Financial Times 17,880 by PETO

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1. Deep/late perplexed me too. Does anyone else have any ideas?

2. I think late/deep could be in terms of referring to a point of time relative in a period, e.g. “She scored [deep/late] into the second half of the match”

3. DEEP
   late=DEEP—->Cineraria’s example in the blog works for me.
   SPURIOUS
   Liked it for the ‘we object’ trick.
   Also liked NO DICE, SPOTTED and VIRAGO.
   COMPLIES
   Is the ‘with’ required for the def? Agrees (with)=COMPLIES (with).

   Thanks Peto and Cineraria.

4. I enjoyed this and made steady progress though, for some reason, the down clues went in faster.
   My picks were SPURIOUS, GERMINAL (for the double def), SPOTTED and PECULIAR.
   Cineraria’s on the right track with ‘deep/late’ into the night (my own thoughts were, like, Anonymous A, football-related as in ‘deep into stoppage time’.
   I was thinking ‘thing’ for ‘cup of tea’ seemed loose at first until our blogger reminded me of the intended sense!
   Thanks both to Peto and Cineraria.

5. I enjoyed this puzzle but I had trouble with 3d as ‘laud’ and ‘lord’ are not homphones for me. I guess it all has to do with accent …

6. KVa@3: I could not decide whether it made more sense with “with” or without, so I would not say that without “with” is wrong.

7. Thanks Peto and Cineraria

   21ac: SOED 2007 p 626 has the definition for deep as an adverb “far down, in, on, or back”, with the illustrative quotation “The three men sat up deep into the night”: this matches Cineraria’s suggestion in the blog. The quotation is credited to William Hepworth Dixon (1821-79), of whom I have no further knowledge.

8. Further to 7: Collins 2023 p 523 has “late” explicitly as a meaning for deep adv with the usage illustration they worked deep into the night. I missed it earlier for no good reason.

9. I went down a different rabbit hole for late and deep – misquoting the poem from The Tempest:

   Four fathoms deep my father lies

   But I’ve read references to deep and dead – deep in the earth.

   Anyway, it’s a rabbit hole

   Thank you to Cineraria and Peto.

10. In 22 I think NOD = head, another football reference as in “he nodded/headed the ball into the net”, leaving “expression of refusal” as the definition.

11. DuncT@10: Thank you for that explanation. That seemed to be the intended reading, but I could not confirm that usage of “nod,” and it is not one familiar to me. The closest example in Chambers is: (vt) “[to] direct by a nod,” which is not very informative.

    Shanne@9: I also thought that the common meaning intended for “deep/late” might be “deceased,” but I could not confirm any clear (or even metaphorical) usage of “deep” except in the sense of “buried/submerged.” I would hope that one who is buried or submerged is in fact deceased (or at least using some assistance to breathe), but that does not make the words synonymous.

12. I was going to say I agree with the blogger’s parsing of NO DICE, but now I prefer DuncT’s (unknown to me not being a football watcher).

    I made reasonably steady progress. I enjoy learning new words and meanings, but I lose enthusiasm when there are so many

    Thanks Peto and Cineraria

13. Missed Virago but otherwise a steady solve.

    Peto is not a favourite for me. Far too many clues that I couldn’t satisfactorily parse. Or words and expressions I didn’t know. Also, clueing which is too convoluted . It’s as if the setter is trying to be clever, but too often fails.

14. A satisfying solve although we weren’t sure about deep/’late, and we would say that EMERGENT is not necessarily ‘suddenly appearing’ – things, or whatever, can often emerge slowly from whatever conceals them.
    A minor point about 28ac in the blog: it’s the even letters of ‘once’ after ignoring the odd letters.
    Thanks, Peto and Cineraria.

15. Solved the grid but needed Cineraria’s insights to get a few of the word plays. All in all I enjoyed the puzzle, especially the reference to rugby sevens since as a younger man I played it in the states.

16. Had fun with this but also had problems with lord/laud homophone and did not know virago. Thought deep was ‘six feet down’ Thank you all

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