d, 13d.

    Favourite: PSEUDO.

    New for me: WICK = town in Scotland.

    Thanks, both.

  27. Nick

    Another not to be convinced by SMACK though there is the sense of “That smacks/ strikes one as…”. But even with that I’m struggling. Am I missing something?

  28. poc

    scraggs@21: mo=minute (just a mo), hence tick.

    The dots in 29a are readily explained by this being the Grauniad. Ditto the lack of proper numbering for 24,28 (at least in the on-line version). This has been going on for a few weeks now and I’ve no confidence that the editors have even noticed.

  29. scraggs

    @28 Thanks to you too, poc.

  30. muffin

    poc @28
    I’ve had the follow-on numbers missing for a week or two, but today the 28 was there onscreen and also on the printout.

  31. Sagittarius

    I’m sure David @12 is right about smack as sharply – “it landed smack on my head”, or something is “smack on the money”. I’d agonised over spank and spark as well, and picked wrong. A wild goose chase, like seeking a theme in this puzzle.

  32. ronald

    Ah, Brendan on a Monday, I need to be on my toes for this. But I managed to impetuously insert Odd Man Out For ODD ONE OUT, Aurelius for AURELIAN, Oddment for ODDNESS, so I was in a bit of a mess. Had Spark instead of SMACK, rather a litany of errors from me this morning, I’m afraid. Not too clear about NOTED, either, or exactly how LLANO worked. Eventually fell over the finishing line with IMMINENT. Enjoyed this, though…

  33. Monkey

    ODDNESS also works mathematically; for any integer, if you take out (subtract) a pair of integers, you still have an odd number. Repeating the process till you can do it no more is bound to result in one.

  34. Monkey

    (The pair of integers I referred to was meant to say a pair of identical integers.)

  35. Eileen

    Thanks for that, Monkey – beyond my ken, I’m afraid.

  36. Monkey

    Thanks Eileen, though I didn’t express myself precisely enough. I should have said “for any odd integer”. If the number was even, the process would result in zero. And negative integers have to be ruled out. It’s a long time since I could describe myself as any sort of a mathematician.

  37. Widdersbel

    It’s quite normal for me to fail to spot themes but on this occasion I failed to spot the lack of a theme! Great puzzle, very enjoyable, thanks Brendan and Eileen.

    Monkey @33 – yes indeed, a quite brilliant bit of clueing.

  38. Blaise

    FWIW, the phrase that I found to justify SMACK = SHARPLY is “Smack dab in the middle,” with an earworm. Ray Charles sang it too.

  39. KVa

    Thanks, Brendan and Eileen!

    Liked a lot many of them. NO THEME, NO THEME and PARADOX combo being the crowning glory.
    Saw the mathematical beauty of ODDNESS. Wonderful.
    Found it interesting that the surface clueing EXCEPTION was a PARADOX!

    A couple of views/inputs:
    AURELIAN (wiki)
    Characteristic of the Roman emperor Aurelius (Sorry if already mentioned)

    CHIP
    Could it be a triple def?
    piece, (a) knocked off e.g. marble, counter

  40. grantinfreo

    Yep, KVa @39, I too thought “e.g. marble” qualified as a chip, hence a triple.

  41. Eileen

    Monkey, Widdersbel and KVa – I’ve amended the blog re 13ac. Many thanks.

  42. PostMark

    Thanks to those who made sense of the NO THEME. It certainly makes more sense than LLANO THE METRO to which I was trying to ascribe some importance. It’s doubly delightful that Brendan managed something clever whilst producing a puzzle that is still broadly Monday-ish. EXCEPTION, ODDNESS, PARADOX, ANON and KITE were my favourites.

    Thanks Brendan and Eileen

  43. Alastair

    As a maths fan, I loved ODDNESS. Great Monday fare. Thanks both.

  44. Petert

    I liked the paradox of the theme with no theme, and the many good clues. MEMORISING, TREMOLOS among them. I’m not sure if I wanted to be reminded of Brian Poole who had a Dan Quayle like e in his Tremoloes.

  45. Shanne

    Nice seeing Brendan on a Monday with a Monday style puzxle.

    Wick is where the Far North line ends, travelling several hours north from Inverness. Going to Orkney, one route is from a couple of stops before the end, Thurso, walk/bus to Scrabster and ferry to Stromness. All recommended, not so good are replacement minibuses.

    Thank you to Eileen and Brendan.

  46. Robi

    Good, ‘no theme’ trick from Brendan.

    Aurelian as ‘the less well-known one’ is in Collins and the ODE. I liked the tick and wordplay in MEMORISING, also the wordplays in ODDNESS and IMMINENT, and the surfaces for OGLED and WICK.

    Thanks Brendan and Eileen.

  47. ronald

    …and in the 2000 film Gladiator, the role of Marcus Aurelius was one of the last film parts played by the late great Richard Harris, whom I imagine fellow Irishman Brendan might have admired…

  48. manhattan

    Enjoyable although for some reason I found 25dn irritating?

  49. nuntius

    I’ve only been doing these puzzles for a couple of years or so and I thought there was a tradition of having an easyish puzzle to start the week; but I haven’t found that to be so in practice. This took me a while, and there were three I couldn’t get. I had never heard of LLANO. I got AURELIAN, but by way of Marcus as I wasn’t aware of the other Emperor (I thought there was something odd about the spelling…!). Reading the full explanation of ODDNESS (with help from Monkey@33) I am filled with admiration. Not so keen on LIKE AS NOT. With thanks to Brendan and Eileen.

  50. Roger GS

    Engels, as it happens, was Marx’s financial “angel” – yet another layer to the clue.

    Fair play for 25d, juts a change of mindset needed – I was solving along the lines of G – RE (note) – Y but couldn’t see how G and Y are chess opponents. That would be BREW I guess.

  51. Chris U

    Hi there . i’m not a regular on this site but was interested to see what solvers made of 26 across. My instinct was to enter ‘spank’, which seemed to fit as a Monday morning cryptic definition. I take the point made above that there could be a case for a double definition with smack, but it does seem arguable either way. Maybe in cases like these there is a system of grading of analyses similar to poker hands, maybe a dd beats a cd. I know nowt about poker though! Thanks.

  52. Bayleaf

    The surface of 18d feels very clunky with ‘in a concerning Roman emperor’ .
    Why not ‘in a Roman emperor’s style’ to avoid the clumsy syntax?

  53. tim the toffee

    Regarding ODDNESS, the comment about it being more “mathematical” is really nothing more than saying an odd number is odd. An odd is defined as an even number + 1 so subtracting even numbers (they don’t need to be pairs) leave 1 eventually.
    Thanks Brendan and Eileen

  54. muffin

    tim @53
    True, but if numbers are removed in pairs it works for odd ones too – any two same numbers added together give an even number.

  55. tim the toffee

    Hello to everyone I saw at York and to those I didn’t get to chat with…see you next time. I look forward to tackling all those puzzles.
    Well done John… great weekend.

  56. tim the toffee

    Muffin @54 I have no idea what you are suggesting “works” after the “true”!
    We can generalise about adding pairs or subtracting pairs but it just goes back to the definition of an odd number.

  57. poc

    Muffin@30: the numbers appear on the screen, but not in the printout (unless you mean the PDF version, which I don’t use).

  58. muffin

    tim
    a pair of odd numbers is even, so you don’t have to restrict the removal to even numbers if you remove them in pairs
    poc
    odd, it’s there on my printout

  59. Ethelthefrog

    Re 26a, could the answer be ‘shank’, meaning to stab someone.

  60. muffin

    me @58
    i mean a pair of odd numbers added together is even…

  61. tim the toffee

    Muffin@x and y
    Yes an even number (which is being subtracted) must (because it’s even) be the sum of either two odd or two even numbers.
    It’s still just about the definition of odd.
    No more maths from me unless goaded I promise.

  62. Tony Santucci

    Thanks Brendan. I was happily surprised to see Brendan today so soon after his last crossword. (I remember Brendan saying that he submits crosswords to the Guardian and the editor chooses when to run them.) In any event I liked this with EXCEPTION, DERANGE (with its double wordplay), HAND-ME-DOWN, ENGELS, TREMOLOS, and DRAGON being my favourites. Brendan always has a theme and I failed to spot the theme/NO THEME overlay. This reminded me of a Serpent (Jack) crossword where the diagonal letters read, “this is not a nina.” [Serpent always has a nina.] These guys are brilliant in my opinion. Thanks Eileen for great blog.

  63. MikeC

    Thanks, Eileen and Brendan. Good stuff. All fine with me except for 26a. I had SPANK, which seems equally valid. Am I missing something?

  64. KewJumper

    Fun puzzle and a real pdm seeing the brilliant no-theme device spotted by Lord Jim@5.

    Another impetuous ODD MAN OUT out here, and still not convinced by SMACK, could have been SPANK or SHANK as others (and indeed Mrs KJ) have pointed out.

    Nevertheless, bravo and thanks to both Brendan and Eileen.

  65. Eileen

    KewJumper @64 – I did point out the NO THEME theme in my preamble. 😉

  66. KewJumper

    Oh yes, sorry Eileen. Yet another thing I failed to spot today!

  67. Eileen

    No problem, KJ – I didn’t manage to spot Row 2!

  68. cellomaniac

    I thought that the clue for 26a SMACK was weak. There, I’ve done it. I’ve criticised a Brendan clue. At long last I can cross that off my bucket list.

    Since Brendan is my favourite setter*, I think the above comment somehow fits the theme/non-theme of this (yet another) great puzzle.

    Lucky Eileen, how do you get to blog so many of his crosswords? And lucky us, getting Brendan and Eileen on the same day.

    [ * To be precise, he’s one of a triumvirate of favourites, along with Arachne and Philistine. Is there a theme there? ]

  69. cellomaniac

    muffin and poc@various, I can confirm poc’s experience. The numbering (24,28) appeared on screen and on the PDF version, but when I printed straight from the on-screen version, the “,28” wasn’t there.

  70. muffin

    cellomaniac @69
    Very odd. I’ve just looked again on a different computer and the 28 is there in the straight print version. I’m using Chrome on both computers.

  71. muffin

    To clarify mine @70, I mean that clue 24 is labelled 24,28

  72. Justin

    I got ODDNESS instantly from the mathematical definition, and didn’t notice the pairs-of-letters thing at all until I read this blog. Dear Brendan, that is absolutely brilliant! Thanks E+B.

  73. jellyroll

    poc@28 and muffin@71 – I emailed The Guardian to point out this problem with clue numbering. I received a swift reply from someone who passed my query on to someone else then a reply from the second person who passed my query on to a third person!

  74. AndrewTyndall

    Eileen: thank you twice. I had the “mo” in MEMORISING as the setter’s “modus operandi” (what makes him tick) but I couldn’t justify the “me” instead of the “my”. Also I had “ockade” as being a homophone for “okayed”, which is a statement of support, but that made “statement” do double duty both as wordplay and indicator…plus I was not sure that “st” was a legitimate abbreviation for standard.

    Apart from that…I concur with so many others. I took AURELIAN to refer to the great Marcus Aurelius, who was not only played by Richard Harris (Ronald @47) but also by Alec Guinness in Anthony Mann’s masterful The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964)…and neither could I make LESS mean “not so”…and neither could I find the double definition in SMACK.

    So, actually, Eileen saves the day four times, not twice.

  75. BlueDot

    Monkey @36: Proof of how detrimental my laziness is! I only read the first two of the comments that Eileen pointed out and was totally confused! If I had just taken an extra two seconds to see your insertion of “odd integer”, I would have been right on board.

  76. Steffen

    Like 14 across, I am lacking direction. I am having a nightmare.

    I have managed 1d and 24d.

    Can anyone throw me a bone please?

    Are there any anagrams?

  77. AlanC

    Try 12ac Steffen

  78. AlanC

    Impressed you got WICK btw. One of my loi.

  79. Arjay

    Steffen @76 – for 24/28 you have two starting letters, definition is a futile quest. For 16d a Native American, who happens to be a homophone of to take someone to court for recompense, and that would give you some juicy end letters.

  80. Eileen

    cellomaniac @69 (just in from choir practice, hence the delay)

    To be honest, I’m still not really happy with 26ac myself. 😉

    To answer your question: I don’t really think I do get ‘so many’ of Brendan’s puzzles to blog. I think we were all surprised to see his name so very soon this morning and the reason I blogged it was because our weekly rota advances by one day a week and the blogger who blogs on Friday blogs the following Monday, so I was really lucky this time!

  81. Mandarin

    LLANO eluded me, I don’t know the word and the parsing is tricky. So, a confidence-shredding Monday DNF to start the week! Much to enjoy, however, I liked DERANGE and DRAGON best. It’s a shame that it seems the dots in ODD MAN OUT are just a typo.

  82. Eileen

    Andrew Tyndall @74

    I love your interpretation of MO for what makes Brendan tick – what a pity it didn’t quite work!

    It took me a minute or two to fathom ‘not so’ – but I really liked it.

  83. Eileen

    Mandarin @81

    I learned LLANO from crosswords and it has cropped up a number of times since – I’ve just searched for it in the archive – so worth filing away.
    I rather like the most recent clue, from Picaroon:
    ‘Plain Welsh seaside resort, no dud’.

  84. Steffen

    78 & 79. Thank you.

    Still staring blankly at 24/28. I can’t find the 14 letters for an anagram.

  85. Arjay

    Steffen @84 – for 24/28 – 9 letters are anagrammed with a well known writer around them.

  86. Dave Ellison

    LLANO is singular, the plural llanos maybe better known. I knew of this because I lived in Cali, Colombia teaching English for a while in 1969.

    Thanks Eileen and Brendan

  87. Valentine

    Finally finished reading the blog, late start and a nap or two. Relevant comments mostly already made.

    Is there something in the clue for HAND-ME-DOWN that indicates the definition implied in “this”?

    Thanks, Brendan and Eileen.

  88. gregfromoz

    This was an excellent puzzle, as others have noted. My LOI was LLANO. I knew what it was, I knew it was one of those Crypticland specialities, but I could not seem to summon it out of my memory banks, so I ended up going to Google to complete the puzzle.

  89. Valentine

    Did anyone notice that the Cryptic and the Quiptic today are on the same grid?

  90. Graham

    Steffen@76 if you haven’t moved to today’s puzzle yet – there are a couple of nice anagrams at 3d and 12a that might get you started. 24a/28a is also *partly* an anagram and you already have a couple of crossers for this.
    Great puzzle and blog as always from Brendan and Eileen; I didn’t spot either of the NO THEMEs and was wondering what the theme could be…

  91. Patrick O'Callaghan

    Muffin@70,71: I normally use Firefox but checked with Chrome, Brave and Edge, all on the same computer and all had the same error (they’re probably all using the same print library). This is on Linux (Fedora). The paired numbers do not appear in the printout, nor in the print preview.

    Jellyroll@73: I think I’ll complain to the editor. Maybe if enough people do they’ll take notice.

  92. WhiteDevil

    I had ‘spank’ instead of SMACK, and couldn’t find LLANO even though I wiki’d plains. The theme/not-theme sailed way over my head.

  93. Shaun

    I’m a little late to this – on the off chance that there’s anyone left still reading this could someone please explain 3d? Like @87 I’m stumped as to how you get HAND-ME-DOWN from the definition “this”.

  94. JTL

    @93, @87: It may help to read the clue as “[Is it] odd when [a] man changes into [a] hand-me-down?” (Considering hand-me-downs are usually worn by children.)

  95. Shaun

    @94 ahhh thank you. A bit too cryptic for me!

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