Guardian Cryptic 29,533 by Vlad

A tough solve – I particularly liked 12ac, 13ac, 21dn, and 25dn. Thanks to Vlad for the puzzle.

There are a number of connections to the HORIZON INQUIRY [wiki] into the Post Office’s false accusations of theft by its subpostmasters based on faulty data produced by the Horizon IT system. 1,14,7 and 26,28 refer to HORIZON INQUIRY (as 8,29), and other surfaces mention “suffering”, “deceit”, “Damaging accusation”. “Hamilton” in 3dn is likely a reference to Jo Hamilton [wiki], one of the wrongly prosecuted subpostmasters.

ACROSS
1, 14, 7 WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT
If then high debt, thief, now it’s different (as often heard at 8,29) (4,3,7,2,9)
definition: not sure if this is directly referencing/quoting a phrase repeated at the Horizon Inquiry, or refers more generally to claims that those in charge at the Post Office were learning about errors in their processes only in hindsight, rather than knowing but choosing not to disclose information beforehand.

the whole surface may be a reference to the Horizon scandal – people accused of theft (“thief”) and expected to repay large amounts of supposedly stolen money (“high debt”); but “now it’s different” with more of the truth coming out

wordplay: anagram/”different” of (If then high debt thief now it’s)*

5 NAPHTHA
Sleep with husband who shortly may be solvent (7)
definition: a type of chemical product that in some cases is used as a solvent

NAP=”Sleep” + H (husband), plus THA-[t]=”who”, “shortly”

10 BUCK
Money abroad that’s often passed (4)
double definition: a ‘buck’ is a dollar in the US; and a reference to the phrase ‘passing the buck’
11 BARGAINERS
Dealers bring area work to a point (10)
anagram/”work” of (bring area)*, plus S (South, “a point” of the compass)
12 BIG MAC
Writer taking grandmother separately for cheap meal (3,3)
BIC (the brand of ballpoint pen, “Writer”), around G (grand) + MA=”mother”

two parts of “grand//mother” are used “separately” in the wordplay

13 PINT-SIZE
Very little that’s produced locally, you might say – loud groans (4-4)
a PINT can be said to be “produced locally” i.e. ‘produced in a local [pub]’

plus SIZE which sounds like (“loud”): ‘sighs’=”groans”

14
See 1
 
16 AGONY
Agreed about a lot of past suffering (5)
AY=yes=”Agreed”, around a lot of the letters from GON-[e]=”past”
17 STIFF
Hard countering strong suits (5)
reversal/”countering” of F (forte, “strong”) + FITS=”suits”
19 CRUELTIES
Regret about 21? Time to stop deceit and actions causing suffering (9)
RUE=”Regret”, with C (circa, “about”) going in front (i.e. EARLIER, solution to 21dn), plus T (“time”) inside LIES=”deceit”
23 FARM SHOP
Fellow hurts after cycling to work in retail outlet (4,4)
F (Fellow) + HARMS=”hurts” with its first letter “cycling” round behind its other letters + OP (opus, “work”)
24 SLURRY
Damaging accusation! Case of robbery? It’s full of crap! (6)
definition: slurry meaning a liquid mixture containing waste (“crap”)

SLUR=”Damaging accusation” plus outer letters/”Case” of R-[obber]-Y

26, 28 COLLECTIVE AMNESIA
A vile con! Timescale used to reveal feature of 8,29 (10,7)
definition: reference to people questioned at the Horizon Inquiry not managing to recall details of what had happened

anagram/”used” of (A vile con Timescale)*

27 UNIT
One not suitable for position (female) resigned (4)
UN-[f]-IT=”not suitable for position”, with F (female) leaving
28
See 26
 
29 INQUIRY
Hearing in question – one to overcome injustice finally (7)
IN (“in” from surface) + QU-e-RY=”question” with I=”one” replacing [injustic]-e
DOWN
2 INUTILE
Nancy’s vain wearing uniform and old-fashioned hat (7)
definition: INUTILE in French means useless=”vain”, and Nancy is the name of a city in France

IN=”wearing” + U (uniform, NATO alphabet) + TILE=[old-fashioned word for] “hat”

3 HOKUM
Rubbish! From the outset Hamilton right, I think (5)
“outset” or first letter of H-[amilton] + OK=”right” + UM=something said while hesitating=’I am [still] thinking’=”I think”
4 HIBACHI
Hello, hello, taking taxi turned up heater (7)
HI HI=”Hello, hello”, around CAB=”tax” reversed/”turned up”
6 AVAUNT
Get away from the past – have boundaries ignored by follower of 16 (6)
definition: “from the past” as AVAUNT is an old-fashioned way to say “Get away”

[h]-AV-[e] (“have” from the surface, with outer letters or “boundaries” ignored) + AUNT

AUNT can follow AGONY (solution to 16ac) to form the phrase ‘agony aunt’

7
See 1 Across
 
8 HORIZON
Line I cross in the grip of feeling randy (why cancelled) (7)
I + ZO=”cross”, both inside: HORN-[y]=”randy” with ‘y’=”why” removed

a ZO is a cross between the yak and domestic cattle

9 CRYPTOGRAPHIC
See doctor portray GP – ‘I’m a little bit drunk’ – in secret (13)
C (the letter called “See”), plus anagram/”doctor” of (portray GP)*, plus HIC=sound of a hiccup, which may mean “I’m a little bit drunk”
15 EN FAMILLE
Without ceremony for the French nurse – nothing grand as she’d say (2,7)
definition: French for within the family, that can describe situations where people act ‘at home’ or “Without ceremony”

EN (Enrolled Nurse) + FA (‘f*** all’, “nothing”) + MILLE=a thousand in French=”grand as [the French nurse would] say”

18 TEAROOM
Cafe rent’s low on reflection (7)
TEAR=a rip or a split=”rent” + MOO=”low” reversed/”on reflection”
20 EASTERN
Time for New Yorker, released from centre, to get back (7)
reference to the US Eastern Time Zone

the centre of [rel]-EA-[sed] + STERN=”back”

21 EARLIER
More upset head’s been sacked over school’s sixth former (7)
[t]-EARIER=”More upset” with the “head” letter removed; plus the sixth letter from [schoo]-L
22 CHICHI
Endlessly elegant? Doubly pretentious (6)
CHI-[c] CHI-[c]=”Endlessly elegant”, twice/”Doubly”
25 ULURU
The Rock in classic film which doesn’t start with sport (5)
definition: the Australian landmark, also known as Ayers Rock

[z]-ULU=”classic film” without its starting letter + RU (Rugby Union, “sport”)

85 comments on “Guardian Cryptic 29,533 by Vlad”

  1. I’m sorry, but when the answer is actually a French word (INUTILE), things have gone too far.

    Credit to manehi – I don’t envy you having a Vlad to parse.

  2. Tough but enjoyable. My mind was quite perturbed about the result of the US election so I am amazed that I could finish this puzzle.

    Favourite: HOKUM.

    New for me: HIBACHI=heater.

    I didn’t parse the PINT bit of 13ac; 17ac; the ZO= cross bit of 8d; the CHIC part of 9d; 15d.

  3. I suspect 27a UNIT is a dig against Paula Vennells, not that I saw the theme solving this. I needed the blog to parse STIFF.

    Vlad in chewy form. Thank you manehi.

  4. I found this very tough but got there eventually. LOI INUTILE. Great blog, and I’m glad you explained the Horizon scandal Manehi, I doubt some of our overseas solvers would know about it although headline news here.
    COLLECTIVE AMNESIA seems timely today… AVAUNT second to LOI was quite brilliant. Many thanks Vlad for the very STIFF challenge.

  5. I was another distracted by events elsewhere dominated by yet more deceit. A good puzzle, but I needed some help to finish it. Great blog to unravel it all.

  6. Crispy @1 – Chambers has: inutility, noun: lack of utility, uselessness, unprofitableness, something useless; inutile, adjective.
    So I think the answer (which I didn’t get, having also failed to get BUCK) is an admittedly rarely used word of French origin, rather than a French word per se.
    Quite brilliant piece of work by Vlad; as Shanne @ 3 observes, Vlad in really chewy form. It took me about 20 minutes to get anything more than SLURRY. But as it gradually fell into place, it was one delight after another. I await Vlad’s take on the disaster across the pond.
    Thanks to Vlad for a first-rate puzzle and to manehi for a superb blog which explained virtually all (like Shanne, I’m sure the surface of 27a is a reference to the would-be Bishop of London, and I think there are a number of other Horizon-related shafts in the surfaces).

  7. I thoroughly enjoyed this puzzle – some lovely clues (EN FAMILLE, ULURU, COLLECTIVE AMNESIA and AVAUNT spring to mind)
    I do find Vlad increasingly accessible, or less ‘impalish’, and always a satisfying solve
    Many thanks to setter and blogger – I appreciated the joy, and digression, on this day of unwanted news

  8. I’m not sure I had the mental resilience for a Vlad this morning. And I was beaten by both the French terms. I don’t recall ever learning the French for ‘vain’ during GCSE and I was unaware of the nuance that leads to EN FAMILLE being equivalent to ‘informally’. The long phrase is not one I associate with the inquiry but I may not have been following it closely enough. Throw in a few other unknowns like HIBACHI and some fairly tricky constructions such as those for EARLIER and CRYPTOGRAPHIC and it made for a tough solve that needed two goes at it.

    Thanks Vlad and manehi

  9. NeilH @ 6 – I get your point, but when the definition part of the clue is “Nancy’s vain”, then surely the answer is French, n’est-ce pas?

  10. Fifty years ago I sat in front of a Maths A-level paper, and suffered total brain fog. Twenty minutes before I even picked up my pen.
    This puzzle was like history repeating itself.
    Well, maths, but you get the picture.

    Phew. This was a struggle and a half. I have quite a few reservations about certain clues, solutions, and “fairness”, but I can’t deny the satisfaction of finishing.
    Which I suppose is a maxim for tackling the tougher cryptic setters.
    After my maths exam, my schoolmates all declared it “easy”. Well, it wasn’t…..and neither was this!

  11. Wow. Toughest solve for quite a while with much use of pattern searching, but once I had enough letters for BENEFIT the dominoes started to fall. Also resorted to electronic help with the anagram for 26,28.
    Agree that INUTILE has no place in an English language crossword. Guessed it might be the French word but Google Translate gave VAINE as the main translation.

    Off topic, but very much on everyone’s mind: what has gone wrong with the US education system?

    Thanks to Vlad & manehi

  12. I woke up in a bit of a sour mood, and I’m afraid this puzzle didn’t help – too clever by half for me. (As PM@8 lacking my usual reserves of resilience!)

    Some words were obscure/NHO, which makes life tough but is absolutely fair. Some French answer, where I felt the nuance of EN FAMILLE wasn’t really a route I approve of – where do we draw the line with idiomatic meanings from other languages??

    I struggled with many of the double indirections (i.e. a CD which then needs letters removing to form the wordplay), but no objection to it for the smarter solvers out there!

    Mainly though, I just found many of the surfaces to be awkward, which for me detracts from the enjoyment – 1a set the tone with the huge anagram of an apparently unparseable surface, referencing two other clues – not my cup of tea.

    TEAROOM was a lovely clue, with the excellent misdirection from “rent” and “low”.

    Thanks Vlad for reminding me I’ve still got a long way to go, and kudos to manehi for the blog!

  13. Absolutely brilliant puzzle from Vlad, following his earlier treatment of this despicable affair https://www.fifteensquared.net/2021/06/19/guardian-saturday-puzzle-28470-vlad/ (it’s difficult to believe it was over three years ago) and a superb blog, manehi.

    So many references – passing the BUCK, AGONY, CRUELTIES, SLURRY, – and, worst outrage for me, for the reason NeilH @6 points out, the highly allusive 27ac.

    I’m going to stop now and calm down, I hope.

    Huge thanks to Vlad – don’t give up on this! – and to manehi.

  14. Massive anagrams on an unfamiliar subject: I obviously haven’t been following the Horizon business closely enough, so this was a DNF. I did manage to separate the grandmother (clever) and for once I identified my old enemy the ZO=cross (beloved of crossword setters and Scrabble fiends). But Vlad defeated me as usual.

    INUTILE wasn’t in my Chambers – even with the Nancy indicator it’s a bit of a stretch. Never mind, it’s a good excuse for another earworm:

    Crispy@9: is it therefore allowable to clue any word in French, as long as it is indicated as such?

  15. Gladys @14 – That’s a topic that’s been discussed here many times, and probably will be many more times. Things such as “Nice one” for “un” as part of the construction of a solution I can (just about) cope with, but in this case, assuming Manehi’s parsing is right, and I have no reason to doubt it, Vlad is saying the solution is a French word. That seems wrong for an English crossword.

  16. INUTILE is in the Chambers app (on IOS) so once I’d ruled out Nancy Sinatra, Mitford & Pelosi I just assumed it was a reference to the French origin of the word? There were plenty of bigger and trickier fish to fry today

    Top marks for HORIZON, CRYPTOGRAPHIC & CRUELTIES

    I thought some of the clue cross-referencing was very cleverly done

    Cheers M&V

  17. This left me feeling rather glum – not through the trickiness of the crossword itself but from reminding myself of the PO/Horizon issue whilst watching the election results roll in across the pond, just didn’t make for a fun morning.

    Enjoyed the challenge though, and thanks Manehi for the blog which helped clear up my couple of unparsed ones.

  18. I found this quite tough but it provided an enjoyable mental workout and a welcome distraction from a certain other event happening today. As an Aussie, I knew of the Horizon scandal (from the G) but not much of the detail. But many phrases apply universally where greed and self interest are the bottom line, meaning the multiple word answers rang loud bells. I thought the anagrams were brilliant, for both COLLECTIVE AMNESIA and WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT (sounds very Yes Minister).
    At least being Australian was an advantage for ULURU, even if I didn’t parse it.
    Excellent blog manehi for both the parsings and the background info. There were bits of answers I hadn’t parsed, eg ZO=cross, classic film=Zulu and the parsing of Famille.
    I did like INUTILE. I’m always happy to see the odd French word, especially if indicated. I don’t understand the objections when Latin can be freely used and for UK solvers, France is just across the Channel.
    I also liked AVAUNT – a very clever clue and quite Shakespearean.
    Many thanks to Vlad and manehi

  19. I actually managed INUTILE as it’s very similar to Spanish INUTIL. The sense is ‘useless’ rather than ‘overly proud’. Not sure that’s sufficient justification even if it’s in Chambers.
    As for the rest, hopeless. I can never get long anagrams without many crossers, and here the difficulty was rather the reverse: I needed the anagram to get the crossers, after which many of them did fall, but not enough for satisfaction. Not a complaint, but this was far beyond me.

  20. Not so much a DNF as a DNStart for me. After an initial pass yielded absolute nothing, I accepted that Vlad is beyond me. I feel slightly better for learning that knowledge of a very British scandal about which I know nothing was relevant, but I’m not sure it would have helped.

    I’m glad that the more skilled among us found something to really test their wits, and shall look forward to a gentler test tomorrow.

  21. Memories of Araucaria and Bunthorne here
    Election news was thin on the ground so I fastened my seat belt as I smelt a mighty puzzle
    I got Collective Amnesia first and gently plodded on.
    Although the subject was a UK one, I thought it connected well with his last Tyrus
    ULURA was brilliant
    Great puzzle. Thanks JT and manehi

  22. I agree with others about the difficulty and the satisfaction of getting (all but one of) the answers.
    Inutile is in my Chambers hardback but it gives the meaning as ‘useless’ rather than vain, so I needed the blog to parse it.
    I think knowing the Horizon scandal helped me quite a bit actually, so sorry to those for whom it was new.
    It certainly took my mind off the disaster across the pond.
    Thanks masses to Vlad and manehi

  23. Not the easiest of puzzles… Lots of typically intricate Vlad constructions. Clever use of the theme, but somewhat at the expense of this great setter’s usually polished surfaces. And the split entries and cross-referencing, which I’m not particularly fond of, made this, for me, a crossword to be greatly admired rather than loved.

    But there was much to enjoy – I liked PINT SIZE, AGONY, CRUELTIES, EARLIER, TEAROOM. I don’t have a problem with the French expressions, per se, but I understand the quibbles about defining them as French when they have been adopted into English.

    Thanks to Vlad and manehi

  24. INUTILE was my LOI, and I knew it would provoke discussion. But I guessed it would be in some English dictionary; we do have ‘utilise’ in English. Looking at the previous comments I can see I’m not alone in found getting started quite tough, even though I solved HORIZON fairly quickly which made INQUIRY a write-in. Agree the puzzle was masterful from Vlad. Lots to like including FARM SHOP and ULURU, and I’m sure ‘WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT’ was used in at least one answer in the inquiry. Also agree it was nice to have something to take my mind off the horrendous news from the US. Thanks to Vlad and manehi.

  25. Managed to complete this without aids but also without understanding quite how. Perhaps that also sums up the result of the U.S. election.

  26. Completed this only with quite a bit of help – an online anagram finder (WITH THE BENEFIT OF…) a missing-letter word finder (CRYPTOGRAPHIC) and two reveals (CRUELTIES, EARLIER). But still very enjoyable and a distraction from the night’s events. Amazing (with the benefit of hindsight) how many clues and solutions fit or at least allude to the theme. Unlike others I enjoyed the français though perhaps a measure of our chichi double-pretentiousness that either could be dropped in at our dinner table if en famille.

  27. [Comment from lexicographer Susie Dent:
    Word of the day is
    ‘recrudescence’ (17th century): the return of something terrible after a time of reprieve.]

  28. I agree with those who thought this was excellent, if pretty difficult.
    It seems to me that knowledge of foreign languages is just a branch of general knowledge. Admittedly it would get pretty confusing with languages that don’t use the Latin alphabet! INUTILE=useless=vain (as in ‘a vain attempt’) is easy enough to guess if you know the English words with the same root (utility, etc). And EN FAMILLE as a borrowing from French is fairly common in English, and it’s not such a big jump to realise it implies lack of formality.
    Thanks Vlad and manehi.

  29. Sadly, this is the sort of puzzle that really puts me off. I see I’m not alone.
    Thankfully there are many different compilers to tackle!

  30. Patrick Bourke, the PO executive, in one part of the Horizon / PO enquiry, according to the BBC:

    “Mr Bourke accepted that with the benefit of hindsight, he ought to have included the information about balancing transactions, software bugs and a discredited witness in his briefing for ministers.”

    If you hear someone say we’re eating EN FAMILLE, it usually means kitchen supper, as against a formal dinner in the dining room – it goes with the U and non-U discussion. I suspect en famille is in the non-U category and kitchen supper is in the U (just from the mental image of various faces in my past wincing).

  31. And INUTILE has been in use in English. It wasn’t unfamiliar to me, but felt old. Checking the OED, it lists uses from the 1400s to the late 1880s, but not commonly. The OED says it’s coming back, but seems to be a borrowing from the French.

  32. Thanks Vlad and manehi

    Terrific puzzle!

    The OED and Chambers each have both inutile (going back to 1484) and en famille with the meanings given here, so Vlad is off the hook even if one doesn’t like their inclusion on a UK crossword.

  33. [Shanne @32: To refer to an evening meal, however informal and EN FAMILLE, as ‘supper’ is definitely U. I have drifted sufficiently from my Northern English roots to refer to such a repast as ‘dinner’ rather than ‘tea’, but ‘supper’ remains for me merely a snack before bedtime 🙂 ]

  34. Soundly defeated by Vlad today. But appreciated the fine clueing and misdirections after having eventually to reveal nearly half the solutions…

  35. [Gervase – the poshest people I know would call it kitchen supper and wince at en famille. The en famille would be seen as a bit coy and twee. The phrase would be come for supper, it’ll be a pot luck in the kitchen.]

  36. Gee, Guardian, thanks for giving us Vlad at his toughest on a morning when most of your readers are feeling quite devastated.
    I’m sitting now looking at a completed grid that was only completed thanks to copious use of the check button. In retrospect, as a long-term Private Eye subscriber, I should have got the INQUIRY link to HORIZON much EARLIER, so mea culpa for that. But thank goodness that’s over.

  37. After the news from the US, a Vlad puzzle, which I usually look forward to, was off the radar for today.

  38. From my following of the Horizon Inquiry, and elsewhere, “With the benefit of hindsight“ is cant for “Now that I’ve been found out”. Oh, and many thanks to Vlad, at his fiendish best; and per Crispy @1, TFF manehi.

  39. All. I think you’re missing my point. It’s not a case of INUTILE being in use in English. The definition part of the clue is, effectively, “French for vain”. If this had been setby Anto, there would have been nothing but criticism.

  40. Depressing morning all round but clever puzzle nonetheless.

    Ta Vlad and well done manehi for sorting this lot out.

  41. Not for me, thanks. Couldn’t get on the wavelength at all and, having glanced through the blog (for which thanks, as ever, to the blogger), I’m not at all sorry that I threw the towel in.

  42. After doing this one I tackled an old VLAD crossword, no 27850 from June 18 2019. The solution to 20d ‘Bid that liberal America would welcome ‘ 2,5 was painfully topical for today.

  43. Hardest crossword in months. One on first pass and took a tremendous amount of chiselling and supposition to solve. LOI Inutile like many others

  44. What a great crossword – was running late this am so this was an afternoon solve. Longest solve for weeks – a tour de force

    Thanks Vlad and Manehi

    Note to Crossword Ed. Can we have more of these please – not too many but enough to keep our edges sharp.

  45. Thought Venice would be a good place to take in the US election. The city has seen so much and nothing perturbs it. Except, of course, rising sea levels. Just one more thing to worry about with yesterday’s utterly shameful outcome. So my heart really wasn’t in this; or rather my mind kept wandering. After completing half I gave up. Not done that in years. I found some of it rather contrived and agree that “inutile” was not very fair. I have some French, and thought Nancy a likely indicator, but couldn’t get there. Perhaps if I’d been in a brighter mood. A shame really as the weather is perfect. Here’s to a better World…one day it will come.

  46. I felt fortunate being in the Vlad zone, mostly, for this offering. The surfaces seemed to be pointing to something nefarious which was eventually revealed with 8/29. I enjoyed the solve, but needed manehi’s help in getting me over the line in fully parsing my last two in CRUELTIES and EARLIER.
    I have one tiny little question remaining. What’s the ‘s doing in the surface for TEAROOM , Cafe rent’s low on reflection, apart from being misdirecting? It doesn’t work with the solution.

  47. Paddymelon@57 – I think you have to read it as a contraction of “rent has”.

    Terrific puzzle (as ever) from Vlad

  48. Thanks both but not much entertainment for me – it scored 7 on my scale (not a good score).

    An aspect is that the HORIZON INQUIRY meant nothing to me (my bad) so that I had trouble breaking into the larger anagrams (although I managed to deduce the HINDSIGHT one from crossers) and the COLLECTIVE AMNESIA one was beyond me at every level. I plugged away (enjoying CHICHI en passant) until I had to resort to revelations and, as so often at this point, discovered that I would have been going nowhere no-how.

    All that being said these things are subjective and I recognise that for those who completed it this must have been a real treat (I do enjoy a Vlad – finishing one can be a real fist-pump moment (fpm?)).

    gladys@14: I thought of that earworm too – it strikes me that it represents the last vestige of the use of ‘wheree’er’ in common parlance. [There’s word – ‘isn’t it a ### one and just…..’ that I can’t make out. Can anyone help?]

  49. Ah, ok DuncT @58. Thanks. I was misdirected. That’s clever the way it reads in the surface, making the def appear to be cafe rent (is) and the has reading in the word play.

  50. Just couldn´t get on the right wavelength of this one. Gave up, had a nap and still got nowhere. Just one of those days I hope!

  51. I always enjoy a Vlad puzzle and was pleased to get all but four of the answers.

    I had MARK instead of BUCK which I think fits nicely, but I can’t say that stopped me getting INUTILE as I missed EN FAMILLE as well!

  52. I wished for a chewier offering and my wish was granted. Having put in HOKUM, BUCK and BIG MAC as my first three, I felt sure we had a US theme given yesterdays events.

    Took a long time to figure out the true theme, and I’m not sure it particularly helped.

    As always , with the benefit of hindsight, all was fair, even INUTILE my LOI.

    Thanks Vlad and manehi

  53. Another one, like Pace @20, for whom it was more like DNS rather than DNF.

    I got a total of one and a half clues, possibly my worst ever showing. Ah well, perhaps tomorrow might have a better start, in all sorts of ways.

  54. Just managed to avoid impalement on this one – INQUIRY was my LOI after a lot of thought – surprisingly seeing as it’s part of the theme. I think UN[f]IT could equally apply to a certain individual elected today – am I allowed to mention that? 🙁

    Not sure whether See for C in CRYPTOGRAPHIC is really kosher – should it be something like “See reported…” or similar? No doubt opinions will vary.

    Rest was fine though pretty tough, especially the two French ones (I at first tried EX TEMPORE but it didn’t work). And CHICHI was a new word to me (after rejecting SMARMY) – but anyone else remember the panda?

    Thanks to Vlad the Impaler and manehi.

  55. Gervase@35 substitute Midland for Northern and that is my exact experience. Dinner was tea, which I now view as a mid afternoon light meal but supper will always be a pre bedtime snack, usually biscuits and a glass of milk. Although, ironically, I never once ate a supper.

  56. Thanks to manehi for an informative blog and to others who commented.

    Surprised by criticism (in one case unnecessarily snarky) of the surfaces. 1,14,7 may not be elegant but, within the constraints of the anagram, doesn’t it describe accurately the corporate reaction to what should have been obvious in the first place (as manehi explained)?

    Also surprised by the dogmatic reaction of some to INUTILE. The word would be familiar in Nancy, obviously, but has been adopted by the English, otherwise it would not have been used. It appears in Collins and the ODE.

    I realise we’re all depressed by events in America but there’s one small crumb of consolation. Last time I looked, Kari Lake was losing in Arizona.

  57. Almost managed it all, and enjoyed it. But is “loud” acceptable for “sounds like” (13ac)? They’re not the same.

  58. Vlad@68 you are one of my favourite setters so I’m disappointed you feel you’re being criticised. I commented on the Guardian that I like Vlad but found that a bit too Vladdy. That’s a criticism of me not you. I think most people enjoyed it. There will always be niggles by purists. I’m a French speaker who didn’t get inutile which is an example of why for me it was at times too Vladdy. But I enjoyed it and will continue to be pleased to see Vlads appear and even more pleased to get very close to solving them.

  59. I found this difficult but not outrageously so. INUTILE was constructable, particularly with crossers, and the link to e.g. utilise/utility in English helped. I was a bit thrown by the French indicator, which I would think suggests a relatively common foreign word (which INUTILE is not) rather than an admittedly rare English word of that origin (which it appears it is). But no matter.

    I somehow figured out the main anagram with a few crossers, which opened up the rest of the grid, although have to say that I rarely bother fully parsing such long clues. The Horizon Inquiry has been in the UK news a lot this year, so it seems perfectly fair fodder for a UK puzzle.

    Thanks both.

  60. I’d say this was knotty rather than chewy, some longish clues that took a lot of back and forth unpicking. Any more French (LOI) and Shakespearean and I think I’d have been stumped but having the theme with its phrases and long anagrams made this a masterly and fair grid IMHO. Thank you Vlad – and manehi – for a whole day’s entertainment (including a half-hour back to bed in the afternoon with pen, paper and the dog!)

  61. A belated vote of approval from me – tricky but perfectly fair clueing which led to several satisfying lightbulb moments.
    As usual, I didn’t see the theme until the very end, despite having been a fascinated watcher of the Horizon evidence sessions on YouTube. An absolutely compulsive parade of corporate and individual blindness, incompetence, and (in some cases) malignity.
    And then I look across the pond…….
    Thanks, Vlad.

  62. I loved this, but only got the last couple after a night’s sleep. I think this happens. The brain works away while you sleep. I view events in the US like the weather. You just have to live through it.

  63. After the CHI CHI HIBACHI I stopped trying, revealed the rest then tried to parse them. I now know why I didn’t understand HORIZON INQUIRY so thanks manehi.

  64. Perhaps people have been too busying arguing over the Frenchness of the solution to notice that 15d EN FAMILLE doesn’t work as a construction. In order for the “grand as she’d say” to give MILLE, then the nurse in the cryptic content would need to be a French nurse. But a French nurse would not be an EN.

  65. STIFF challenge, which I only finished this morning. But I have even more excuses than most. Not just the election results, which demoralised me so much that my NOvember resolution to stop smoking took a hit early in the day and I only managed about a third of the clues before I went to the dentist to get a mould made for a partial denture and she decided that one more tooth had to come out. Then a desperate rush across town, forgetting my painkillers, for the weekly grandchild duty for the rest of the day…
    …but I’m not one to complain. Great puzzle!

  66. Wow! What an astonishing number of solvers who “loved” this. Well, I suppose I did too, but as a challenge rather than something actually enjoyable and aesthetically pleasing.

    No problem with INUTILE or EN FAMILLE, but despite having followed the absolute skewering of some fairly hopeless and nasty people in roles they should never have been in, the word INQUIRY never crossed my mind, not even after I got HORIZON, and the surface was too smooth for me to find anything that would unravel. I had nothing at all in that part of the grid until I revealed 29a, whereupon they all appeared, one by one, as if by magic.

    So that’s a massive dnf for me, but I loved every minute. No, really. 🥴

    Thanks Vlad and manehi.

  67. Abandoned after two days with two unsolved: ULURU and UNIT. A dispiriting number of the rest were “Guess and Check” or “Bung and Shrug” for me. Thanks manehi for taking on the Herculean labour of sorting it all out.

  68. Laccaria@65. Quite understand how you feel about the news (I happen to feel the same) but I think it’s best to avoid politics on a forum for other topics. We only have in common our interest in crosswords here and we don’t know the political views of others. Hence it could cause hostility and put people off the forum.

  69. On topic this time.
    I saw the anagram for COLLECTIVE AMNESIA but still don’t understand how it is a feature of agony aunt (6,29). Can anyone enlighten me?
    Thanks to manehi for the parsing of EARLIER. I got it completely wrong. I thought the definition was “more upset” and thought “sixth former” meant the sixth letter of formeR. Hence I assumed earlier was somehow vaguely synonymous with the answer and couldn’t see where school fitted in.

  70. 29: I had ENQUIRY = question and just substituted I for the first E, rather than going to IN+QU(E->I)RY. Still works?

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