Thanks(?) to Enigmatist.
Apologies again for the late blog. It was a slog not helped by what looked like jumbled wordplay. Is that a theme?
Across
8. This fighter set out to damage legislature (8)
GUERILLA : “set” deleted from(out) anagram of(to damage) “legislature” . Wordplay seems to be jumbled.
9. Split personalities then repair boat? (6)
VESSEL : SELVES(personalities/the qualities that make people unique individually) divided into 2 halves(Split) and rejoined with the second half first(then repair).
Defn: An example of which/? is a ….
10. Right to back vote for a woman (4)
KAYE : Extreme right letter of(Right to) “back” + AYE(a yes vote). Does “right” indicate “extreme right”?
Defn: Name for a woman.
11. More than one competent fighter strips outside town (5,5)
GREEN BELTS : Double defn: 1st: Those/more than one martial arts fighter who have achieved a certain level of competence; and 2nd: Areas of open land surrounding a town/city on which building is restricted.
12. Entity issuing fire, like working TV? (6)
DRAGON : [DRAG ON](like a TV/a person wearing drag/clothes normally associated with the opposite sex performing/working – “TV” being derived from “transvestite”).
Defn: Mythical ….
14. Italian writer admitted time was not kind to those hearing this case (3,5)
THE COURT : ECO(Umberto, the Italian writer) contained in(admitted) [ T(abbrev. for “time”) + HURT(was not kind to/caused pain to) ]. Another where the wordplay looks jumbled?
15. Sort of mechanical man’s knocked out of cup (7)
CHALICE : Anagram of(Sort of) [ “mechanical” minus(…’s knocked out of) “man” ].
17. Writer emphatically does not like the teeth of some animals (7)
ISODONT : [ I SO DON’T ](what the writer, using the first person pronoun self-referentially, might say to emphasise that he/she does not, say, want to do).
Answer: Describing some animals’ teeth which are of the same size and shape.
20. Armstrong, say – or GNORTSMRA? (8)
SPACEMAN : Reversal of(as “GNORTSMRA” is of “Armstrong”) [NAME in CAPS](an example of/say what “Armstrong” is written in capital letters like “GNORTSMRA”).
Answer: Neil, the first person to walk on the moon.
22. It houses royal secretary who’s paid to assist doctor … (6)
PALACE : PA(abbrev. for “personal secretary”, a paid employee serving as an assistant) + LACE(to doctor/to add and mix an ingredient, say, alcohol into a drink)
23. … the King was in this depressed state (4,6)
BLUE HAWAII : BLUE(depressed/sad) + HAWAII(a US state).
Answer: Film which starred Elvis Presley, nicknamed the King of Rock and Roll..
24. A selection of Turkish tobacco rolling one way and the other (4)
BOTH : Hidden in(A selection of) reversal of(… rolling) “Turkish tobacco”.
25. Quietly great player acquires instrument for a pound? (6)
PESTLE : ? PELE(great Brazilian football player) containing(acquires) ST(quietly?)
Defn: A heavy tool used for pounding, say, spices in a mortar.
26. Is it Lynam and O’Connor circling one officer sees? (8)
DIOCESES : DESES(plural of the first name of Des Lynam, sports commentator and Des O’Connor, singer and TV presenter) containing(circling) [ I(Roman numeral for “one”) + CO(abbrev. for “commanding officer”) ].
Defn: …/seats of authority of bishops or archbishops.
Down
1. Gulf City, Japanese mount, securing Ascot’s first cheer (8)
FUJAIRAH : FUJI(mountain in Japan) containing(securing) 1st letter of(…’s first) “Ascot” + RAH!(a cheer of encouragement or approval).
Answer: Capital city of the United Arab Emirates on the Gulf of Oman.
2. Read cons will be waiving right (4)
TRUE : “construe”(to interpret/to read) minus(… will be waiving) “cons”. Another jumbled wordplay?
3. Wine-carrier fine muddling along (6)
FLAGON : Anagram of(muddling) ALONG.
4. The authority with which one rules one’s robes a joke (7)
MAJESTY : MY(the first person possessive pronoun for one/oneself) containing(robes) [A + JEST(a joke) ].
5. It’s payback time for us English, landing in States (8)
AVENGERS : ENG(abbrev. for “English”) contained in(landing in) AVERS(states/declares).
Defn: The “us” in ….
6. A rising couturier Nick dresses like a star (10)
ASTEROIDAL : A + [ DIOR(Christian, French couturier) contained in(… dresses) STEAL(to nick) ].
Defn: Something shaped ….
7. Employee of 14 bar counsel at first oddly rejects (6)
JESTER : 1st letter of(… at first) “counsel” deleted from(bar …) anagram of(oddly) “rejects”. Another clue with what looks like jumbled wordplay?
Defn: Employee of the court(answer to 14 across), the royal courts of old, that is.
13. Good Catholic is still looking after aging birds (10)
GOLDCRESTS : G(abbrev. for “good”) [ C(abbrev. for “Catholic”) + RESTS(is still/lies without movement) placed after(looking after) OLD(aging/elderly) ].
16. After correspondence, friend departs to the far south (8)
COMPARED : COMPADRE(a friend/companion) with “d”(abbrev. for “departs”) moved down(to the far south, in a down clue).
18. Refinement links to the French Riviera? (8)
NICETIES : TIES(links/bonds) of(to the) NICE(city in and representative of the French Riviera).
19. Broadcast grenade warning on the piste (2,5)
EN GARDE : Anagram of(Broadcast) GRENADE.
Defn: In a fencing bout, which sport is conducted on a piste/a marked rectangular area, a call to a fencer to adopt a defensive position in readiness for an attack.
21. Rising marksman recording shot (6)
PELLET : Reversal of(Rising, in a down clue) [ TELL(William, the legendary Swiss crossbowman/marksman) + EP(abbrev. for “extended play”, a format for a music recording) ].
Answer: A small bullet.
22. Corrupt chamber appears to be working (6)
POISON : PO(a chamber pot, or, obsoletely, a chamber) + [IS ON](appears to be working/operating).
24. Beer in a fancy wine bar’s neglected (4)
BREW : “in a” deleted from(…’s neglected) anagram of(fancy) “wine bar”. Another one where the wordplay seems jumbled?
Enigmatist is usually too much for my 4 a.m. brain and I tend to turn over and leave him until the daylight hours. But I thought I’d see if I could just establish a foothold and slowly solved five clues. Three of these were (FOI) FLAGON, plus TRUE and THE COURT. Lightbulb moment. This was THE COURT JESTER, starring Danny KAYE, and the famous, ‘FLAGON with the DRAGON … VESSEL with the PESTLE … CHALICE from the PALACE’ sequence. And having seen where JH was going with this, I now had about ten more solutions looking for a clue, which made things a great deal easier and quicker. By the time I was left with the remaining non-themers I had a lot of crossing letters to help. Never has a theme been so helpful. Good fun, which Enigmatist generally isn’t.
Man this was tough.
The theme totally passed me by…
I had exactly the same experience as Balfour@1, but I did have to check the words of the song online. Enjoyable but very tricky in spots – I failed to parse SPACEMAN and AVENGERS.
Obviously on a different wavelength to me.
I haven’t got a clue how to parse most of these
As always, I didn’t get the theme until everything was solved. and then it screamed at me, as my dad took me to see the film when it first came out in 1955. But there were a number of solutions I couldn’t parse, so well done scchua – as there were hundreds of solvers like me attempting to reach the blog and get explanations
After looking at all the answers I can seriously say this is one of the most unpleasant crosswords I’ve seen for a long time
So. I finished it (a bit of a challenge). And then looked back at it one last time to check a couple of parsings. And the theme suddenly popped out. Why had I missed it before?
Wonderful!
Thanks to E and S!
And here it is…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9f2rnjB84
Thanks Enigmatist and scchua
A DNF – I revealed KAYE and TRUE and still didn’t understand them. There were several other ones unparsed too.
I questioned the PO in 22d. A po is the slang term for a chamber POT, not a chamber.
I still don’t get SPACEMAN even with your explanation.
There’s a theme, but I didn’t remember it until I was walking back from shopping!
I loved this but found it extremely difficult. I’m OK with ‘the jumbled wordplay’ if one inserts commas into the clues. So, 8a “….set out, to damage legislature”. And 14a “Italian writer admitted, time was not kind”. I think those work for me.
Great stuff, thanks both.
Thanks for the blog scchua.
As you say there seemed to be a number of clues where the wordplay seemed hard to follow. Impossible for me to follow. Having never heard of the film it’s not surprising that the theme was of absolutely no help. Little fun and a DNF.
Muffin @8. If you put Armstrong in capital letters, you get ARMSTRONG, which is, I think, NAMECAPS. If you reverse NAMECAPS, you get SPACEMAN, i.e. Armstrong.
Tough one! But I thought all fair. I’m afraid I don’t see the supposed jumbled wordplay – I thought it was a matter of reading the clues differently.
Thanks Crispy. I saw people praising it on the G site, but I’m not impressed. Why should it be NAMECAPS? Not a usage I’ve ever seen.
Classic sour grapes, Ed @6. The fact that you could not do it does not make it unpleasant. Regrettably, a not uncommon reaction on these forums.
@12
I agree. The only arguable one, I think, is 2d, where perhaps the excluded element “waiving” (its right to a place?) is a bit poetic. Otherwise, it just seems to be a question of inventive, clever wordplay that won’t work if you misread it.
YET ANOTHER MASTERFUL DISPLAY OF TECHNICAL WANKERY. SUITABLE FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF PAUL ET AL.
@14,VERY UNFAIR COMMENT.EVEN THE BLOGGER FOUND IT TOUGH.
Thanks Enigmatist and scchua, blogging this one was above and beyond the call. The theme wouldn’t have helped me as it is a NHO. Can someone please explain why ST = Quietly. I have it in my notes but forgot to add the reason why. Thanks.
Had to reveal the crossing KAYE and TRUE, and also ISODONT. And I still don’t understand the parsing of PESTLE – how does ST give quietly?
Many thanks to sschua and also to Enigmatist.
Edit: crossed with dod @18
dod @18, TanTrumPet @19. I’ve looked it up in Chambers (sorry – somebody had to), and it gives st or ‘st – hush. Can’t say I’m a fan.
Didn’t say it earlier, but big thanks to scchua on this one. Also, well done to anybody who figured out the Danny Kaye thing. May have heard it years ago on Ed Stewart’s Junior Choice, but wouldn’t have recalled it in a million years.
NAMELESS @16 and 17
Quite apart from the tone of your comments, why are you shouting? Is your Caps Lock stuck on?
Got about halfway through this with a lot of help from Word Wizard and the check button. Which is something, given that I’ve found this week overall to be one of the most difficult in recent memory. Today’s DNF is better than my DNS on Tuesday.
@21 WASN’T TALKING TO YOU! BYE👋👋
Enigmatist is usually too much for my brain at any time of day, but Paul and Vlad used to bamboozle me several years ago and persistence has paid off.
So instead of ignoring this puzzle, as we usually would, Princess and I proceeded via a series of Reveals, use of the check button, and the handful of solves that we could work out for ourselves. Perhaps in a few more years, older and maybe wiser, we will make better progress. But it’s good to be challenged, so thank you Enigmatist. And scchua, I can only stand back in awe at your ability to make sense of this and explain it
Wow! Finally got there, after a couple of hours. Worth the smug feeling of completion – when you see the name Enigmatist, you know you’re in for a challenge! I thoroughly enjoyed it, though. Unlike some here, I’m always impressed with the craft and verbal dexterity these compilers display for our entertainment – whether I can complete or not! Thanks Enigmatist and Scchua!!
Well, I thought this crossword should have been a quiptic …
Only kidding! After an hour of head-scratching, I gave up. I’d solved only nine clues, and even though the grid now contained FLAGON, DRAGON, CHALICE and PELLET, I still hadn’t spotted the theme.
So, my hearty congratulations to scchua for a marvellous blog.
And to Enigmatist for reminding me – however tortuously! – of the wonderful Danny Kaye.
And many thanks to Hornbeam@7 for the link.
I found this very difficult but I persisted and solved more than half with some help from the check button and Crossword Solver. Quite pleased with that.
Enigmatist, in all his guises, is generally above my pay grade and this was no exception. First pass through gave me two solutions – one of which was the relatively unhelpful BOTH! Taking breaks for Phi and Solomon, I persevered until I had about two thirds done – some unparsed – before it was time for the reveal button. I did note some rhyming couples but was unaware of the Danny Kaye thing. I’m definitely ‘Tim, nice but dim’ today – even with the various explanations given, I don’t get SPACEMAN. I don’t see how putting Armstrong in capital letters leads you to the word ‘namecaps’. That said, I did manage to make sense of some of the ‘jumbled wordplay’; as Aoxomoxa, Arklark and Herb observe, it’s about putting commas into the clues and reading them the right way. Sometimes easier to clue than parse.
muffin@8: Chambers gives one definition of ‘chamber’ as ‘chamberpot’ so I think PO can work with either of them.
Thanks, I think, to Enigmatist and to scchua who deserves congratulations for a Herculean effort. I wonder whether it felt more like slaying the Hydra or clearing the Augean stables … 😉
Some crosswords are hard and some are easy. It would be quite unfulfilling to have every one in the Goldilocks zone. I was beaten by 2 and 10, but Aurighetta managed them for me.
My thanks to Enigmatist and scchua.
Admins: Please remove NAMELESS, whose comments meet no-one’s idea of civilized discourse.
Personally,I always appreciate sincere comments about how difficult a cryptic is rather than sugar-coating or riding the tailcoat of sycophants.
If anyone of you is so good as you claim,how you come none of you has ever won the UK cryptic crossword championships?
I find it interesting that many frequent commenters have decided not to comment. Silence is golden.
On scanning all the clues I succeeded in solving precisely two, and after revealing answers, in most cases still didn’t understand them. But I mustn’t be ungrateful — Enigmatist made me feel young again! This is how I felt decades ago when I could make no sense at all of the world of cryptic crosswords.
It occurs to me that PESTLE could be P=Quietly and Estle = Great player (apparently he is an electronic musician).
Also, “jumbled wordplay” seems an apt description of Danny Kaye’s forte in this scene.
I saw Enigmatist’s name and groaned.
I read through the clues and solved one.
I persevered and actually managed to finish (albeit with a couple unparsed and a couple needing to be checked). Think this is the first time ever for Enigmatist!
Was thus expecting to come here and find a lot of “easy for this setter” type comments, so now feeling very smug at my “success”!
Puzzled by the “CO” reference in DIOCESES. The clue gives no indication of reversing it to “OC”. The “circling” is already used to indicate “containing”.
Hi Ian @ 35. It isn’t a reversal, the blog should read OC (Officer Commanding).
1. First pass, solve 24a BOTH
2. Second pass, solve 19d EN GARDE
3. Report failure to fifteensquared community
4. Admire how clever the puzzle is, and kick myself for the clues I should have solved
5. Get on with life
Thanks Balfour@1 for pointing out the theme. The referenced movie sequence is absolutely hilarious, a true classic!
@16,@29-i believe “technical wankery ” is not vulgar.It refers to technically brilliant musicians who simply cannot connect with their fan base because their music is too complex for the listeners!!
That was tough. But for the first time ever I got the link early on.
And that made the puzzle solvable. My LOI was a -A-E which is no help but thankfully the girl’s name had to be Kaye not Faye, Gaye or Raye.
If I had never heard of that scene from the Court Jester I would still be stuck on about five answers.
In some ways it was like the 11+. It looked like a test of brainpower but was mainly reliant on cultural background.
@35 Agreed. I took the officer to be Officer Commanding, or OC. This fits with your reading of the rest of the wordplay.
Loved the puzzle. I wink at various Enigmatistic compromises generally (call me prejudiced). That said, SPACEMAN looked a bit of a stretch to me.
Thanks Enigmatist for the great puzzle.
Thanks scchua for the superb blog. Very neat and detailed. Not an easy task.
DIOCESES: It seems OC is an ‘Officer Commanding’ in the RAF. (Looks like I’m slow to comment!)
DNF because of KAYE, I tried RAYE. A handful of others unparsed. Too young to know the theme.
GUERILLA: Chambers has it as an alternative spelling for guerrilla but searching gives no real world examples. I put it in then erased it, then in again with the crossers.
On the whole I liked the wordplay.
I don’t attempt Enigmatist puzzles, but i have no issue with the crosswords.
The Guardian needs to cater for solvers of all levels.
I wondered if 10a “right” = “k” was in the sense of right, OK, K?
I struggled a lot with this one so spent a lot of time today wondering!
Some very new ones with ST being quiet, NAMECAPS, and the clue jumbling was humbling!
Afternoon all,
Finished this – a few I had to use my ‘hit it with a hammer’ approach of going through the alphabet to get a few extra letters – but this is an Enigmatist, and the first grid of theirs I’ve ever competed. Thanks for all the help upstairs, which explained quite a few of the parsings I hadn’t fully seen, and reassured me that nearly everyone found this tough
I don’t want this to sound like sour grapes because I couldn’t parse a few, and of course missed the theme. I do like the occasional extra-hard puzzles, but would prefer thet were in the prize slot, so we have a whole week to work on them, and can still participate in the comments live.
I had a different formulation in my mind of what was going on than what scchua@blog said, but maybe they amount to the same thing. Some setters, Paul comes to mind, are notable for loose synonyms – what we have here is loose wordplay. Extra unused words, operators in weird places, etc. It seems to fly in the face of Afrit’s injunction: “I may not mean what I say, but I must say what I mean”.
This took me an unusually long time, and I put in ‘pestle’ without ever knowing why, but everything else was ok. I thought the Armstrong clue was one of the very best we’ve had for a long time. Didn’t spot the emerging theme until I had nearly all of them. The chalice from the palace has the pellet with the poison, the vessel with the pestle is the brew that is true etc – made me smile a lot. Thank you Enigmatist!
When DRAGON and FLAGON were my first entries, a lightbulb went on and I looked for CHALICE, PALACE, PELLET, POISON, VESSEL, PESTLE, BREW and TRUE – all spottable from definition once you suspected they were there. Parsing them was a different matter: PALACE, PELLET, POISON, VESSEL and PESTLE remained unparsed. JESTER, THE COURT and KAYE came later. I wonder if Enigmatist deliberately made the themed entries harder: I certainly had more trouble with them than the rest. Chapeau to Enigmatist for getting all of them in, and to anyone who solved it without help from the theme.
I did enjoy SPACEMAN, I SO DONT and the lovely neat surface of BLUE HAWAII.
Buoyed on by finishing Enigmatist’s last prize I was quickly brought down to earth. Finished the bottom half and had ASTEROIDAL shooting up aptly but just ground to a halt.
I’m usually happy with half from this setter so will take it as a win.
Thanks bloggers for pointing out the ones I should have got and where it was beyond me. And thanks to Enigmatist.
Liked ASTEROIDAL
Very very hard. But one expects that from JH . Needed a fantastic blog to understand some of the parsing. Totally missed the theme. Saw the film as a kid many years ago. Danny Kaye was a superstar then.
Thanks, Crispy@20
I don’t see how you jump from ARMSTRONG to NAMECAPS, it’s a logic-leap too far
I’m not usually that bothered about extra words, but secretary=PA at the start of PALACE is so well-known that the “paid to assist” bit is really unnecessary.
I did about half of this before I started revealing. I do wish the Guardian site had the option to reveal single letters rather than whole words. (Sometimes when you’re stuck, what you’re looking for is a little nudge, not a full-on shove.) The other two free dailies do this, so it can’t be a technical issue. Does the Guardian’s app have that functionality? If so, maybe I should switch to that.
I think I’ve seen the movie, once, many long years ago, but don’t remember any details at all, so the theme was not there to help.
I agree with the sentiment that having hard puzzles are good, since advanced solvers also need something chewy. I imagine our former commenter Roz would have been praising this one, for example. But it was too chewy for me.