Thank you to Pasquale. Definitions are underlined in the clues.
Across
1. Sign made by soldier at Agincourt? (6)
ARCHER : Double defn: 1st: The zodiacal …, Sagittarius the Archer; and 2nd: One of the soldiers with longbows predominant in the victorious English side at the Battle of Agincourt.
5. Delay supplying tree — new date needed for planting (4,4)
LEAD TIME : LIME(the evergreen tree producing the citrus fruit, the lime) containing(… needed for planting) anagram of(new) DATE.
Defn: …/the time delay between order and delivery/supply, of a product, say.
9. Showing off is fair (8)
SPORTING : Double defn: 1st: …/wearing ostentatiously; and 2nd: … and generous in one’s treatment of others, especially towards one’s opponents.
10. Saw a knight after travail (6)
SLOGAN : [A + N(abbrev. for “knight” in chess notation) ] placed after(after) SLOG(travail/painful or laborious effort).
Defn: …/a motto.
11. Refuse stuff tossed back (4)
MARC : Reversal of(… tossed back) CRAM(to stuff/to completely fill, say, a container to overflowing).
Defn: … of grapes or other fruit that have been pressed for winemaking.
From: 
to this: 
12. Not the first mistake made by fielder? (6,4)
SECOND SLIP : Double defn: 1st: What you might call error/mistake number 2; and 2nd: A … in the cricket side that is fielding.
13. Member of group to project sounds (6)
BEATLE : Homophone of(… sounds) “beetle”(to project/overhang, as in “beetle-browed”).
Defn: …, aka the Fab Four.
14. Left always needs time to gain influence (8)
LEVERAGE : L(abbrev. for “left”) + EVER(always/at all times) plus(needs) AGE(a long period of time).
16. Story that could be seen as a clue to Times? (4,4)
NEWS ITEM : Reverse clue. The answer to the clue: Anagram of(NEW) SITEM is “Times“.
19. Head of fish, with first bit cut off (6)
NAPPER : “snapper”(a seawater food fish) minus its 1st letter(with first bit cut off).
Defn: Slang for one’s ….
21. Entertainment as pretties become naughty … (10)
STRIPTEASE : Anagram of(… become naughty) AS PRETTIES.
Defn: Pretties (as a noun) doing naughty stuff.
An &lit.
23. … inducing this in fluster? (4)
LUST : Hidden in(in) “fluster“.
Defn: Entertainment in 21 across(…) might induce this.
24. Book that’s turned up on radio (6)
VOLUME : Double defn: 2nd: That which can be controlled up (or down) on a radio.
25. Study about indifferent male farmers (8)
DAIRYMEN : DEN(a study/a room where when can be private) containing(about) [ AIRY(indifferent/treating something casually) + M(abbrev. for “male”) ].
26. What makes hedges ultimately neater? (8)
STRIMMER : Last letter of(… ultimately) “hedges” + TRIMMER(neater/more orderly).
Another &lit.
27. Green maybe inclined to talk too much about beginning of revolution (6)
GRASSY : GASSY(inclined to talk too much about trivial matters) containing(about) 1st letter of(beginning of) “revolution“.
Down
2. Percent lost came to be worked out in insurer’s estimate (11,4)
REPLACEMENT COST : Anagram of(… to be worked) PERCENT LOST CAME.
Defn: … of the amount that can be awarded under an insurance claim.
3. Hard cheese? No thanks, when eating a vegetable! (7)
HARICOT : H(abbrev. for “hard”, as with lead pencils) + “ricotta”(a soft Italian cheese) minus(No) “ta!”(thanks/thank you) containing(when eating) A.
4. Antwerp is unfortunately suffering from stormy weather (9)
RAIN SWEPT : Anagram of(… unfortunately) ANTWERP IS.
5. Sound of soldier in pub (7)
LOGICAL : GI(initials describing an American soldier) contained in(in) LOCAL(a pub/watering hole near one’s office or home that one frequents).
Defn: … in reasoning.
6. Crime of minister initially denied (5)
ARSON : “parson”(a minister in the clergy) minus its 1st letter(initially denied).
7. Novice? One missing out with exploitative type in pocket (7)
TROUSER : “tiro”(or “tyro”/a novice or beginner) minus(… missing out) “I”(Roman numeral for “one”) plus(with) USER(an exploitative type/one taking advantage of others).
Defn: Slang for …/to take or receive dishonestly.
8. Sense single man’s suffering from futility (15)
MEANINGLESSNESS : Anagram of(… suffering) SENSE SINGLE MAN’S.
15. Putting a coat on, eg never shivering outside home (9)
VENEERING : Anagram of(… shivering) EG NEVER containing(outside) IN(home, as in “I’ll be home tonight”).
Defn: …, that is, a coat of paint or varnish, say, on a surface.
17. Must I lie around without energy? Drugs could be the answer (7)
STIMULI : Anagram of(… around) “Must I lie” minus(without) “e”(symbol for “energy” in physics).
Defn: How you could describe drugs such as uppers, that give you energy to be up and about.
Another &lit.
18. Person with needle and cotton maybe securing a thread? (7)
MEANDER : MENDER(one with needle and cotton could/maybe be mending something torn) containing(securing) A.
Defn: To wind/weave your way, such as when threading your way through a series of obstacles.
20. Old city flourishing with distinguished artist (7)
PALMYRA : PALMY(flourishing/prosperous) plus(with) RA(post-nominals for a member of the Royal Academy of Arts, a distinguished/honoured artist).
Defn: An ancient city in present-day Syria.
22. Article placed on top of room unit (5)
THERM : THE(an article in English grammar) placed above(placed on top of, in a down clue) RM(abbrev. for “room”).
Defn: … of heat.
I didn’t quite finish this; the NW corner was my Waterloo. I wasn’t familiar with soldiers at Agincourt, and I wasn’t prepared for 3d to be French (although my dictionary says it’s used in Britain). I didn’t get MARC either, but vaguely remember it having seen the solution.
I managed the rest, but only having frequently referred to a dictionary, which kept telling me things were “British English”, such as this meaning of “beetle”, “napper” for head”, and “tyro” spelt “tiro”. The portmanteau “strimmer” was new to me (we rather clumsily call them “whipper-snippers”, which I think we have the Americans to thank for).
There were plenty of smiles, and only one groan (“gassy”). Interesting to see the same word appear in both this and the FT crosswords today, with two totally different clues. Doesn’t often happen.
Having just looked at your picture, scchua, perhaps a strimmer isn’t what I thought … a string trimmer (where a nylon string rotates to cut edges of lawns)?
And no, it appears that we can’t blame the Americans for “whipper-snipper”. I take it all back!
I made a slow start with only a few in on the first pass, but eventually teased everything out, with my last in PALMYRA entered unconfidently as I didn’t know PALMY for ‘flourishing’.
I liked the &lits, though couldn’t quite get my head around STIMULI, as well as the NEWS ITEM reverse anagram.
GDU @1, 2 & 3: If you want to know everything there is to know about STRIMMER(s), here’s a link to the BBC Gardeners’ World website, where all is explained. New to this non-gardener too.
Thanks to Pasquale and scchua
I also needed help to finish with a few.
I was aware of the word STRIMMER although as GDU says they’re called whipper-snippers or line trimmers here in Aus which goes against the usual habit of shortening every word. I’m surprised they’re not called trimbos here.
I liked the ellipses and juxtaposition of STRIPTEASE and LUST but the favourite was the clever NEWS ITEM.
The picture isn’t a strimmer. It’s a hedge trimmer. A strimmer is, as already mentioned, a tool with a nylon string that whizzes round and cuts long grass. And I’m in the UK.
I noted on the Guardian site that with 21 across, some people could claim that tapestries are entertaining. Someone almost immediately reported it for not abiding by the community standards. They’re an odd bunch of curmudgeons over there.
Ta, Crispy@6, I was confused! Great pics as per scchua … I’m sure the marc one looks is a stereogram 🙂 .
[I always think archer for Agincourt because my mate Jean-Pierre is still aggrieved … French cavalry bogged down, salvo after salvo of longbow arrows … si injuste!]
Nice puzzle. 2d took ages … lazy about long anags and thinking something more finance jargon than “replacement”. And “napper” was a shrug, tho no doubt not new. All fun, ta P & s.
I feel we’re being given an easy week? (Is this yet another casualty of the official mourning period?) There were lots of fairly obvious anagrams and other straightforward clues which opened up the grid and made for a fast finish. The NW was the last hold -out as I struggled with the bean/cheese combo, took ages to see the Fab Four reference and had never heard of Marc.
Thanks to the Don and scchua.
I agree with Crispy @6. I have a strimmer to cut long grass and a hedge-trimmer to cut hedges. The clue works just about as you strim round the bottom of hedges. I thought this was a pretty good crossword, with progress possible with careful thought. Wasn’t aware of ‘palmy’ as meaning ‘prosperous’, but it’s in Chambers, and the answer jumped out with the crossers. Andy @7 I didn’t see your comment on the Guardian page, but you were indicating that it was an anagram, I think, hence the objection. And the combination with 23 ruled out your anagram, though I suppose you could lust after a tapestry. Anyway, thanks to scchua and Pasquale.
Unlike earlier posters (GDU et aI) I thought there was a pleasant absence of the selcouth, making for a pleasant – and smooth – solve. Those of us who are “up overs” clearly had an easier time of this!
Many thanks Pasquale and scchua
The anagrams helped solve this. I didn’t know NAPPER for head, but it had to be that from crossers, or MARC as meaning refuse.
Andy @7 I suspect the complaint about tapestries was because it’s assisting solvers, so against community rules. No hints allowed, in theory
I’m another Brit, and I’d say a strimmer is the tool with a rotating nylon string, and I buy haricot beans as dried white beans, or in tins, eat them a fair bit. We tend to call them green beans if we eat them in pods.
You’re welcome, GIF@8. Thaks to GDU I now know why it’s called a strimmer. Obvious when you think about it.
Good luck if anyone’s trying to use a strimmer on a hedge! Could have done with an “or grass” in the clue for accuracy.
What William@11 said, and part of a winning trio today that includes Leonidas (FT) and Rodriguez (Indy) today.
Thanks to Pasquale and Scchua.
Thanks Pasquale and scchua
I didn’t know NAPPER as “head”, so that one was a bit of a puzzle. I agree about garden strimmers, whatever the BBC might say. “Flourishing” for PALMY was a bit left field.
I liked NEWS ITEM. I’m also very fond of MARC the drink, though it’s easier to get hold of the Italian version, grappa, in England
Very straightforward for midweek,, particularly since I knew MARC and PALMYRA. Gives me more time to lust after my tapestries.
I’ve followed WordPlodder’s link now, and see that the BBC agrees that strimmers aren’t much use on hedges!
Surprisingly straightfoward for a Friday! Certainly much easier than Tues-Thurs.
Favourites: STRIPTEASE and the two long anagrams.
DNK MARC or NAPPER, but easy enough to work out with a few crossers in.
Surely 26A should have been “What makes lawns unlitmately neater”?
Thanks to Pasquale and scchua
I have to hand it Geoff downunder for getting Waterloo and Agincourt in the same post!
I meant Thursday and Tues-Wed, obviously… :\
And ‘ultimately’. Good grief.
Didn’t know MARC or NAPPER, nor PALMY (although I knew the city, so it had to be that). Spent rather a long time forgetting ricotta existed and trying to make FE-ta fit in somehow…
Thanks Pasquale and scchua.
From today’s Times xwd ‘Minister denied parking offence (5) Close but no cigar but it does twitch a few neurons . .
What a mixed bag I found this was. Large ticks for NEWS ITEM, VOLUME, and LOGICAL, but really struggled to properly parse NAPPER, TROUSER, PALMYRA and MEANDER. All of which I did have pencilled in. Last one in, a guess, LEAD TIME, not an expression I knew of. So many thanks to Scchua this morning for providing clarity of thought….
Scchua, I think Pasquale was probably thinking of the deciduous linden at 5ac, which in Britain and Ireland is known as the lime tree (confusingly, as it has nothing to do with the lime fruit). Lime ‘avenues’ were often planted in the grounds of 17th/18th century country houses, and the practice continues. Unter den Linden in Berlin is perhaps the most famous lime-lined avenue.
I think the surface of 1ac may be tempting us to think of a different kind of sign. Many thanks P & s.
Surprised everyone is upset by 26 . The use of ‘hedges’ is a misdirection, all you need is the s and trimmer. Of course you do not use a strimmer on hedges. BTW in the US they call it a weed-whacker….I quite like that .
Chardonneret @29
In that case, where’s the definition?
eb@26: Yes, that’s the sign I kept trying to shoehorn in instead of ARCHER.
Loved the clever NEWS ITEM.
I echo the comment of my namesake @11 – lovely straightforward crossword with no gimmicks.
Many thanks, both.
I concur with the Williamses in approving of the sharp and tidy setting here. Really enjoyable. NAPPER is new to me, but the clue was straight. The surfaces were very neat, I thought: if you just read through the set of clues, they are almost all quite fluent — except maybe 7d.
… I mean “with the Williams…”. Duh!
Quite entertaining with less obscurities than usual from Pasquale.
My LOI was BEATLE, where I was unfamiliar with that use of beetle. I liked the ‘turned up on radio’, which misled me into searching for homophones. I liked LEAD TIME with the creative use of planting, and MEANDER for the unlikely definition. Despite the valiant attempts at justification above, I think the definition for STRIMMER is an error. Both dictionaries and web browsers give it as an instrument for trimming lawns. Maybe Pasquale himself might provide some justification.
Thanks Pasquale and scchua.
Same experience as GDU @1, NW did for my NAPPER (which I did know) as well. MEANINGLESSNESS is a horrible tongue twister. Like William @29, I really liked NEWS ITEM.
Ta Pasquale & scchua.
muffin @28…. maybe the crossword editor removed a word from the clue and it should ‘ave read… “What makes cockney hedges ultimately neater?”
Tim C @34
I like it!
Re “strimmer”, I’ve removed my pic, which was that of a hedge trimmer, having been misdirected by the clue’s reference to “hedges”.
I still don’t get the parsing of NEWS ITEM. I get the anagram of Times, where does the NEW come from pleas, and how do we know it’s an anagram?
Sorry to be stupid, I got it from the crossers. Same with many clues that others have blogged about.
Thanks Pasquale and scchua
The NEW is an anagrind for the anagrist “SITEM” to give Times. It’s a “reverse clue” or a “reverse anagram” SinCam @37
I found that somewhat tougher than the rest of the week so far, and while I did eventually finish it did require a thesaurus and the Check button to drive it home.
NAPPER and that definition of PALMY were new to me, though gettable with the rest of the wording plus crossers.
Nice to have a tougher time after a few relatively accessible days though. Gets the brain cells working.
Cheers both
Very enjoyable puzzle even though I failed to solve 13ac – thanks for explaining how to parse ‘to project sounds’.
Liked SECOND SLIP, NEWS ITEM, MEANDER, DAIRYMEN, LOGICAL, HARICOT.
New for me: STRIMMER; PALMY = flourishing; NAPPER = head.
Thanks, both.
Robi @32, re BEATLE/beetle. Horatio warns Hamlet of the prospective dangers of following his father’s ghost:
What if it tempt you toward the flood, my lord,
Or to the dreadful summit of the cliff
That beetles o’er his base into the sea,
And there assume some other horrible form,
Which might deprive your sovereignty of reason
And draw you into madness?
Had some unparsed as didn’t know MARC NAPPER (is that a southern thing?) SLOGAN as a “saw” (or vice versa). BEATLE was guessed though heard of the B brow I had not known what it meant.
The STRIMMER didn’t work for me as all the ones I’ve used were on grass etc never a hedge but could see the intention. Why didn’t the clue say grass instead of hedge?
Thanks both
…. oh and PALMY
I’m with JerryG @9 re the relatively easy week.
HARICOT and RAINSWEPT were fun.
Thanks Pasquale and scchua
Provided you were agile and strong enough nothing wrong with using a strimmer to tidy up a hedge. Before such things became beyond me used to do this regularly, so long as nobody else was near!
“You look dapper from your napper to your feet” – Any Old Iron
I’m glad lots have objected to using strimmers on hedges. “What makes grass ultimately neater? (8)” would be better.
Re KentfromPen @ 46. Any old iron not sung widely I think… is NAPPER a London ish thing?
I was held up by putting in sprout for 27ac, a better answer than the actual one in my view.
Re 21a
Strimmer is an old trademark, being a make of a string trimmer held by Black & Decker in UK.
Maybe the clue should read ‘What make’s hedges ultimately neater’
Thanks to Pasquale and scchua
Didn’t know NAPPER, still don’t, couldn’t find the etymology. The best I could come up with was prison slang (unknown origin), and maybe ”knap” meaning the crest of a hill.
Another one here Jim@23 for ”feta” in HARICOT, although neither feta nor ricotta are hard cheese.
Don’t think of a SLOGAN as a “saw”.
LOGICAL was favourite for the misdirection with ‘sound of soldier’ and the succinctness of the clue.
Set myself a challenge not to bung the two pillars into an anagram machine. Built them both up block by block from the bottom, although as I didn’t come to them until later, they didn’t help much.
Didn’t know ‘strimmer’ either. I like the North American ‘weed whacker’.
Further on NAPPER:
Merriam Webster:
slang, British : HEAD
had come within an ace of copping me on the napper
— P. G. Wodehouse
nearly laughed his napper off
— Emlyn Williams
gone off his napper at last
— William Sansom
Still don’t know the etymology.
Thanks scchua, I needed your help to understand 13a BEATLE, 3d HARICOT and 20d PALMYRA (as others have said, I had never encountered PALMY in that sense).
Many thanks to Pasquale for the challenge.
[Enjoyed your post paddymelon@51 which might appear just before mine (though maybe not as I have taken ages to post this while I have been reading all previous). I nodded at just about everything you said. Like you, I got the pillars from a process of painstaking building. ]
A good 45 minute romp with the Don. Thanks to scchua (how do you pronounce that?) for the entertaining illustrations. The differences between English English and the antipodean version is fascinating. Rewilding my garden has involved a strimmer rather than a mower. It would be risky to use one on a hedge.
AIRY for “indifferent” is iffy. STRIMMER is barely cryptic, since a strimmer is a trimmer. Parsing TROUSER baffled me because I haven’t seen the “tiro” spelling for “tyro.”
William FP@11 selcouth?? up overs??
Tom@49 Spout means “talk too much,” not “inclined to talk too much.” Gassy means that.
Pleasant puzzle, got almost all of it in bed last night. Thanks to Pasquale and scchua.
Well I’ve been thinking for years that for an &lit., every word of the clue has to be part of the wordplay (as well as the definition), which would disqualify STRIPTEASE and STIMULI. Apparently that’s not right, so now I don’t know what the precise definition of one is. Help! Tx.
A strimmer is a tool for trimming EDGES, so perhaps cockney HEDGES as well!
Larger strimmers come with a saw blade, so a contortionist could trim a hedge with one.
KenfromPen,
Thanks for the reference to Any Old Iron whose chorus I remember hearing as a child but am too young to remember the lyric. However, my Dad (a Brummie) used to use the word ‘napper’ and ‘donnies’ for hands. No idea where either word hails from though.
OED gives the source of NAPPER=head as – wait for it – “of obscure formation”. So if they don’t know …
Thanks Pasquale. I found this a bit easier than usual for Pasquale but still I missed STRIMMER, a new word for me; I didn’t know that a SLIP was a fielder; I couldn’t parse TROUSER in the least; and I only guessed NAPPER because I eat snapper quite often. I really enjoyed STRIPTEASE and STIMULI for their surfaces and I thought LOGICAL was the best of the bunch. Thanks scchua for the blog.
[For those begging for a harder crossword, check out Aardvark in yesterday’s FT. If you just need to experience some amplified joy, Eccles in yesterday’s Indy will fit the bill.]
Napper: There’s an old Cockney music hall song called ‘Any Old Iron’ which Peter Sellars used to sing. It contains the line, ‘You look dapper from your napper to your feet’.
I have been a curmudgeon in the past about STRIPTEASE being an entertainment, but Sheffield hatter put me right. That was a Pan puzzle.
Dr WhatsOn@56: Don Manley agrees with you in the Crossword Manual. Your examples are what he would term “semi &lit”, where a brief definition is expanded by the wordplay. Not a term that seems to be in common use though.
TimSee @64
Some of our bloggers here use “extended definition” for these “semi &lit” clues.
Ian Davis @62 mentions “Any Old Iron” being sung by Peter Sellers. Long before that, during the war, it was a staple on the wireless for a singer called Harry Champion, along with “Boiled Beef & Carrots” Saturday night Music Hall.
Ian Davis @62 mentions “Any Old Iron” being sung by Peter Sellers. Long before that, during the war, it was a staple on the wireless for a singer called Harry Champion, along with “Boiled Beef & Carrots” Saturday night Music Hall.
It says I’ve already posted this. Why?
Thanks both,
As I recall the another line of ‘Any old iron’ is ‘Dressed in style, brand new tile, with your father’s old green tie on …’. ‘Tile’ for ‘hat’ is standard crosswordese but is scarcely less obscure than ‘napper’.
Lots I enjoyed, including HARICOT, RAINSWEPT and LOGICAL (great clue!). Couldn’t parse BEATLE for the life of me; and didn’t realise tyro could be spelt tiro. Many thanks to Pasquale and scchua.
Keith Thomas@66&67 – my bumper book of music hall songs has ‘AOI’ by Chas Collins E A Sheppard and Fred Terry, copyright 1911.
As a lecturer and examiner in supply chain matters years ago the strict definition of lead time is the time when need is identified until that need is satisfied i e delivered . First time I’ve ever seen the term in a crossword .
My grandad used the word NAPPER to mean his head. He was Norfolk through and through. He also sometimes called his head his ‘sammy’. Don’t think I’ve seen that in a crossword, but you never know….
A singer called Harry Champion? That would be Harry Champion then!
Muffin@65 – thanks. It’s an elegant form of clue that deserves recognition.
Thanks Pasquale, exemplary clueing, I found this hugely satisfying – I agree with everyone else that a strimmer is not to be used on hedges, but it’s still a good clue and I’m not going to lose any sleep over that one.
Essexboy @26 – surprised no one else has commented on the “sign” at 1a, but I had exactly the same thought as you on first reading the clue. So neatly done, it slightly threw me and I was looking for something a lot more cryptic at first until the penny dropped. Also agree that Pasquale was most likely thinking of linden rather than citrus.
And thanks of course for the blog, scchua – entertaining as ever.
I ran out of steam with this with three to go.
I found the cluing somewhat obscure and have many unparsed.
About to spend 5 days looking after a 4 month old, so the crossword is likely to be on the back burner!!
Thanks both.
TimSee@64, muffin@65 thanks for that, I thought I was going crazy. We may disagree here whether words are close enough to be synonyms or homophones, and that is part of the fun, but I think it helps to get terms of the art straight.
That was a tough one, many unparsed but as always grateful for the work out! Thanks scchu and Pasquale
Agree pretty good puzzle, but also agree with stern persons that 26 involves a mistake. I suppose we should be looking for a plural of whatever a strimmer makes neater to correct it. I only strim where I can’t get the damn mower in.
Not bein’ funny but isn’t one of the theories about the origin of the V-sign is that it comes from the hand position of the English archers at Agincourt as they were steadying their arrows in the bow before loosing them?
(Just sayin’)
Jovis@79. – sadly, probably not.
Jovis @ 79
Supposedly the French used to cut the first finger off captured archers so that they couldn’t draw the bow. So displaying two fingers meant that the archers were showing that they were still capable of fighting.
On holiday so returning to the Grauniad puzzle for lack of an alternative.
Looks like you’re going to get a week of 5 Mondays!
Poor fare to be honest!
Even Don appears to have given up trying!
Fingers crossed for a bit of a challenge Friday.
Curmudgeons’ corner – ‘Napper’ to be added to my short list of words I dislike seeing in crosswords, under the category ‘Out-of-use words which people can only justify that you could have heard them in use by reference to a music hall song’. See also ‘tile’
🙂
Thanks Pasquale and Scchua
Tough one, I think. Maybe they’re all tough for me at present, out of practise?
LOI was BEATLE which was a write-in. I didn’t think of ‘beetle’ = project – to me it’s just the insect. Well … I have bushy eyebrows: not quite Groucho, more of the Vaughan Williams pattern, but still they’re projecting eyebrows – but I’ve never heard myself described as “beetle-browed”. Perhaps it’s just a new one to me.
Like PALMY and NAPPER (in that sense) – also unknowns to me. TROUSER took me a while because I’ve only ever seen TYRO spelt thus – is TIRO American – like TYRE -> TIRE? And I should have picked up the parsing of ARCHER sooner.
But I did have a bit of a chuckle at the Paul-like STRIPTEASE followed by LUST. Honestly, guys, isn’t it meant to be just entertainment – and surely there’s a strict rule Do Not Touch? All a mystery to me…
Thanks all the same to the Don and scchua.
5d why exclude real workers from those that visit their ‘local’? You know, the ones that actually work up a thirst by moving actual, material objects in space? Sitting in front of a computer screen, tapping keys, or talking to people all day isn’t work, it’s a form of late capitalist mental illness.