Guardian Prize 29,201 by Philistine

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A combination of the very easy and the frankly obscure (to us, anyway) in this week’s Prize puzzle.

Some clues, like 5 across and 19 down, were effectively write-ins. Others were more challenging and we were left with two that we’re pretty sure are correct but which we could not parse: 10 across and 21 down.  The explanation for 10 across came to me much later but 21 down is still a mystery.  Thanks, teddemupp @1 for explaining the mystery, and to jay @25 for the historical reference.  I’ve amended the blog.

There was no apparent theme or nina, and, unusually for Philistine (who is a heart surgeon by trade), no medical references. Thanks to Philistine for the entertaining challenge.

picture of the completed grid

ACROSS
1 ACT FOR
Represent player admitting false start (3,3)
F(alse) in ACTOR (player).
5 MACKEREL
Lee Mack cooked, ate right fish (8)
R in * (LEE MACK).  Lee Mack is a British actor and comedian.
9 AMUNDSEN
The last word about German and Swiss origin of explorer (8)
UND (German for “and”) and S(wiss) in AMEN (last word).
10 NINETY
Number in exchange? (6)
Roman numerals hidden in eXChange.
11 TAUTOLOGICAL
Reasonable to follow tight circle to the summit at the top of the mountain? (12)
TAUT (tight) O (circle) LOGICAL (reasonable).
13 DADO RAIL
Dali working with a stick about injection moulding (4,4)
A ROD (rev) inside (conveyed by injection) *DALI.
14 EXEMPLAR
Old politician in real trouble? That’s ideal! (8)
EX, MP in *REAL.
17 HIGH JUMP
Spoken greeting bound to create an event (4,4)
HIGH (sounds like “hi”) JUMP (bound).
18
See 13
20 ENTHUSIASTIC
In case it changes, so absorbed and keen (12)
THUS (so) inside *(IN CASE IT).
23 KELVIN
Clyde receives this degree (6)
The River Kelvin is a tributary of the River Clyde in Glasgow.
24 DELOUSED
Tortured soul indeed, having used 3/2 (8)
*SOUL inside DEED. A “lift-and-separate” clue.
25 ETON MESS
Note this dessert? (4,4)
An anagram (or mess) of Eton gives NOTE. The clue is in the answer!
26 SHEATH
Say nothing about fever as protective cover (6)
HEAT (fever) in SH.
DOWN
2
See 3
3 FINE-TOOTH COMB
Bottom inch of loose end wrong, says nitpicker (4-5,4)
*(BOTTOM INCH OF (loos)E).
4 RISQUE
Comme Les Folies Bergère de Paris? Quelle partie? (6)
Hidden in “Paris quelle”. Apart from the fact that the clue is written in French, which is pretty obvious, I’m not sure why it’s in italics.
5 MIND ONE’S P’S AND Q’S
Object to nose reshaping, note with lines said to be polite (4,4,2,3,2)
MIND (object) *(NOSE) PS (note, e.g. at end of letter) QS (sounds like “cues” – lines).
6 CONSOLES
Gaming equipment provides comfort (8)
Double definition.
7 ENNUI
Boredom oddly not seen in Lennon’s music (5)
Alternate letters (the even ones, omitting the odd ones) in lEnNoNs mUsIc. You have to ignore the “s” after Lennon to make the clue work, or perhaps just treat each word separately.
8 EUTHANASIA
Killing juvenile Chinese may be reported (10)
A (somewhat dodgy) homophone of “youth in Asia”.
12 MALIGNMENT
Defamation needs a tiny bit of minor adjustment (10)
M(inor) ALIGNMENT (adjustment).
15 PARACHUTE
This regiment has a kind of music rising above the sound of fire (9)
A RAP (kind of music, rev) above CHUTE (sounds like “shoot”).
16 NUISANCE
Annoyance is hidden by subtlety (8)
IS in NUANCE.
19 ATOLLS
Some islands can be so tall, but not these (6)
*(SO TALL).
21 HAVEN
Sport leader must go to make it a safe environment (5)
Suggestions for how to parse this would be appreciated.  As teddemupp explains at comment No 1, you just remove the first letter from SPORT to give PORT, which is a save environment.  Obvious once you see it!
22 HEAT
Qualifier in 26 (4)
The context is athletics.

 

82 comments on “Guardian Prize 29,201 by Philistine”

  6. Enjoyed this one. although I didn’t manage to parse a few.

    My favourite was DELOUSED which made me laugh. Took a while to work out RISQUE – so obvious once I saw it.

    Also liked: MIND ONES PS AND QS, NUISANCE, AMUNDSEN, DADO RAIL

    Thanks Philistine and bridgesong

  10. After the excitement of being the first to comment today I now can relax and share a bit more of our (there is two of us) solving experience. We did enjoy this a lot and were very pleased with our progress until we came to a halt with 21d and 23a. It was clear that the answer to 21d had to be Haven, but the parsing took us until Thursday. It took a day or two to remember Kelvin as a measure of temperature and then make the connection with the tributary of the Clyde.

    Thanks a lot to Philistine for the fun and to Bridgesong for explaining the solutions so well.

  11. RISQUE
    Just googled…
    Comme Les Folies Bergère =Like ‘The Folies Bergère’
    Folies Bergère (Dictionary.com)
    a Parisian music hall founded in 1869 and noted for the lavish spectacle and mildly risqué content of its entertainments.
    Therefore, Like The Folies Bergère=RISQUE.

    The remaining part of the clue
    de Paris quelle partie=Of ‘paRIS QUElle’ part (only partially translating it).

    The clue was written for a French newspaper??? 🙂

  12. 23a – first instinct was to look up tributaries of the Clyde as wasn’t familiar with this particular one. Some of the parsing was tricky and came after the write-in, but altogether this was a fun solve.

  16. Thanks Philistine for the enjoyment. I missed EUTHANASIA despite the fact that it’s a veritable chestnut at this point. I like teddemupp’s simple parsing of HAVEN; my tortured take was sport=have on minus the leader “o” in “on”. In any event I liked TAUTOLOGICAL, ETON MESS, ENNUI, MALIGNMENT, PARACHUTE, and NUISANCE. Thanks bridgesong for the blog.

  18. Apparently sports that are played with a bat and ball are called “SAFE HAVEN” sports (just learnt that). But still not clear about the rationale for deleting “SAFE” from it, more so because “safe” is also in the definition.

  21. 13a – DADO RAIL – Dali working with a stick about injection moulding (4,4)
    The definition is just “moulding” – we need to lift-and-separate “injection moulding” to get the insertion/inclusion indicator “injection” and the definition.

  22. Thanks for the blog , very apt summary , easy in parts but needed to scratch my head in two corners. TAUTOLOGICAL a great definiton , clever use of Playtex for DELOUSED , XC a neat idea for a hidden clue for NINETY, the KELVIN Hall in Glasgow helped me out.
    AMUNDSEN reminded me of the legendary Bunthorne – Amundsen’s forwarding address (4) .

  23. Angus @ 20 quite right technically , degree Kelvin was replaced by just Kelvin in 1968 for the SI system.
    I would still say the setter is justified, a change of one degree on the Kelvin scale is identical to the Celsius scale.
    To quote William Thomson – ” The characteristic property of the scale which I now propose is that all DEGREES have the same value … ” .

  24. Thanks for explaining the parsing for HAVEN and NINETY, bridgesong and teddemupp. EUTHENASIA was my LOI, possibly because in some way being unsure about the T crosser from NINETY made it that bit harder to think of a word that fitted. There was an audible groan when I did get it in the end. That hidden XC in eXChange is neat. Thanks, Philistine, that was fun – and now I know what a DADO RAIL is.

  25. 21d is perhaps a nod to an old but well known clue ?from Philistine…

    Games of shaven swine? (5) S-PORT

    … it’s from 2013 (puzzle no. 26,079) and was much discussed at the time, as it has been subsequently. However, it contains the same S-PORT / HAVEN association as today’s clue. Last weekend was the 10th anniversary of the publishing of the original puzzle.

  26. Thanks to teddemupp for explaining HAVEN. I’ve amended the blog accordingly.

    And I agree with FrankieG @21 about DADO RAIL and have again amended the blog.

  27. I should add that I will be out all day and so won’t be able to respond to comments posted after about 9.00 BST until this evening.

  28. me@11 contd…
    Def: Comme Les Folies Bergère (de Paris is needed for the wordplay)
    Wordplay: de Paris? Quelle partie?

  30. Kva @28: I agree that the definition for RISQUE is Comme Les Folies Bergere, rather than the selection that I underlined, and will amend the blog accordingly.

  31. Thank you for the blog bridgesong. I respectfully disagree that this crossword doesn’t references to Philistine’s day job. I imagine that EUTHANASIA is a huge challenge medically, legally and personally to surgeons and many in the medical profession. I could include other clues which appear to be related, but as Philistine has clued these with perhaps ironic humour, that’s the way it should stand.

  32. I really liked this and agree with bridgesong’s assessment, writing in 5A, DADO RAIL and DELOUSED.

    I didn’t parse NINETY, but it’s the only number to fit the crossers. Loved the linking between FINE-TOOTH COMB and DELOUSED. I got KELVIN from the museum (in the Hall).

    You don’t see DADO RAILs so much now as they are practical things, positioned where the top of a chair would mark a wall as protection. That extra division of a wall looks better in larger rooms.

    Thank you to Philistine and bridgesong.

  33. Roz @22, I recently paid tribute to Bunthorne’s lovely clue in a clue of mine in my last crossword “Crazy man’s nude, his forwarding address was mush! (8)”. I know you don’t follow links, so I don’t know why I’m commenting really. 😉

  34. I don’t know how you categorise TAUTOLOGICAL. I loved it. Does the question mark at the end lead you to definition by example?

    ETON MESS was a goodie. I like reverse clues and have seen this clued often in UK cryptics. The recipe is very much like some of our Christmas desserts, when plum pudding is just too heavy in the heat.

    Thank you Shanne@32 for DADO RAILs. An easy solve and google confirmation, but I appreciate your explanation of the practical application. I take it that it’s a substantial chair in a substantial place where a DADO RAIL would be of benefit?

  35. paddymelon@34
    TAUTOLOGICAL
    A leading question mark at the end…sounds nice.
    I arrived at the same conclusion as you in the end. 🙂

  36. It’s not surprising that the clue for HAVEN was baffling. When you get the answer, presumably from crossers and ‘safe environment’, you look for wordplay for HAVEN. But there is none. The wordplay is for port, and is pointless. Apart from the notreallysayingwhatismeant way of indicating port, it is no help because it’s not doing anything that safe environment hasn’t already done – if there were more than one possible answer, port would not confirm which.

  38. I guessed 12 and 21 but couldn’t parse (12 is so obvious now), leaving me with just 23 a blank. I tried to find tributaries of the Clyde but didn’t spot Kelvin, maybe because it isn’t a degree. Roz @23 makes good points but doesn’t quite convince me. If it had been “receives one degree” then their interpretation would work.

  39. Thanks Philistine and bridgesong

    Why the fuss about Kelvin? The correct usage might be (eg) ‘three hundred kelvin’ but as it’s a unit of temperature it’s certainly a degree – how else would you define it?

  40. An enjoyable and in parts quite challenging puzzle, with a great variety straightforward and devious clues, and everything in between.

    Not surprisingly, the pair KELVIN and HAVEN took a while to work out. I didn’t know the Kelvin tributary of the Clyde and had to find it. HAVEN was an interesting, non-standard clue in which the first piece of wordplay produced a definition of the answer rather than the answer itself or even a part of it. I was pleased eventually to get it. NINETY was my last in.

    Thanks to Philistine and bridgesong.

  41. Always pleased to find a Philistine. Too many favourites to list.

    Another one baffled by HAVEN here. I started 10a with N(umber) IN…. so it had to be NINETY, but it took ages for me to spot its Roman equivalent, and to remember the youth-in-Asia chestnut.

    Two perennial crossword questions:
    1) faced with a two-word “alternates” clue, are you supposed to treat Lennon’s music as a single 12-character string, or deal with each word separately? Is there a right answer?
    2) How much French/Latin/whatever is it reasonable to expect solvers to know? I had enough French to enjoy RISQUÉ, but might have been annoyed if I’d needed to use Google Translate.

    Thanks Tim C@33 for the lovely AMUNDSEN clue.

  43. Another good one from Philistine. The TTM moment was deafening when I finally saw the XC in exchange. I didn’t, however, see the S-PORT.

    As well as NINETY, I particularly enjoyed TAUTOLOGICAL for the definition, the wordplay for EXEMPLAR and NUISANCE, and the dd for KELVIN.

    Thanks Philistine and bridgesong.

  45. Thanks Philistine and bridgesong. Hard to understand why so many of us, including me, seem to have found 10a and 21d tricky and last ones in. They are so obvious now!

  46. Surely the QS in 5dn are queues (lines) not cues (tho)ugh those would also be lines in a script).

    Is MALIGNMENT really a word people use, or is it just assembled?

    Left with a half-blank grid till this morning. Got a few more and then resorted to Check.

    Tanks, Philistine and bridgesong.

  47. Last week I learned from Google that degrees Kelvin are named after Lord Kelvin, whose title comes from the River Kelvin. So it’s all the same Kelvin.

    I would call a DADO RAIL a chair rail. It’s still commonly seen in places (such as cafes) that have a lot of chairs, but it’s more a stylistic thing than a functional one in many cases.

    I parsed HAVEN as Tony Santucci @16 did; the correct version is obviously better.

    Lastly, it’s again time to gripe that we all are apparently expected to be conversant in French. Fortunately, this one wasn’t hard, even for someone like me who has never studied the language. [My school offered a choice of (in decreasing order of popularity) Spanish, German, French, Latin, and Japanese, with the popularity of German owing to the fact that the teacher had a reputation as an easy A. I took two years each of Latin and German; I’ve also picked up a lot of Spanish through repeated contact. French? Who in the Midwestern US needs French?]

  48. RISQUE is definitey a word used in English.
    I knew of DADO RAILS as wooden rails on walls, a foot or two below the ceiling, used to put picture hooks on.

  49. mr p@47; from Wiki (I don’t know if it’s true): As a second language, French is the second most widely taught foreign language (after Spanish) in American schools, colleges and universities.

  50. @41 gladys – to your first point, I think either way is fair enough, especially in an “oddly” or “evens out” clue, which aren’t the most difficult to begin with. We’ve seen plenty of anagram clues in which a possessive such as “Lennon’s” could include the “s” in the fodder, or where the “ ‘s “ is not included, and represents “is” as a connecting word, leaving only “Lennon” as the fodder. If the enumeration doesn’t help, we just have to look both ways as we try to crack the setter’s code. [btw, I always appreciate your comments, your queries and observations often align with mine, I’m just usually too late to post anything]

    @36 James – I failed to parse this, as well as 10A, but HAVEN seems a good double definition to me, the first literal but obscured by the wordplay in the clue, and the “safe environment” as metaphorical. And I must disagree – if there were more than one possible answer, “port” would clearly indicate the one on the left. 😉

    Thanks bridgesong for the excellent blog. It’s understandable given the number of components in 5D, but you’ve left with=AND out of your parsing (I see you’ll not return for some time)

  52. muffin@48. I think that’s a picture rail, rather than a DADO RAIL. The latter is placed to protect the plaster and/or wallpaper from being scraped by chair backs.

  55. yehudi@50. No way is HAVEN a double definition! The first part of the clue is clearly wordplay. What some others have picked up on is that it is wordplay that relates to a word that is not in the answer but which defines the answer.

    So it’s an additional step to make a double definition. Tricky and clever, but is it fair? I got HAVEN but never wrote it in because the clue was just a bit too clever for me.

  57. Robi @49: that is true. I was speaking strictly of my own school, which (as I said) had an unusually easy German class. But overwhelmingly, the most popular second language here is Spanish, because of its obvious utility: even counting native speakers only, and depending you your sources of data, this is the fifth or sixth-largest Spanish-speaking country in the world, comparable to the population of Argentina. French is a pretty distant second.

    And yes, Muffin, I do know (and even use!) the word RISQUE in English. I would observe that the clue also needs you to know the words comme and partie, which admittedly are pretty basic. That’s how I could solve it even knowing relatively little French.

  59. Now that I’m back, I can respond to a few comments.

    Valentine @46: you’re probably right about queues rather than cues, but both work. Malignment is in Chambers, but I’ve never come across it as far as I can remember.

    mrpenney @ 47: I take your point about French, but I think it’s acceptable because RISQUÉ is also an English word, and the proper names Folies Bergere and Paris are both very familiar. As it’s a hidden clue, you don’t need to be able to translate “partie” as its meaning is not essential to solving the clue.

    And I agree with sheffield hatter’s analysis of HAVEN at 55.

  60. James @36 and sheffield @55 explain very well the problem with the clue for HAVEN. I don’t recall ever before seeing a cryptic clue that functioned in this way, and I’d be happy not to see any more of this kind. The hidden secondary definition (port) didn’t feel witty enough to me to justify the breach of protocol.

    Simon S @39: I value the corrections and refinements that people provide about the general knowledge used or alluded to in the crossword. I was brought up on degree-less Kelvin but now have learned (from Roz @23) that this was a convention established in 1968. People making a fuss about small details is one of the best things about this website.

    In a similar spirit, I think of angles as being measured by default in radians, no unit symbol required. In that convention, the degree symbol represents the number (pi/180). For example, 90° = 90*(pi/180) = pi/2.

  61. If you read old scientific papers the degree symbol is there , same as the Celcius symbol a little circle, I do not know how to type it. Thomson ( Lord Kelvin ) invented the scale and called them degrees.
    The change was simply an SI whim and they are renowned for ridiculous decisions, look at the definition of the Ampere or Candela for example. Even more stupid is how we write units, many are named after people and the unit SYMBOL is a capital letter – K or A or N etc.
    The unit NAME is lower case – kelvin ampere newton etc hard to believe but true.

  62. Thanks bridgesong, never spotted the XC and agree with Graham@45 about it, but when solving I fixated on N+IN+ something as Gladys did. And agree with yehudi@50 that we may or may not need to concatenate before applying the sieve but i think we always ignore the spaces. I entered RISQUE from definition and had to look up “partie” thinking it meant some participle of partir=leave which didn’t help me to confirm wordplay, but on doing so spotted the wordplay and thought it a very clever clue, not annoying at all. I did parse HAVEN eventually but must have been in an American frame of mind as like Tony@16 and mrpenney i spent a long time at first trying to justify HAVE ON dropping the O, and think that could have been a more elegant route to the answer. Overall lots of headscratching before eventual happy enlightement, thanks Philistine.

  63. Girabra @60 , angles are slightly different because they are technically dimensionless. You are quite right that the natural unit is the radian and it does not need a unit symbol.

  64. PS I only know the kelvin without any mention of “degree” and when solving was about to get upset but then took my mortarboard off and put my poet’s hat (mine looks a lot like a dunce’s cap) on, deciding that degree can just mean any sort of fractional scale – and checking in Collins we have “degree = a stage in a scale of relative amount or intensity” – while absolute zero is absolute, the gradation above can be arbitrary, so while it’s nice that an increase of one kelvin is also one degree celsius it isn’t necessary for the clue to work.

  65. Good point Gazzh @64 the Absolute zero is fixed but the second point to define the scale can be anywhere and any value with the divisions being “degrees ” . The matching with Celsius was chosen so that things like Specific Heat Capacity worked the same with both and we do not need two sets of constants for C .

  66. 21d To add to the confusion I parsed 21d as HAVE ON (sport) minus O(fficer) = (just) leader as in Commanding Officer.

  67. Roz @63:

    Temperature being, as you say, a dimensioned quantity, needs a symbol to represent the unit. But does it really need two symbols side by side? I think the move from two symbols (°K) to one symbol (K) was entirely sensible, particularly from the point of view of typesetting scientific papers and reports. You want people to be paying attention to the numbers rather than the fussy details of how to typeset the unit, and you probably also want to avoid having the first part of the unit symbol resemble the numeral 0.

    Roz @61:

    Looking at the definition of, say, the ampere, (which one, by the way? before or after 2019?) doesn’t tell me much about whether the SI act on whims and make ridiculous decisions. The standards agencies have the task of providing measurable specifications for units. If they are carrying out an overall optimization with respect to making all units as precisely measurable as possible while keeping them close enough to previous values for most purposes, I’d not be surprised that some of the definitions they end up with might look whimsical and ridiculous to most people, because we are not on the sharp operational end of these definitions. Most of us are not the ones that have to make these measurements or use them to very fine levels of precision.

    One of my friends is a physicist who was on the committee that worked on the 2019 changes to the SI definitions. It was clear from talking to him that they take these things extremely seriously, and have very good reasons for what they decide. Of course their decisions may well be in contradiction with other possible decisions that can themselves be supported with good reasons, so not everyone will be happy.

    The upper-case/lower-case thing for unit names makes total sense to me. I want my brain to easily be able to parse whether a symbol in a formula is a physical unit or something else (so make units mostly single capital letters, perhaps prefixed with another letter) and also to parse whether a word in text refers to a physical unit or a person (so make the units words in lower case). Very easy to mock, but there is a sensible rationale.

    In all of these cases, there is what I’d call “emergent ridiculosity”, which is what happens when you make good decisions in complicated multi-constraint situations. You can end up with things that look ridiculous at a casual glance. This doesn’t imply that there is anything wrong with them.

  68. Roz @61, I believe current practice is to write Celsius temperatures without the little circle, too. E.g. ‘The maximum . on that day was 30C’.

  70. It’s all well and truly been said, but just to record that I enjoyed this (at times challenging) puzzle from Philistine, the helpful blog by bridgesong, and the contributions that precede mine – an interesting read.

  71. Girabra I agree about the little circle and the type-setting but it is still degrees Kelvin.

    My main problem with the Ampere is not the definition as such but it is still one of the BASE units , out of 7 , and used as the basis for many derived units.
    For the 2019 review I and many other physicists were part of many commitees and submissions, the overwhelming view was that the Ampere should be removed as a base unit and replaced by the Coulomb. The Ampere is defined as 1 coulomb per second and is BASE , the Coulomb can be defined directly from the fundamental unit of charge and is DERIVED ( 1C = 1As ) ?? Ridiculous does not begin to describe it. I assure my view is not just a casual glance . As for the Candela I will not even start .

    Symbols are a mix of lower-case m s kg and upper-case when named after a person K J N , I would prefer unit names to follow this convention but the SI rulers know better .

  72. Home from weekend away, so late posting. I enjoyed this puzzle – as bridgesong says, a mixture of easy and obscure clues, but also with some amusement. I am a physical chemist and I teach at Glasgow, so I was pleased to enter KELVIN, and not at all worried about the definition. I might say degrees when talking about values in the Kelvin scale, but always write the values without the degree symbol as per convention. I couldn’t explain NINETY and HAVEN until I read this blog – both good clues.

  73. Whe does the Grauniad usually publish the annotated solutions? I wanted to see what they gave for HAVEN, but it’s not up yet.

  74. Muffin

    The annotated solution used to be published at around 3.00 p.m. on the Friday following publication; I don’t know why this one hasn’t yet been. It may be connected to the non-availability of the Guardian’s crossword editor, Hugh Stephenson, something that was alluded to by a setter in a response to a recent blog.

  75. Thanks bridgesong. I wonder if they can’t decide what the parsing for HAVEN is? I’m not totally convinced by either suggestion.

  76. An interesting puzzle. Like some others, I failed to parse NINETY. EUTHANASIA was certainly rather dodgy. Favourites with me were NUISANCE and KELVIN. The gaming equipment held me back. CHESSMEN and … with greater relevance … CUSHIONS (as in snooker) came to mind. CONSOLES did not. I loved the thought of a speaking comb! Thanks all.

  77. 22dn – Explanation is that the answer, heat, is contained within the answer to 26ac, sheath. Bridgesong suggests that ‘the context is athletics’, possibly thinking that there was a theme. I had thought that my comment was so obvious that someone else might have picked it up.

  78. I did not parse:
    10ac NINETY=number
    5d – very clever!
    21d HAVEN= safe environment but what is the sport bit without leader? aha, very good clue!

    Favourite: RISQUE.

    New: River Kelvin (for 23ac); DADO RAIL.

    Thanks, both.

  79. I’m confused that the HAVEN clue is considered OK. How do you get from Port to Haven? It would be like an anagram of the word cheese but they were looking for a type of cheese wouldn’t it? I can do that but this isn’t the Mephisto.

  80. Alex @79: you’re a little late to the party, and I don’t know if you’ve read all the previous comments, but here goes. Both PORT and HAVEN can be defined as a harbour so they are synonymous. Many perfectly acceptable clues, such as charades, use this device. The difference here is that you must first remove the initial S from SPORT before finding the synonym. As you can see from the blog, I personally didn’t manage to work that out when solving, but I don’t now regard the clue as unfair.

  81. @Bridgesong. I understand what they’re doing but I don’t see where the bit is that says Sport with no leader is “an example of this” or similar. I don’t agree that it’s within the accepted format. It’s a different game.

  82. Alex: “to make it” is the key phrase. But I agree it isn’t obvious, which is why I couldn’t parse it initially.

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