Guardian Prize Crossword 29470 / Maskarade

55 comments on “Guardian Prize Crossword 29470 / Maskarade”

1. Agreed with most of the comments made by duncanshiell especially the accolade that it was a real tour de force – how does Maskarade manage to put it together? It took us three sessions to complete with all explained and, coincidentally, our first spot to give the theme was Wimoweh, with my favourite version by Karl Denver, remembered from our first year at University in 1962! Having most of the numbered clues solved, we found that we needed the alphabetical order hint for the unnumbered clues, with the last entry being 50dn. Thanks to Maskarade and duncanshiell.

2. Because of time zones, I knew I’d have an opportunity to make an early contribution to this column. As I’ve mentioned a few times, I really love the seasonal Maskarade jumbos. I don’t want to simply chronicle my struggle, because everyone’s journey through a puzzle is different, and I find it difficult to relate to others’ paths, so I assume nobody wants to hear about mine.

   I find the jumbos at the outset to be both daunting and fascinating. The Special Instructions make some sense, but not enough to use at first. So that limits your initial passes to only a subset of the clues. But I have found that it is worth the patience, because at some point the bell will ring and bring relief – but not too much because there is still a lot of work to do. Maskarade’s themes are simple to state, but they have many possible instances, and some will be familiar and some less well known, so having a resource by which you can check conjectures can be very handy.

   An intriguing element with these jumbos is trying to assess what Maskarade might know/like/be familiar with, since that might help you do an end-run and try to guess and find likely answers amongst the clues (e.g. I guessed the Beatles and found them). The trouble with this music theme is that there are so many eras and genres, that by the time you have enough themers to roughly guess the parameters, there are few left to get!

   I also like the fact that it can take several sessions spread over more than one day to finish. Great entertainment!

   Thanks both Maskarade and duncanshiell for the effort you put into your respective contributions.

3. Superb blog, Duncan, and I agree with your assessment of the merits of the puzzle.

   In 62 across, Bottom is a reference to the character in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, who is magically transformed into an ass.

4. Thanks for a great blog and the grids and all the extras.
   Super puzzle for a Bank Holiday , I even got the sprogs to help with the newer songs.
   I like cold solving so did all that first, ADI GRANTH was in Azed the same week so that helped .I did put (T)REASONABLY for 66AC and no crossers so had to correct it later .
   Very minor quibble , it is always THE Beatles but I suppose it would not fit.

5. I would like to express my thanks to Maskarade. I did this in small chunks over ten days and thoroughly enjoyed it. Alongside my newspaper I needed a pad of paper both to list the anagram solution and to jumble up their letters, a pen for definite answers, and a pencil and eraser for putative entries. All extremely enjoyable, and I fail to see how it would be possible just on a keyboard. My first two anagrams were Adele and Wings which didn’t help much with first letters of the singers for a while. My first clue in was Bros, which had me scratching my head later! Last clue was also ‘time heals’. Just brilliant!

6. OK, glad that I abandoned this early on.

7. We didn’t abandon it without a fight, MAC089@6, but only succeeded in a little more than half of the clues. We had Bros for 4d but that’s not the only reason we did not finish!
   But with considerable effort most of the theme anagrams were solved which gave satisfaction.
   Admiration of the huge effort by Maskerade and duncanshiell.

8. That took a while! And more sheets of blank A4 than I’ve ever needed before as I struggled with the anagrams. This didn’t play to my strengths. At the end the anagrams included the titles of eight songs I’d never heard of, and the names of two singers I didn’t know either. I actually tried the anagrams first out of curiosity, guessed HELLO from the first and realised the remaining letters could make ADELE, but didn’t see any connection (I said this was not playing to my strengths), couldn’t make any further progress and went on to the numbered clues, making reasonable but slow progress there. At last I decided to concentrate on the only anagram whose enumeration would yield the 11-long un-clued 60a, guessed AS IT WAS (which rang no bells), saw HARRY STYLES in what was left and light started to dawn. It was only after getting WINGS/MULL OF KINTYRE that I realised just how this all worked. I looked up Harry Styles and Adele to check on their various works, and that confirmed it. Then it just took time and paper – a list of the possible clue lengths that the anagrams could provide, and a chart of the un-clued answers with their lengths and known letters so far, as well as the scratch sheets for anagram juggling. BROS got in the way for a while, but never quite felt right, and I wasn’t sure STRAP RAIL was really a joint, but I did parse almost everything in the end.

   I admire the musical knowledge of anyone who didn’t have to resort to Googling musicians for this. And I admire Maskerade for the way it was conceived and then put together. I must say I felt thoroughly chuffed when I finished it. And thanks too, of course, to duncanshiell for the jumbo blog and the animations.

9. I echo all the plaudits to Maskarade, and my thanks to duncanshiell for such detailed blog. I took from Sat to Tues to complete it; unlike MAC089@6, I was glad I persevered. I too wasted time entering ‘Bros’ at 4d.
   The two ‘thematic’ down clues came easily, so I identified the theme quickly. Then ‘Rebukes Molly’ including three initials suggested ELO, and the MR BLUE SKY anagram confirmed how it all worked. Some of the anagrams were tough, ‘So Asian led UKIP’ strangely being my LOI. Brilliant of Maskarade to spread the tracks over six decades (with the dreadful 1980s having appropriately only one entry). KeithS@8, of course I had to use Google and Wiki – who didn’t?
   Agree with bridgesong@3 that ‘Bottom’ refers to the play character (as I am not in the US, the prime meaning of ‘ass’ to me is ‘donkey’), though the pun is there. At 37d, ‘Pander’ also has Shakespearean connections, deriving from Pandarus, who brought Troilus and Cressida together; Shakespeare uses it to mean PROCURER several times (eg, Henry V, iv. 5, ‘Like a base pandar, hold the chamber door’), though spelt ‘pandar’. Chambers gives both spellings, ‘pander’ first.
   17a seemed literal rather than cryptic to me. REFURBISH just means ‘Done up again’, though I contemplated ‘refurnish’ (not in Chambers) till I crossed the B. Have I missed something?

10. What’s an amazing feat of setting – and solving maybe, given that several of the definitions in the regular clues were more than usually cryptic as well. Adele/Hello was our way in to the unnumbered clues.
    We thought 31A split slightly differently – ONO is Yoko’s house (i.e. family name), with Or Near Offer bring purchase terms that could apply to anything.

11. Apologies for the typos…
    What an amazing…
    …being purchase terms…
    Gesture typing 2 – TandH 0

12. Amazing crossword – huge congratulations to Maskerade for compiling such a masterpiece. And also to Duncan for an excellent blog.

    Loved this from beginning to end. Like others, Adele Hello was way into anagrams. And there is no way I could have completed without multiple searches of online discographies.

    Thanks again to both Maskerade and Duncan

13. Really glad I made an early decision not to bother with this.

14. I thought I’d try the anagrams first and once I got Adele, Hello and Oasis, Wonderwall I realised what I was looking for. Got all but one – and never in a million years would I have got the Wimoweh one never having heard of the singer or the song – is the title even a word?

    Then got started on the rest but when I couldn’t fit Wonderwall into any of the three 10 letter words in the grid I kind of gave up – and looking at the answers I do think that splitting Wonderwall into two answers was a bit unfair.

    Thanks both

15. Another masterpiece of Bank Holiday setting from Maskarade. I got the theme early on. REHAB went in on a first reading through the normal clues and that immediately gave me the suspicion that songs/singers could be the theme, so I was on the look-out for that when I tackled the anagrams. I quickly spotted Adele/Hello (the alphabetic order of these helped), confirming my suspicions. Most of the remainder then fell in without too much problem, although it did require a bit of googling of discographies to confirm some of them. Congratulations to Maskarade for selecting such a well spread group of singers. Older people (like me) will have struggled to name any songs by some of the more recent artists, while younger generations will have had the reverse problem, so there was something for everyone.

16. Awesome concept, Maskarade! Once I realised that each of the anagrams contained both themes I began to make more headway. But it still took several days, even though I soon twigged that youtube was perhaps a more useful source of inspiration than straight googling or wikipedia. Expecially as, with a couple of exceptions, the themesters weren’t the kind of music that I really enjoy listening to.
    A bonus was that getting so much practice in teasing out anagrams meant that I managed to complete the current Genius puzzle.
    …and that I discovered a way to fill in idle moments inventing anagrams for stuff that I do like. For example (with no reference to West Side Story) A Jet’s anal dye.

17. I began this with challenge of trying to understand the complicated instructions, printing the pdf onto A3 to work with the tiny squares, and taming the ghosts of Maskarade’s Christmas puzzle. However, armed with a sense of adventure, sheets of paper, pencil and eraser, I set to work and eventually realised what was going on. I also realised this theme was definitely not an area of expertise. After a few very late nights going down rabbit holes with google, I finished it mainly through sheer perversity. In retrospect, I had to admit it was fun.
    I think ADELE HELLO was my way in to the themed clues. The alphabetic order was helpful to find artists unknown to me. After all the themed clues were in, I still had two un-themed clues outstanding, STRAP RAIL and ADIGRANTH, both new.
    This puzzle is an amazing tour de force and I don’t know how Maskarade does it. Duncanshiell’s blog is also brilliant, including the impressive grid with animations.
    Many thanks both.

18. Really glad I made an early decision to bother with this!

    I loved it from beginning to end. Thank you Maskerade for a fantastic jumbo puzzle that kept me entertained for many days over the long weekend. It was a pleasure to solve. Thanks for the detailed blog Duncan.

19. Now regretting I made an early decision not to bother with this

20. Fiona@14 you probably do know WIMOWEH – The lion sleeps tonight .

21. Roz @ 20

    Yes after I looked it up I realised I have heard the song – but I didn’t know the title (if anything I would have thought the title was “The Lion Sleeps Tonight”) and have never seen the word written down so was never going to find it. Oh and never heard of Karl Driver.

    Anyway am much more upset about the splitting of Wonderwall in the grid …..
    Memo to self – be more stubborn

22. This was a great challenge. Loved all the time devoted to cracking it, even after being fooled by the deliberately misleading possibility of BROS at 4D.

    The anagram tasks were great fun. At one stage I thought I was stuck but found the home for MR BLUE eventually. Very satisfying.

    Many thanks, Maskarade

23. Loved this. Small ? over 17A. Surely refurbished means ‘done up again ‘, therefore straight definition not cryptic …..

24. This felt like Maskarade’s riposte to accusations that crosswords do not adequately reflect popular culture or the 20th century! A chance for all of us to broaden our musical spectrums, so many thanks to whoever put the YouTubeplaylist compilation together, as well as to Maskarade and Duncan.

25. Fiona@21 being stubborn is the most important thing for crosswords .
    I have done a lot of alphabetical jigsaws in the past. I noticed that 22 was 4,6 or 6,4 with a COMMON letter so had to be WONDERWALL.
    I do not think the setter had any way to indicate split themed entries.

26. Roz @ 25

    Looking back at my copy of the crossword I see that I had got the crosses for 22ac and 22d so could have spotted it – but didn’t. I will bear in mind the possibility of splitting words in alphabet jigsaws in future.
    I hope we have some more alphabetical jigsaws.

27. I was another who was led up the gardenpath by wonderwall, bung(l)ing it in the wrong place and then having to retrace my steps. That’s not a whinge though: all part of the misleading fun, and executed with such charming guile. Thank you Maskarade for this oh so virtuoso songfest, and to Duncan for the annotations.

28. I’m glad I made myself enjoy this puzzle, up to a point. My deep ignorance of the subject of the theme made it impossible to finish it, but I did manage to solve all the numbered clues (like Roz I like cold-solving them, even when I don’t have to). I surprised myself by getting as many as 10 of the 14 singers/groups, but I knew only two of the song titles: Michelle and Mull of McIntyre.
    I nevertheless commend Maskarade for constructing this far from clumsy monster of a puzzle – the thematic content was admirable.
    Thanks also to duncanshiell.

29. It took me a long time to see the theme. Getting HALF was my way in, because 38d was a themed entry of which the second word had to be IF or OF, so MULL OF KINTYRE it – eventually – had to be. I thought at first it was dreadful songs that are inexplicably popular, and this seemed to be confirmed when I finally got WANNABE: wasn’t convinced about 17a REFURBISHED or REFURNISHED, as both fit the definition, and _ A _ N _ B _ didn’t look like a real word, which of course it’s not. Then MICHELLE, WONDER WALL, WIMOWEH, RADIO GAGA, MR BLUE SKY and CARS all seemed to nicely fit my interpretation of the theme. CHARMAINE, also; but too many of the modern hits are unknown to me, so I can’t be positive about the setter’s intentions.

    I failed on the interlocking DILETTANTE and FINISHERS, but I’m glad I persevered as far as that.

    Thanks to Maskarade and Duncan.

30. I ws pleased to have been able to finish this. It required some hard slog and tactics that I don’t usually use like Googling KARL D to fnd KARL DENVER and a helpful Wikipedia article that said that his best-selling record was WIMOWEH. I could hum but not spell it. That and MICHELLE were the only tunes that I remember hearing though I had heard of all the artists. ARIANA GRANDE I got by Googlng U NEXT. When you know so little of the themes I reckon that anything is fair.
    Thanks to Maskarade and duncansheil

31. Another superb bank holiday offering from Maskarade !! As usual I was a touch daunted when I first saw the puzzle, but that I am used to. After solving one or two “normal” clues I had the bright idea of running a few of the thematic anagrams through an anagram solver just ot see if that helped. Thankfully this yielded ADELE HELLO and OASIS WONDERWALL, which was enough to show me what I was intended to do. The WIMOWEH answer came after solving two or three of the lights in the centre of the grid because it made it obvious that one of the unnumbered anagrams had to produce an answer ending in “H”. I know there have been many, many recordings of “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” but Karl Denver’s name eluded me until I googled further – I have solved enough of Maskarade’s specials to know that we are not expected to be able to finish the puzzle without recourse to Google !! After that it was a steady slog over the three days of the bank holiday to gradually tease out the other anagrams and enough of the “normal” clues to start filling in the grid, and that made solving the remaining clues prograssively easier.

    Many, many thanks to Maskarade and to duncanshiell for such an impeccable blog. I’m particularly impressed with Tom Johnson’s familiarity with the modern pop ouevre – quite creditworthy for a man in his late 70s !

32. It’s all already been said so I’ll be brief. It took a lot of attempts over at least a week before I got there and I treasured every pdm. A total pleasure from beginning to end. Wonderfully designed by Maskerade, and the blog is brilliant. Well done duncanshiell – it must have taken you hours… Chapeau to you both 🎩 and very many thanks 👏

33. I love these puzzles; having to combine solving the word play and do the arithmetic to fit it all in, so thanks to Masqerade and duncanshiell, who must have had a vision to first get Wimoweh at 23A as neither of the W’s can be seen as crossers. It was actually my last in as I was thrown by the split Wonder wall and thought I had gone wrong as my last 10 letter clue had to start with a K which was not in the anagram. I persevered and it finally fell into place

34. Gave up after an hour or so and few clues solved. Can’t say I regret it. As noted on a previous occasion, I still don’t know what “jigsaw-fashion” is supposed to mean. Are not all crossword puzzles jigsaws?

35. poc @24. In jigsaws you have to work out where the pieces go. They’re not numbered.

36. As per Pauline in Brum @32 ( Greetings from a little bit north of Brum :)) it’s all already been said, so simply wanted to add our congratulations and to heap our accolades at the feet of both Maskerade and duncanshiell.
    Brilliant and entertaining crossword and amazingly detailed and beautifully put together blog. Many thanks, both – chapeaux a go go!

37. I always think the jumbo crosswords, being at bank holiday weekends, are designed for the family to join in and this was perfect for that! Depressed that I didn’t get Karl Denver and Wimoweh as that was the first ever single that I bought, back in antiquity!

38. I was happy to get further with this than I have win any other Bank Holiday puzzle and had all the unnumbered answers (wimoweh being my last by a long stretch and only found with some assistance having got Karl Denver as the only reasonable name that would fit. I fell down on a few of the numbered clues and by misplacing queen, girls and hello but with only 8 missing I think I did reasonably well.

39. After about two hours that Saturday morning, and with only about a third of the grid filled, I decided life was too short for this. It was particularly off-putting that the songs used from the BEATLES, WINGS, and ELO were hardly among those bands’ biggest hits, meaning that I probably had other obscurities to come. (Besides those three, when I quit I also had ADELE/HELLO, which was my way into the theme and which was indeed a big hit over here.) I also guessed (correctly) that the music acts in question heavily tilted towards Britons, which would have been an added hurdle for me had I persevered.

    Anyway, congratulations to those who did, and thanks to Maskarade for the challenge, even though I failed it.

40. Oh, and looking at the answers now, the only ones where I am familiar with both the singer and the song are ADELE / HELLO, OASIS / WONDERWALL, and QUEEN / RADIO GA GA. Oh, and Amy Winehouse / REHAB. I have heard of all the acts except GARY NUMAN, GIRLS ALOUD, and KARL DENVER, but not knowing any of the songs by the others would have made this a pretty heavy lift.

41. As usual I disagree with nearly everyone else.
    I got it finished in a couple of days in my room while on holiday in Wales.
    It wasn’t so much difficult as the usual Maskarade-type slog. It just went boringly on and on.
    Sorry, everyone.

42. This rapidly became a team effort and the team plugged away at it for most of that Sat & Sun.
    One of the unnumbereds gave more trouble than all the rest of the puzzle put together. When we had all the crossers for 23A the team fell into a Slough of Despond: we knew we must have screwed up, big-time, for we could find no word that fitted.
    We did get there in the end – though it took an eternity of research and hair tearing-out, plus we all knew that ditty as The Lion Sleeps Tonight.
    Oh well, at least all the other unnumbereds had been well-known names and googleable songs.
    The fun part was tackling the giant beastie together as a group – we doubt it would have been enjoyable as a solo activity.
    Thanks to Maskarade for the challenge, and to duncanshiell for the exhaustive explanations.

43. MrPenney@39 , alas Mull of Kintyre was the biggest selling single for Wings , in fact one of the highest sales ever . Mr Blue Sky also sold millions , there is no accounting for taste . At least we were spared Phil Collins and other examples of yacht rock .

44. We so much look forward to the Bank Holiday Maskarades and this was another tour de force, how on earth does he do it?
    We unexpectedly finished in record time on the Sunday the day after it came out. I think this might have been because I boringly insisted on writing down a list of unclued solution spaces with their letter count and this meant we could start pencilling the anagrams in as soon as we got them. Although very stupidly did not initially realise that solutions were split across spaces but fortuitously only had one casualty before the penny dropped.
    Brilliant blog too, and I have much enjoyed reading others’ comments here. A great many thanks and congratulations to Maskarade and Duncan.

45. [Sorry to be (a bit boringly) repetitive, but I really want the setter and blogger to know why I found this a memorable experience, so I have just tweaked some of what I noted down over a week ago in order that I wouldn’t forget what I wanted to say (though I have read all the previous comments and tried to acknowledge them).]
    I have to echo Caroline@44’s and others’ congratulatory posts. A brilliant Maskarade! I really loved this puzzle even though it was terribly daunting at first and very tough. I was in the same boat as others as it took me several attempts over a few days to complete. With hindsight though, untangling those anagrams was just so much fun once I realised what was going on with singers and songs.
    What a thorough and well written blog from duncanshiell, who did an amazing job of comprehensively detailing his solve and the solutions. Well done! I have to say the blogger’s wide-ranging response was a lot like my process, though I came at the first few solutions from ones more familiar to me like (THE) BEATLES and MICHELLE. For instance, I knew the song WIMOWEH but not KARL DENVER. So as previous comments have pointed out, I needed a bit of judicious research for the performers of certain songs or the discographies of particular artists/groups.
    I have to say that I enjoyed this more than many jigsaws I have attempted because the “straight clues” gave me a lot of toeholds before I even started on the anagrams.
    Big thanks to both Maskarade and Duncan.

46. I drafted a comment about a week ago, but quite missed the deadline to submit it. No matter: it agreed with almost everybody else. What could have been fatal for me, but in fact was a blessing, is that although I am a professional musician (opera director) I know nothing about pop. I had heard of only a third of the singers and only one song (MICHELLE). So it was solving by sheer grit, and all the more enjoyable for that.

47. I gave up on this when I couldn’t find a place for WONDERWALL. I was prepared for multi-word answers to be split but not that one. I felt it more likely that I’d got it wrong than that the word was split in the grid.

    It was a clever crossword — kudos to Maskerade — and I like the jigsaws, but as with all of his puzzles I find I spend too much time googling stuff, and this is not enjoyable for me. Lists of artists who have recorded Wimoweh for instance. I would love a general knowledge jumbo jigsaw just for once.

    Well done to those who went all the way, and thanks to duncanshiell for the hard work!

48. Thanks both. I think as I mature (?) I need more encouragement to persevere with these ‘jumbos’ than this offered me. After an amount of worrying I could gain no further foothold (unlike Jina@45) so a big-time dnf. That being said, it is only now when I read the blog that I notice that the instructions indicated that there was an alphabetical aspect to the anagrams – not, I think. that it would have made a difference but it doesn’t help not to have read the *$% manual.

    Chapeaux to all those who broke through. (I’m afraid that many of the ‘hits’ are news to me as well (although Karl Denver’s version of Wimoweh is totally and annoyingly familiar (and I had the ‘-eh’ ending too (aaaargh))).)

49. When I saw CHARMAINE my first thought was Mantovani.

50. Early on I used a highlighter pen to mark the positions of all the anagrammed answers. Then sat back looking at a grid that seemed to be nearly composed of anagrams. 50-50 of course but still daunting at first. Queen was the aha! moment for me as I went looking for letters X, Z, Q etc within anagrams. The highlighter pen also made the Wonderwall split easy to see. As an older man I am not familiar with the songs of Dua Lipa and Harry Styles, although I recognised the names of all the artists, but searching for them online was more fun than searching for Welsh villages or Brazilian tree-frogs and suchlike. These days I only buy a paper copy of the Guardian three times a year. I bet you can all guess which days those are. Good fun. Thanks to all.

51. Enjoyed this very much – but I don’t think “chips” should be classed as a snack (see 42ac), unless its “chips” in the American sense (ie crisps).

    Didn’t get 12ac or 8d, but then I didn’t resort to Googling them, which would probaby have done the trick.

    4d was a nice bit of misdirection!

52. Thanks 15 Squared for busting this for me, I was completely at a loss….

53. Got most of the clued answers and the song theme but didn’t get started on the anagrams. On the reveal I was aware of all but two of the performers but only knew about seven of the song titles.

54. I dissent from the plaudiits here. Having half of the answers be lengthy anagrams that must be inserted jigsaw style means that no cross lights are available for almost all the clues. I got several of the clues without crosslights, worked out Adele Hello and Queen Radio Gaga, and then was left with a blank grid and a bunch of tedious anagrams to solve. Not to mention “Charmaine” as completely unguessable with the only definition being “thematic”–NHO the song and it’d be hard to find a word that wasn’t used as a song title by someone.

    Can’t even offer that much praise for the constructing the anagrams; long anagrams aren’t that difficult to make with no further constraints. I looked up today’s number one hit and made “Ooh, bag bronze assay” in a couple minutes (Shaboozey, The Bar Song). Points for fitting them into the grid though. But very few obscurities? “Simplon,” an alternate spelling (!) of “chirm,” “Adi Granth,” “Sleat”–all to be done without crosslights.

    Probably no one will read this comment and that’s fine, but this is the rare case where I would rather have had no puzzle at all.

55. matt w @ 54

    The blogger will always read your comment as he / she gets an e-mail every time there is a comment on their blog.

    I can understand that some solvers will not like some puzzles, particularly if the theme is not something they are familiar with or there are some cluing devices that are unusual. I am quite happy for solvers to voice their opinions on setters work or my blogs and your comments give reasons for your view. I find some crossword themes more interesting than others myself.

    I accept ADI GRANTH was obscure and admitted that in the blog. I needed crossing letters to track that one down. The SIMPLON tunnel was one of the earliest railway tunnels through the Alps. I live in Scotland so peninsulas on Skye [SLEAT] are reasonably well known to me.

    When I solved this puzzle myself, I got a few clues by cold solving and then alternated between three or four normal clues and an anagram which allowed me to build up crossing letters. I would have struggled to cold solve all the normal clues. There are though some barred crosswords like Inquisitor, Enigmatic Variations and The Listener which require a great deal of cold solving before any progress can be made.

    I agree with you that the definition for CHARMAINE as ‘thematic’ was not helpful and also mentioned that in the blog. I was lucky that CHARMAINE by the Bachelors was a song from my era. As a blogger, I look at dictionary definitions quite a lot when preparing the blog so CHARM / CHIRM came from that research. There have been barred crosswords that have been based wholly on collective nouns, so I may have had CHIRM for a group of goldfinches stored deeper in the recesses of my mind.

    If we had a crossword like this one every week, I would be a bit miffed, but perhaps 2 or 3 a year at holiday weekends when solvers have more time is reasonable.

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