Guardian Quick Cryptic 1 – Carpathian

This for the new Guardian Quick Cryptic #1 published on Saturday 6 April, a new 11 x 11 crossword with the following special instructions: TODAY’S TRICKS Clues begin or end with a definition of the answer. The rest is one of these: 1. Anagram – An anagram of the answer and a hint that there’s an anagram ‘Senator arranged crime (7)’ gives TREASON 2. Hidden word – Answer is hidden in the clue’s words ‘Some have altered meat (4)’ gives VEAL 3. Charade – A combination of synonyms ‘Qualify to get drink for ID (8)’ gives PASSPORT (pass + port) 4. Soundalike – Something that sounds like the answer ‘Excited as Oscar’s announced (4)’ gives WILD It can be found here: https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/quick-cryptic/1 Usual abbreviations of: underlining the definition in the clue using brackets and an asterisk to show the anagram capitals to show the letters used in the solution.
ACROSS
1 CONSIDERATE Kind of awful desecration (11)   anagram (DESECRATION)* – anagram indicator = awful
6 ARBITER Judge of cooked rarebit (7) anagram (RAREBIT)* – anagrind = cooked
8 EDGE Limit unwarranted generosity in part (4) hidden (in part) in unwarrentED GEnerosity
9 DAZE We hear Monday and Sunday cause confusion (4) soundalike (we hear) – days (Monday and Sunday) and DAZE (confusion)
10 GEE Urge equine taking part to hurry up (3) hidden in urGE Equine edit – coming back to this to correct the definition – both urge and hurry up mean GEE, but urge equine is part of the wordplay.
12 REIGN Rule check in audition (5) soundalike (in audition) rein (check) and REIGN (rule)
13 TACIT  Silent attic disturbed (5) anagram (ATTIC)* – anagrind = disturbed
14 USA Republic is part of crusade (3) hidden (is part of) crUSAde
16 TEST Try selection of chocolate sticks (4) hidden (selection of) chocolaTE STicks
18 PEAR Loudly trim fruit tree (4) soundalike (loudly) – pare (trim) and PEAR (fruit tree)
19 TOSSPOT Throw container for idiot (7) charade – TOSS (throw) + POT (container) =  TOSSPOT (idiot)
20 NIGHTINGALE Dark period in strong wind for bird (11) charade = NIGHT (dark period) + IN + GALE (strong wind) = NIGHTINGALE (bird)
DOWN
1 CELEBRATION Disrupted rebel action for feast (11) a anagram (REBEL ACTION)* – anagrind – disrupted
2 SORE Audibly noticed wound (4) soundalike (audibly) – saw (noticed) – SORE (wound)
3 DRIVE Doctor I have to steer (5) charade – DR (doctor) + I’VE (I have) = DRIVE (to steer)
4 REED Grass study announced (4) soundalike (announced) – REED (grass) and read (study)
5 EXPECTORATE Anticipate lecture producing spit (11) charade – EXPECT (anticipate) + ORATE (lecture) = EXPECTORATE (spit)
6 AGAINST Opposing once more on street (7) charade – AGAIN (once more) + ST (street) = AGAINST (opposing)
7 RATCHET Chatter about tool (7) anagram (CHATTER)* – anagrind – about
10 GNU Animal kept in varying numbers (3) hidden (kept in) – varyinG NUmbers
11 ETA Tea poured out for character from Greece (3) anagram (TEA)* – anagrind – poured out
15 SUSHI Partly serves us Himalayan dish (5) hidden (partly) serveS US HImalayan
17 TOSH Rubbish host gets upset (4) anagram (HOST)* anagrind – gets upset
18 PONG Keep on gracefully suppressing stench (4) hidden (suppressing) keeP ON Gracefully
 

43 comments on “Guardian Quick Cryptic 1 – Carpathian”

  1. Next job is to work out how to format this properly – apologies.

    Please suggest anything that would make things easier.

  2. Can’t help with formatting, Shanne. The blog looks fine to me.

    The category is suffering from a typo: “Quick Crypic”!

  3. Thanks Shanne
    I don’t think I’ll bother with this again – TOSSPOT was the only non-write-in, and I would have defined it as drunkard rather than idiot (could be the same, I suppose!)

  4. muffin @4 – I’m not sure that it’s aimed at the regulars here, but at those who are learning. There have been mutters (including me) that the Everyman and Quiptic are inconsistent and not always that accessible for beginners.

  5. I think it is a good idea to put it under the Quick in the paper. I know a lot of people who just do the Quick and might take a look. The Guardian could also advertise the Quiptic in the same space, when and where to find it. The Quick has a large following and some could be tempted to move on to others.

  6. Agree with most comments. It does appear a good idea and I hope it works.

    I wonder if this will see other puzzles becoming more difficult?

  7. I’ve been thinking about the cryptics for a long time but they always seem so complicated! I really enjoyed the crossword itself and appreciated the working out that Shanne has given: thank you.

  8. This is a great idea, whether or not the more experienced solvers bother to tackle it. It’s supposed to be very much entry level, and it is. I’m one who has said that the present Everyman isn’t as easy as the old one, so I’m glad to see something that really is for beginners. Muffin isn’t the target audience.

  9. Thanks for the blog, Shanne.

    I tried this crossword out of curiosity and I am sure beginners will appreciate it.

    What a pity a contentious homophone was included – SORE

  10. I think this is a great idea and was pitched about right. Thank you so much for the blog Shanne. I think it’s the first I’ve seen from you, although you are a frequent commentator. Don’t worry about the format. It does the necessary perfectly. Well done 🎆😎. Pauline

  11. Nice blog, Shanne – well done.

    Dave Ellison@11, while I would have liked to see Shanne use the term “aural wordplay” instead of “soundalike”, she did define it as “sounds like” which is not the same as “sounds exactly the same to both rhotic and non-rhotic speakers”. If you treat 2d SORE as a pun it is not the least bit dodgy.

    This is a nice idea. Once solvers find these easy to complete they can tackle Everyman, Quiptic and Monday Cryptics and discover what a delight this pastime can be.

  12. Shanne the blogger! Congrats! And thanks for the blog!
    This style of puzzle is certainly a good idea. Will help many.

    You may consult one of our veteran bloggers to ensure that the blog is formatted properly.
    I don’t want to name any blogger but I can say this much:
    A blog attracts me, when it makes use of colours, italics, bold etc., uniformly (there should be a pattern to it) so that it makes the blog quite clear and interesting to read.

    That said, I read all the blogs on this site (all of them are above par).

  13. Cellomaniac @13 you may not be aware that TODAY’S TRICKS was printed in the paper next to the puzzle. I like the the term aural wordplay but at least soundalike is better than homophone and is perhaps a good compromise for the newest solvers.

  14. cellomaniac @13 soundalike was the term used in the preamble of the published crossword. Each of these crosswords only uses four tricks which are explained, and I was trying to keep it simple.

    KVa @14 – first I need to work out how to insert a table to get it all to line up. Then to tie into the crossword terms. I did dither about adding colour coding, but thought it would add to the chaos until it’s all lined up and also make it harder for some disabilities. It may suddenly improve this week so there’s a format to use next week.

    Dave Ellison @11, I also wondered about the unannounced abbreviations – DR for doctor, etc as I put the blog together.

  15. Thank you Pauline in Brum @12 – I offered to blog this when I flagged it on Saturday, so a total scramble getting signed up and a blog together. It’s also a while since I used WordPress.

  16. This was a fun puzzle and it is an excellent idea for beginners. The comments on the Guardian blog below the puzzle are very positive. Many people posted this is the first cryptic they ever managed to solve. Well done!

  17. I really like the effort to get more newbies into the cryptic crossword hobby; I’d hate to think that it might die out due to lack of new adherents. I especially liked the instructions explaining the types of clues; I had to buy a book to get the same info when I started out. Hopefully this will be a success, and get more enthusiasts doing the regular cryptics.

  18. I think this is a really good idea. Gives a good first step from which people can move on to the quiptic and Monday cryptic, and then to the sky if they wish.

    The formatting looks fine to me.

  19. ✔Nice work Shanne; jargon-free. Maybe the setter – Carpathian – could be mentioned. Always hate the SAW/SORE soundalike. Where’s the fun or pun in that?
    Thanks C&S

  20. FrankieG @21 – added in Carpathian and corrected a missing letter.

    I have worked out how to add in a table, this morning, so between my last comments and gregfromoz @19, just not how to make it as pretty as I’d like, but small steps. I’ve now got a format for next week, I hope.

  21. Shanne: for what it’s worth, I am not colour-blind, but I find colour coding confusing and unhelpful. Of course, I may be alone in this.

  22. Gladys@23:I’m with you, some colours are fine, but others make it harder to read. AMD in my case, not bad yet, but everything is a little fuzzy.

  23. Had a go just to see. Won’t be coming back but, as others have said, that’s not the point. Frowned at SORE=?’saw’, so I see the new crossword intends to perpetuate the homophone looseness we are sadly accustomed to.

  24. Thanks for this nice clear blog Shanne and thanks Carpathian for an enjoyable solve which, as per comments above and on the G website, is already doing a good job of enticing new solvers, so hats off to the new editor (who is presumably responsible for the innovation).

  25. I wouldn’t consider myself an experienced solver, but as others have mentioned, this is definitely a gateway puzzle, and hopefully it will encourage beginners to dip a toe into cryptics.

  26. This is very exciting and very nicely constructed! Yes it is quick for a seasoned solver but that was just what I needed at the moment, and the clues were well done. The grid is also nice, when a clue is less than half cross-lighted I’d much rather get the first and last than something like the second and fourth of a five-letter word.

    Thanks to Carpathian and Shanne!

  27. I would have loved this a year ago when I was just starting out! So helpful.
    But I’m clearly not that much of a beginner any more, as I did this very fast and can finally say “a write in”! Yay!
    I hope Steffen sees this…

  28. Sorry for the ignorance, but how do people pronounce sore/saw? They’re an exact homophone (for me at least), so I was surprised to see some consider it contentious

  29. Sam @31 – it’s whether you have a rhotic accent or not, in other words, do you sound your “r’s”? Most American and Scottish accents, plus the English West Country, for example, roll their “r’s” and in those cases, sore and saw don’t sound the same. My accent chameleons depending on who I’m talking to so my rhoticity wanders in and out.

    I found some lovely maps – this one from Reddit showing how little of the USA is non-rhotic, and this article from Wikipedia about rhoticity in England.

  30. Thanks Shanne, you’ve explained it perfectly 🙂 Given I have lived in Devon my whole life I’m feeling a little embarrassed not to have realised!

  31. Still don’t get most of the answers even after the explanation. I guess cryptics are not for me ☹️

  32. Pirate @34 – what don’t you get? What can I do to make this easier?

    I wouldn’t have offered to blog this crossword if I hadn’t wanted to help people learn cryptic crosswords, so if you can’t see how this works, what can I do to clarify the problems?

  33. Super stuff, Shanne – I think you’ve got it just about spot on….

    As a seasoned solver of various broadsheet cryptics (most days since the 1960s), like others I’m unlikely to visit again for my own amusement. However, I’m currently – and usually – tempting and/or cajoling and/or helping acquaintances into our cruciverbal world, and this new 11² format, with it’s attached ‘key’ is quite perfect ….

    Huge gratitude for you and Carpathian for such graceful generosity

    On the SORE/SAW ‘squibble’, I like your “soundalike”; after all – it’s not claimed to be a homophone by the setter (so that such equivalence is irrelevant!) but is simply a jolly good pun and for commenters to imagine the need for an exact homophone spoils the fun …

    My only two pennyworth is a little bit of support for acceptable/useful ‘jargon’. In the same way that “anagrind” nicely describes an anagram’s indicator, so does “anagrist” wittily, and appositely, describe its fodder …. or grist!

    Once again, well done Shanne – a very nice job indeed (so good a job that no colours are needed btw, imho) and thanks again to you and Carpathian for your thoughtfulness

    (Could this be a game changer? John Halpern (‘Paul’) believes cryptics should be taught in schools – and who am I to disagree?! Perhaps some curious English teachers will now get the bug….)

    William (the first!)

  34. @Shanne 36

    My 2p on accessibility would be to make the blog as super simple as the crossword itself, rather than treat it as we do all others, so:

    1. The “Usual abbreviations of:” is trapped between the special instructions and the grid. So not as noticeable as could be if it were directly under your very initial comment.

    2. If someone is a first timer then perhaps that explanation format could itself be explained, perhaps referencing them with one of the trial clues/answers to show a trial explanation.

    3. Some words like ANAGRIND are not defined and could perhaps be put in your usual abbreviations, and/or referenced in the explanations as “anagram indicator” – similarly words like fodder could be explained when you come to use them.

    4. I like that you reference the type of clue back to the initial description. However, you could be more verbose with, say, one or two of the explanations. for example
    e.g. soundalike (loudly) – pare (trim) and PEAR (fruit tree)
    could be, if you explaining the solve to someone “think of another word for trim, that sounds like a type of fruit tree which gives you PEAR and PARE. But the answer is PEAR not PARE because only one is at the start/end of the sentence. ”

    5. Explain the use of the word “for” in a clue … that it often gives you the hint that’s where the definition is.

    6. On a similar note, perhaps Nightingale and other charades might be better written with the elements on separate lines e.g.
    NIGHT (a synonym for “dark period”)
    + IN (using the word “in” from the clue, not actually a synonym)
    + GALE (a name for a particular type of “strong wind” from the Beaufort scale)
    = (for) NIGHTINGALE (“bird”)
    I know it seems tedious but it allows for a more friendly explanation, especially in later crosswords where the wordplay starts to cross boundaries (e.g. charade of synonym + anagram + non-synonym)

    Sometimes we forget that what we are all very familiar with now had to be learned at some point. And that new vocabulary/jargon can be off-putting and confusing to newbies, even if it’s just a word or two.

    Thanks for the blog, and to Carpathian for a lovely little grid

  35. Thank you Dave Keene @38, that’s all very helpful.

    I did try to explain anagrind by typing it in full the first time I used it, but in hindsight, that probably wasn’t enough

    I’ll see what I can do with tomorrow’s blog.

  36. Really informative. Superb for people like me who are rubbish at cryptic crosswords and desperately want to improve.

    I struggled with this for some reason; the explanations make it sound so straightforward.

    It’s difficult to explain the panic and frustration that sets in when you don’t know what kind of clue each one is.

  37. Steffen @40, it’s a new vocabulary and way of looking at words. There are a few setters where I read through the clues with that blankness as nothing makes sense on first read through, but if you can get any clue to start with, those letters give you help on any crossers.

    I look for anagrams, so odd collections of words with an anagram indicator. Those odd collections of words often hide hidden words, am I looking forwards or backwards?

    I also read word by word thinking of synonyms particularly the less obvious ones, because that’s a good way of misleading. Lead – are we talking the element or going in front, or window bars or roof flashings?

  38. As a newbie I am pleased the Guardian took this step to educate us in the baffling world of cryptics. This blog is very useful too. I came across it as I needed an explanation for 12 across. I was so sure the answer was “Audit” for “Rule Check”, but in hindsight I guess that was just too easy, even for a beginners puzzle.

  39. Shad @42 – you’re right, it could be AUDIT as a hidden word, and when I solved this crossword it was a clue I didn’t immediately enter, because I could see more than one possible answer, and waited for the crossers to see which fitted.

    The setters, particularly the current very experienced setters creating these crosswords do try to make things a bit more challenging, but we recently had a clue from Carpathian in the Quiptic that caused me to hesitate for a similar reason:

    29 Admire Reverend George regularly.

    The solution is REVERE – REV for Reverend plus alternate letters in GEoRgE (regularly).

    I paused because REVERE is hidden in REVEREnd too.

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