A complex and multi-layered EV this week, which I think I solved, and definitely submitted, but can’t fully explain…
The preamble states that:
“The puzzle’s theme is a six-word phrase. A word that could follow HOLLYWOOD must be treated thematically at 21 before entry. Twelve clues contain two (often non-adjacent) extra words that must be removed before solving. These will help to identify the line-up of an overlarge team that must be highlighted in a contiguous block of cells which covers exactly half the grid. Each member of the team is revealed by changing one letter from the initial grid fill; appropriately, several entries become non-words, but the traditional thematic victim remains intact. Chambers Dictionary (2016) is recommended, but does not contain the answer to 2dn. ”
I was a tad confused by the fact that the original version of the puzzle posted online – which was my working copy – had the title HOILLYWOOD, although the preamble refers to HOLLYWOOD – which led to some angst-ing as to whether that extra I was important…until I printed it again the following week for my submission copy.
Some early analysis of the grid might have helped – 12 by 11, so 132 squares, of which ‘exactly half’ (66) must be highlighted, and non-symmetrical bars – which often indicates a large amount of thematic material which just couldn’t be squeezed in symmetrically.
And all this talk of Hollywood and a ‘victim’ gave me initial leanings towards a murder/thriller – may be Ocean’s Twelve?
Anyway, enough of the preamble and pre-analysis – on with the solving and see if anything comes out in the wash. Some relatively quick solves – INDEX, LOCUST-FINCH (great Spoonerism!), IDOLA and CAUF came out pretty quickly. Others less so – SCHINDYLESES, LOY, YOKUL – all gettable from wordplay but needing some confirmation.
And some clues seemed a little too long/contrived for their solutions, so possible candidates for the extra word mechanism that was happening in parallel. A suspicious tickle at the back of the head with ‘General’s gin’ – both suggesting GORDON(‘s) and ‘Elgin incorrectly’ suggesting NIGEL, became a combined mini-PDM with ‘troubled back’ suggesting AILED <–> DELIA…so these all looked like first names of TV chefs? RAMSAY, SLATER and SMITH respectively, to be precise. And SAITH and TRAMWAY looked like they could be adjusted to make SMITH and (T)RAMSAY.
Suffice to say, lots of pencil- and eraser-work followed, not helped by the fact that I was ‘off-grid’ for 4 days in Far North Queensland, Australia, at the time, with no mobile or data signal at all (except by paying through the nose for hotel/camp-site wi-fi…!) For a while I convinced myself there was a chef called ‘DE LA BERRE’ in that sixth column, before I realised that 9 letters upset the averages and meant that a couple of 3-letter ones would be necessary to balance the ‘exactly half’ books..
So I sort of got there in the end – the phrase was ‘Too Many Cooks Spoil the Broth’; the ‘team’ were twelve TV chefs’ surnames (overlarge, as a team is often 11 participants), with their forenames given cryptically by those extra words…and the word following (Paul) HOLLYWOOD was HEART-THROBS, resolving to THE BROTH within R-AS, with THE BROTH being unchanged by all the chef name entries:
I think I have now explained 11 of the 12 sets of extra words/chefs (see comments below from ‘ub’ and ‘Cap’n P’ng’n’) – just not sure how ‘Jamie (Oliver) links to Walker – any assistance below gratefully received :
| Clue | Words | Derivation | Chef |
| 1A | Quite contrary | ‘Mary, Mary quite contrary’ – children’s poem | Mary BERRY |
| 9A | Queeney’s husband | The Eye’s nickname for Prince Philip is ‘Keith’ | Keith FLOYD |
| 17A | Mile Newmarket? | Newmarket racecourse has a Rowley Mile | Rowley LEIGH |
| 31A | Pure reorganisation | Pure -> Prue | Prue LEITH |
| 33A | General’s gin | General Gordon; Gordon’s gin | Gordon RAMSAY |
| 1D | Troubled back | Ailed <–> Delia | Delia SMITH |
| 3D | Partially fishy | Gar(r) + y | Gary RHODES |
| 7D | Ragged lady | Plant – Nigella | Nigella LAWSOIN |
| 8D | Stack shelves | Double defn – Rick | Rick STEIN |
| 10D | Murray Walker | Jamie Murray? ?Jamie Walker? | Jamie OLIVER? |
| 12D | Gaunt punter | Double defn; John | John TORODE |
| 20D | Elgin incorrectly | Elgin -> Nigel | Nigel SLATER |
Many thanks to Artix for a full two-week challenge – hard to say which took longer – the solve or the blog!
(NB. This blog was started at Sydney airport, continued at Hong Kong airport and at 30,000 feet over large swathes of Eastern Europe, then polished off, jet-lagged and heavy-lidded, back in the comfort of my own study…hopefully nothing below has fallen off the luggage carousel…)
| Across | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Clue No | Extra Words / Name | Solution / Entry | Clue (definition underlined, extra words in bold) / Logic/Parsing |
| 1 | QUITE CONTRARY – MARY (BERRY) | ISLED | One’s quite light, set contrary in the main (5) / IS (one’s) + LED (light-emitting diode) |
| 4 | INCISOR | Fang is buried within hip – blimey! (7) / IN (hip, trendy) + C_OR (blimey) around (burying) IS |
|
| 9 | QUEENEY’S HUSBAND – KEITH (FLOYD) | LOSE / LOSO | Miss snubbed Queeney’s good-for-nothing husband (4) / LOSE(L) – good-for-nothng, wastrel, snubbed by last letter |
| 11 | WALLAH | One working with God … (6) / W (with) + ALLAH (god, Islam) |
|
| 13 | DECALOGUE / DACMLOGUE | … initially dictated poem about a set of His instructions (9) / D (initial letter of Dictated) + EC_LOGUE (poem) around A |
|
| 15 | ETUI | Case running in perpetuity (4) / hidden word, i.e. running in, in ‘perpETUIty’ |
|
| 16 | ILL-FAUR’D / ILL-FAIR’D | Dull fair aggravated unseemly Scots (8) / anag, i.e. aggravated, of DULL FAIR |
|
| 17 | MILE NEWMARKET – ROWLEY (LEIGH) | ATLATL | Stick doubly close to Frankel after mile at Newmarket (6) / AT + L (closing letter of ‘frankeL’), twice, or doubly |
| 21 | R-THE BROTH-AS | See preamble (11) / Thematic deduction – Hollyvood HEART-THROBS |
|
| 24 | ENFIRE / ENEIRE | Kindle dramatist used, writing Norman French in country (6) / E_IRE (country) around NF (Norman French) |
|
| 26 | YOKUL / YOKWL | Yell ‘Yes’, playing lucky over that knocks out clubs (5) / anag, i.e. playing, of LU( |
|
| 29 | MORASS / MDRASS | Does bog plant mostly surround this boundless marsh ground? (6) / MO_S( |
|
| 31 | PURE REORGANISATION – PRUE (LEITH) | GENA | Pure cheek from big US company, backing a new reorganisation (4) / GE (General Electric, big US company) + NA (A + N – new – backing) |
| 32 | DR WHO / DR SHO | Nation made him into TV hero: how? (5, two words) / If you DR (doctor, jumble up) WHO you might get HOW; and Dr Who was created by Terry Nation. |
|
| 33 | GENERAL’S GIN – GORDON (RAMSAY) | HACK | General’s gin? Cough up, old chap! (4) / double defn. to HACK can mean to cough; and a HACK can be archaic for a chap on the skin |
| 34 | HEAT SINK / HYAT DINK | Cooler soil removed from Thessaloniki after eruption? (8, two words) / anag, i.e. eruption, of THE( |
|
| 35 | SCHINDYLESES | Short man with list regularly seeks to control variable joints (12) / SCHIND_LE( |
|
| Down | |||
| Clue No | Solution / Entry | Clue (definition underlined, extra words in bold) / Logic/Parsing |
|
| 1 | TROUBLED BACK – DELIA (SMITH) | INDEX | Troubled, directing point back behind extra covers (5) / hidden word in, i.e. covered by, ‘behIND Extra’ |
| 2 | LOCUST FINCH / LOCU-STEIN-CH | Spooner’s kept Twin Peaks director on track: he’s flying! (11) / LOCUST FINCH = Spoonerism of FOCUSSED (kept on track) + LYNCH (David Lynch, director of Twin Peak’ |
|
| 3 | PARTIALLY FISHY – GAR-Y (RHODES) | DELIVERED / D-OLIVER-ED | Set free partially gutted ‘fishy’ perhaps? (9) / if one had a liver removed, one might be DE-LIVERED, or gutted? |
| 4 | IDOLA | E.g. Billy’s American mind set that’s screwy (5) / IDOL (e.g. Billy Idol, 80s/90s pop star) + A (American) |
|
| 5 | CAUF | Cage Aberdonians use fishing, primarily (4) / primary letters of Cage Aberdonians Use Fishing |
|
| 6 | ILEA | Body parts from birds’ heads after decapitation (4) / ( |
|
| 7 | RAGGED LADY – NIGELLA (LAWSON) | SLEUTH / S-LEITH | Ragged old dog upset lady in hustle (6) / anag, i.e. upset in, of HUSTLE |
| 8 | STACK SHELVES – RICK (STEIN) | OAK | A stack in middle of fine wood shelves (3) / O_K (fine) around A |
| 10 | MURRAY WALKER – JAMIE? (OLIVER) | SAITH / SMITH | Veteran Murray Walker talks about this game (5) / anag, i.e. game, of A (about) + THIS |
| 12 | GAUNT PUNTER – JOHN (TORODE) | HIDES / HODES | Gaunt punter wraps up hard day (5) / H (hard) + IDES (15th, or 13th, day, in Roman calendar) |
| 14 | ETERNE / ATER-NE | Peter Nero’s no pro, as has been repeated often (6) / subtractive ‘hidden’ word – ( |
|
| 18 | TRAMWAY / T-RAMSAY | Board entertains most of Kiss track (7) / TRA_Y (board) around MWA( |
|
| 19 | LOY | Spade trick? Penny’s dropped (3) / ( |
|
| 20 | ELGIN INCORRECTLY – NIGEL (SLATER) | WEIGHS / LEIGH-S | Elgin assesses dictator’s means incorrectly (6) / homophone, i.e. dictator’s – WEIGHS (assesses) sounds like WAYS (means) |
| 22 | TOROSE / TORODE | Bulging and Ripped gets rating internally (6) / TOR_E (ripped) around OS (Ordinary Seaman, or rating) |
|
| 23 | AUSONE / AWSON-E | O3 picked up in top-notch St.-Émilion (6) / homophone, i.e. picked up – AUSONE (St Emilion wine) sounds like OZONE (O3) |
|
| 25 | ERRED / ERRY-D | Passed on, abandoning man in black, and didn’t do well (5) / ( |
|
| 27 | KAZIS | Cans last character written over line in carpets (5) / KA( |
|
| 28 | RAKI | Ingested by spy, this drink could lead to suicide (4) / If Mata HARI (spy) ingested RAKI (drink, spirit) the result could be HARA-KIRI (Japanese ritual suicide) |
|
| 30 | SAKS | NY store reducing beds by $100 (4) / SA( |
|

I think typical team is 11, so overlarge told me 12 and so I also went down path of Ocean’s 12, Dirty Dozen, etc., before I saw “the Broth.”
Newmarket has a Rowley Mile racecourse.
Queeny’s husband is Hester Maria (Queeny) Elphinstone, Viscountess Keith (I had help with that from another solver).
Dr. Who clue apparently has no extra words intended, so I think that’s 12 chefs without it.
Hope that helps. Thanks for blog and to Artix for entertaining puzzle.
The team is overlarge because there are too many chefs.
Keith was a Private Eye nickname for the Duke of Edinburgh (the Queen herself was Brenda, Prince Charles was Brian).
“Nation made” refers to Terry Nation, the originator of Dr Who.
I couldn’t explain why Walker pointed to Jamie.
I really struggled with this one. Thanks to Artix for the workout.
Thanks to ub and the Cap’n for explanations…have made a few updates.
– I had wondered about PEye nicknames – I am familiar with ‘Brenda’ and ‘Brian’, but not Keith…
– none the wiser on ‘Jamie/Walker’ – perhaps mistaken for Johnnie Walker?
I took Murray Walker in 10dn to indicate the answer was Scottish and took set that’s in 4dn as extra words, with set = jam, that is = ie, so Jamie. Not completely convinced though.
Thanks for explanation on Rowley and above which I couldn’t work out. I went for the Queeney as Viscountess Keith idea, for what it’s worth
I maybe got 10 D, Jamie, quickly because I’m Scottish – as are Jamie Murray, the tennis player, and Jamie Walker, the footballer. I enjoyed this puzzle, though there was a slight randomness to the chefs – Rhodes and Leigh.
I have looked up Viscountess Keith and I think that is a better explanation than the Eye nickname.
At 3D, I thought that the wordplay (DD) was “partially gutted” and the extra words were “‘fishy’ perhaps”. But there’s not much in that and it all leads to the same place.