Guardian Cryptic 29,466 by Qaos

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Apologies for a slightly hurried blog today. I enjoyed this, and particularly liked 13ac, 24ac, 5dn, and 20dn. Thanks to Qaos

There is a theme in the answers around bridges and supporting structures

ACROSS
9 EXPLORERS
Penny wears fake Rolexes to impress Romeo, Cook and Drake? (9)
definition: explorers James Cook and Francis Drake

P (Penny) inside anagram/”fake” of (Rolexes)*, which also goes around R (Romeo, NATO alphabet)

10 LARCH
Demo initially lost 950 in wood (5)
definition: a type of pine

MARCH=”Demo” with M changing to L

in Roman numerals, M (1000) changing to L (50) is a loss of 950

11 GIRDERS
Soldiers detain king over communist supporters (7)
GIS (GI=soldier, GIs=soldiers) around both of: R (Rex, king) plus reversal/”over” of RED=”communist”
12 RESIDUE
Engineers uranium inside remains? (7)
RE (Royal Engineers), plus U (uranium) “inside”=’in / side’=in SIDE
13 TRUSS
You ignoramus! Her reckless budget ends in disaster (5)
definition: reference to the disastrous mini-budget of former UK prime minister Liz Truss

anagram/”disaster” of the end letters from [yo]-U [ignoramu]-S [He]-R [reckles]-S [budge]-T

14 CONSIDERS
Thinks about fireman’s red – is no Chippendale revealed? (9)
reversed (“about”) and hidden (“revealed”) in: [fireman’]-S RED IS NO C-[hippendale]
16 EMERGING MARKETS
Joining record set to be broken following European investment opportunities (8,7)
MERGING=”Joining” + MARK=”record” + anagram/”broken” of (set)*; following E (European)
19 TESTIFIER
Trial by fire axed to protect independent witness (9)
TEST=”Trial” plus anagram/”axed” of (fire)*; going around/”to protect” I (independent)
21 CABLE
College fellow left out of story in telegram (5)
C (College), plus [F]-ABLE=”story” without F for “fellow”
22 BEATS ME
I don’t know the answer to strikes – make void? (5,2)
BEATS=”strikes” + M-[ak]-E voided of its inner letters
23 TIEDYES
Stained fabrics in draw starting to discolour, of course (3-4)
TIE=tied game=”draw” + starting letter of D-[iscolour] + YES=”of course”
24 AMEND
Change the last word down (5)
AMEN=”the last word” + D (down)
25 ESPERANTO
Language earns poet bucks (9)
anagram/”bucks” of (earns poet)*
DOWN
1 WEIGHTIEST
It’s most important you and I gain 81 stone (10)
WE=”you and I”, around EIGHT and I=eight and one=”81″; plus ST (stone)
2 APERTURE
During fitting, queen’s certain to lose small opening (8)
ER (Elizabeth Regina, “queen”) inside APT=”fitting”; plus [S]-URE=”certain” minus S for “small”
3 BOXERS
Settlers kennel 10 dogs (6)
BOERS=”Setters” around X=10 in Roman numerals
4 BEDS
Where to find roses in county (4)
double definition: flower beds; or Bedfordshire
5 ASTRONOMER
One reviewing moon, star and limits of double quasar (10)
anagram/”reviewing” of (moon star)*, plus the ends/limits of [doubl]-E [quasa]-R
6 FLASHIER
More glamorous bird, perhaps circling tree (8)
FLIER=”bird, perhaps”, around ASH=”tree”
7 BRIDGE
Game of golf described by newly-wed (6)
definition: Bridge the card game

G (golf, NATO alphabet), inside BRIDE=”newly-wed”

8 SHOE
Pastry delivered for loafer? (4)
sounds like (“delivered” to an audience): ‘choux’ pastry
14 CANTILEVER
Social worker first punches intelligent support (10)
ANT=”Social worker” + I=number one=”first”; both inside CLEVER=”intelligent”
15 SUSPENSION
Deferral of South American allowance (10)
S (South) + US (American) + PENSION=”allowance”
17 GLISSADE
One’s unhappy breaking leg outside in dance movement (8)
(I = ‘one’, so…) I’S=”One’s”, plus SAD=”unhappy”; with anagram/”breaking” of (leg)* going outside
18 EMBAYING
Shutting in criminal, maybe in top of gaol (8)
anagram/”criminal” of (maybe in)*, plus top letter of G-[aol]
20 STAYED
Remained sober as instructed (6)
sounds like (“as instructed”): ‘staid’=”sober”
21 CHEERS
Bishop leaves drinks after church in good health (6)
B (Bishop, chess notation), leaving [B]-EERS=”drinks”; after CH (church)
22 BEAM
West starting to break up broadcast (4)
MAE (actress Mae West) plus start of B-[reak], all reversed/”up”
23 TYPE
Katy Perry showing character (4)
hidden in [Ka]-TY PE-[rry]

82 comments on “Guardian Cryptic 29,466 by Qaos”

  1. bodycheetah

    One to irk the purists? Top ticks for RESIDUE, ASTRONOMER, LARCH & GLISSADE

    NHO EMBRAYING but impeccably clued

    Younger solvers maybe baffled by the Mae West reference?

    Cheers Q&M

  2. William

    Thank you, manehi, couldn’t quite unravel LARCH. I could see what was going on but yours is neat.

    I’ll leave finding al the “supports” to others.

  3. poc

    Couldn’t parse LARCH, but otherwise a fine puzzle. Surely 13a is an &lit?

  4. Tim C

    I enjoyed the trickery in LARCH. After finishing I thought Qaos… there must be a theme and of course there was for this ex-Stressman to do with structural elements. My current list includes BOX GIRDERS, TRUSS, BRIDGE, SUSPENSION, CABLE, TIE, CANTILEVER, STAY and BEAM, although there may be more.

  5. Steppie

    LARCH was my personal favourite clue of the day; Qaos always has something a bit mathematical, and this was perfect. As usual, I forgot to seek a theme until after I’d finished, but then it was clear enough – brilliantly including TRUSS! TTS&B.

  6. Tomsdad

    I thought 13 could qualify as an &Lit. GLISSADE and EMBAYING new words for me, but the clues gave the instructions. LARCH was a neat trick. BEAM was my LOI, I’m assumed to say, though I’ve seen enough 30’s films to remember the lady (‘Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me’). Thanks to manehi and Qaos.

  7. Alec

    Really not sure about LARCH. Does LM ever appear in Latin texts for 950? And, if so, how does that give L FOR M? I spent a bit of time toying with ELM and only completed through crossers – my LOI. Enlightenment, please.

  8. Mike

    agree with poc that 13a is &lit

  9. scraggs

    Another one who enjoyed LARCH, amongst others. Took a while for the penny to drop as regards theme (after people on the site had mentioned its existence). Enjoyable, and a step or two up in difficulty from yesterday’s (though the first commenter over at the Guardian disagrees pointedly).

  10. Crispy

    I’m with Alec @7 on LARCH. I just find it irritating.

  11. KLrunner

    It seems neither Alec@7 or Crispy@10 has read the blog which explains 10ac LARCH very clearly.

  12. paddymelon

    Thanks manehi. I had TRUSS as CAD, the whole clue (edit, as per poc@3 and mike@8).
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    I did get BEAM eventually from Mae West, bodycheetah@1, but then I’m only 70+ years young. Very deceptive with West at the beginning of the clue. It was my LOI, and hadn’t at that stage seen the theme. So I was beaming about that.
    ASTRONOMER, on the other hand, I don’t think works as a CAD. Maybe a different anagrind although I can’t come up with a better suggestion. I suppose an astronomer could be reviewing those things.
    Liked ESPERANTO and BEATS ME.

  13. matthew newell

    @Alec No7 Whilst LM could be read as 950 in Roman Numerals (like you I am not sure it ever really appears like that) it is not necessary for clue. Demo is March. March initially is M (1000). 1000 losing 950 is 50 which is L. It’s pretty tortuous but I think it is acceptable.

    thanks Manehi and Qaos

  14. SimoninBxl

    The parsing of Larch was too clever for me, but now I get it thanks to Manehi, as it is M-950 which equals L.

  15. Judge

    I liked LARCH and agree with Manehi’s explanation. I would include ARCH in the theme words. Also CABLE-STAYED, perhaps?

    Thanks M and Q

  16. matthew newell

    @Alec No7

    Demo gives March. Initially points to M. M is 1000. 1000 losing 950 is 50. 50 is L .

    It is not necessary to think of 950 as LM in Roman Numerals – like you I am not sure if that is a correct construction.

    thanks Qaos and Manehi

  17. ravenrider

    alec @7 I thought the 950 trick was a clever novelty. You don’t need LM=950, you just have to treat M=1000 and L=50 as different ways of stating the same number.

  18. gladys

    You are not being asked to believe that LM=950 in Latin notation (which I don’t think it does). If you start with the initial M(arch)=1000, then subtract 950 from it, you are left with L(arch)=50. You are entitled to find this kind of trick annoying – I don’t, but other kinds of clever-dickery irritate me instead. My brain wasn’t in gear this morning and I didn’t finish this one, so I’ll say no more.

  19. matthew newell

    test. My comments keep seeming to be swallowed up. Wrote two explanations for Alec -both gone for ever into the ether.

    thanks Qaos and Manehi.

    Last try

  20. michelle

    Looked for a theme after I finished but could not see it.

    Favourites: SUSPENSION, GLISSADE, TRUSS.

    I didn’t parse 10ac LARCH apart from thinking of [m]arch = ‘demo initially lost’ but did not get the maths bit of it which is very clever.

    New for me: EMBAYING.

    Thanks, both.

  21. Alec

    Thanks ravenrider@15 and gladys@16. You have taken me kindly by the hand. Now all is light.

  22. Andy in Durham

    A sheer delight. Thanks Qaos for the puzzle and Manehi for the blog.
    I got the theme early on – solving CANTILEVER just after solving GIRDERS was a bit of a clue to me! It helped with my LOI – BEAM, which fitted the theme but which I couldn’t parse otherwise (I had totally forgotten about the wonderful Mae West).

  23. Tim C

    I agree about ARCH and CABLE-STAYED Judge @14. My working life was more involved with ribs, spars, stringers, longerons and intercostals.

  24. pserve_p2

    My LOI, BEAM, delayed my completion for ages! I thought of that crosswordland chestnut Mae West immediately (‘cos I had the crossers, so ‘W’ wouldn’t work) but discarded it just as quickly since I couldn’t see a way to make her fit. And then I ploughed laboriously through the alphabet. Of course, I hadn’t clocked the theme, otherwise that might have helped me. Doh!
    “bucks” as an anagrind is a bit overstretched, I think… just to squeeze out a decent surface.

  25. chargehand

    Thoroughly enjoyable. Spotted the supporting theme rather late but I often miss themes. Parsed LARCH as Gladys @16 describes. Many thanks Q and M.

  26. ronald

    Fairly flew through this, unusually for me when tackling a Qaos puzzle. Even noticed the theme with the likes of CANTILEVER, BRIDGE, GIRDERS and TRUSS in place. Though couldn’t quite work out how the very short lived PM worked. Loi was BEAM after quite a pause. Should have realised much more quickly that it might be another theme related clue. Many thanks Qaos for the entertainment and Manehi for the enlightenment…

  27. Alec

    And thanks Matthew newell@17. It’s the thought that counts. 👍

  28. ian

    Gladys@16, that’s right, Latin for 950 is CML. That’s what I was initially looking for…

  29. Eileen

    Another clever puzzle from Qaos – and I’m chuffed to have spotted the theme.

    I had lots of ticks but won’t list them all. I loved my first one in, 9ac EXPLORERS but laughed out loud at the brilliant 13ac TRUSS, imagining the lady in question saying, ‘That’s not funny!’ and storming off.

    Many thanks to Qaos for the fun and manehi for a great blog.

  30. muffin

    Thanks Qaos and manehi
    TRUSS was obvious from the definition, but I had no idea of the wordplay. “Small county” (or similar) would have fairer in 4d, as “Beds” is an abbreviation for Bedfordshire. “Axed” is pretty left-field as an anagram indicator.
    Favourite BEAM.

  31. Charles

    There is also a TIED-ARCH bridge.

  32. Shanne

    All in and parsed – and even spotted the theme (I was hoping to get Qaos to blog when I was covering for Eileen last week as I love the maths trickery)

    We’ve seen L converted to V, or M to C, before by dividing by 10 (or vice versa), so M to L by subtracting 950 is just more along the same theme.

    Thank you to manehi and Qaos.

  33. Robi

    I always enjoy seeing Qaos as the setter. Fun in solving and fun to find the theme. Luckily I spotted it before the LOI CANTILEVER. Perhaps SHOE and BOXERS are also supporters (and maybe LARCH gate posts); any more?

    I liked the well-hidden CONSIDERS, the wordplays for RESIDUE, GLISSADE and APERTURE, and the bucks anagrind for ESPERANTO. I spotted the demo = mARCH and the change to LARCH, but like some others got my knickers in a twist by thinking of LM; CHEERS manehi for the explanation.

    Thanks Qaos and manehi.

  34. Balfour

    Othello Act II scene i: Montano discussing the ferocious storm in the seas off Cyprus:

    If that the Turkish fleet
    Be not enshelter’d and embay’d, they are drown’d:
    It is impossible they bear it out.

    I can’t think that I have seen it anywhere else, but other examples welcomed.

  35. Cormac

    Not quite right on the theme – it’s underwear. SUSPENders, CANTILEVER bra, BOXERS, TRUSS, maybe BEATS ME for an S&M angle?

  36. Alastair

    Total disaster with only two answers so didn’t get anywhere near the theme!
    Is the Graniad inconsistent or is it just me? I usually complete but some puzzles leave me stumped.

  37. AlanC

    On the gentler side with what I thought was as reasonably obvious theme, liked the devices used in RESIDUE, CONSIDERS and BOXERS.

    Ta Qaos & manehi.

  38. PaulH

    Has anyone already mentioned WEIGH-bridge?

  39. NeilH

    Lovely.
    CONSIDERS was one of the best-concealed containers I’ve seen for some time, and TRUSS was absolutely brilliant. Eileen @27 takes the words out of my mouth.
    Thanks, both.

  40. MikeB

    As a mathematician I would express 10 as:
    MARCH – 950 = MARCH – (M – L) = MARCH – M + L = LARCH
    Thanks to all

  41. MAC089

    For some reason, despite being used to Qaos’ puzzles, I didn’t even think to look for a theme. Re: 10, never let it be said that Monty Python wasn’t educational!

  42. Dr. WhatsOn

    I was about to put what MikeB@38 did. The other offered explanations have all the pieces, but this is the only one where the arithmetical syntax lines up exactly with the clue syntax.

  43. Roz

    Thanks for the blog, for LARCH I agree with the blogger. MARCH initially = M = 1000 lost 950 so is now 50 = L.
    Cormac@33 , a nice idea , we also have Playtex for RESIDUE , but I think the bridges etc win. If the setter wanted underwear then GIRDERS could easily have become GARTERS with a small change in wordplay.

  44. SueM48

    Another who couldn’t quite get the wordplay for LARCH with the M and L, though I could see what was needed. It’s very ingenious. Thanks manehi and others for the explanations.
    I enjoyed the variety of devices and the neat surfaces in this puzzle. Spotting the theme early helped to find the last few.
    Apart from LARCH, I liked BEAM, BEATS ME, TRUSS, BOXERS and RESIDUE.
    And as a former social worker (not an 🐜 or a 🐝), I was quite amused by the surface for CANTILEVER.
    Thanks, Qaos and manehi

  45. Crispy

    KLRunner @11. Not sure I like the tone of your comment. I DID read the blog, and undetstood what was being said. I still find the clue irritating.

  46. Adrian

    Cormac@33 and Roz@41 – remember this is Qaos, not Paul!

  47. Perfidious Albion

    Absolutely battered, but really enjoyed the clues when I glumly revealed the ones that beat me.

    Thanks for the blog which was exceptionally helpful today! And thanks Qaos.

  48. Valentine

    Thanks for the fun, Qaos and manehi.

  49. ludosmoll

    Thanks to Qaos and Manehi. I still don’t get how 14A is parsed though. I didn’t spot the theme, I never do, probably cos I forget about them. So many to like but RESIDUE and CANTILEVER were my faves. Have a good afternoon.

  50. grantinfreo

    Subtract 950 from the initial letter of march: M – 950 = L, giving larch. No algebraic improvement needed.

  51. Eileen

    Did anyone (particularly non-UK commenters) follow the link I gave @27? (It’s rather faint and I don’t always spot them myself.)

  52. Roz

    Ludosmoll @47 start at the C of Chippendale and go backwards through the letters of the clue. It is very well hidden.

  53. Sadoldsweat

    Roz@41 or indeed GIRDLES

  54. Roz

    Nice try , would not quite fit because the E has moved so no BOXERS .

  55. Michael McD

    Stacks of checks but did manage to finish. I worked out beam from broadcast but it was the only one I was unable to parse.

  56. FrankieG

    [My opinion on 13a: TRUSS doesn’t deserve to have a good &lit clue written about her.]

  57. FrankieG

    nho 18d EMBAYING but it does contain this, known locally as the Bay Bridge – ‘often cited as one of the scariest bridges in the United States.’

  58. Dave Ellison

    grantinfreo@48 “No algebraic improvement needed”

    I would say it was arithmetic not algebraic, and an improvement is needed in the form such as Roz@41 gave.

    Had TRUSS and CABLE early on so thought the theme maybe was political leaders, until a few more answers revealed the correct one.

    Enjoyed this again, so thanks Qaos and manehi

  59. Linda

    Took a while to cotton on to ‘Mae’ West and had to check I wasn’t inventing a new word with ‘embaying’ !

  60. FrankieG

    Eileen@49 – I did. 😉 – Here it is again, emboldened: 😀 —>‘That’s not funny!’<— 😀 – Oh yes it is!

  61. Monkey

    I didn’t know GLISSADE as a dance movement. To me, it is a mountaineering technique for the easy descent of snow slopes; it usually starts as a standing glissade (skiing without skis) and frequently turns rapidly into a sitting glissade (or “bumslide”).

    An obvious theme which I saw early but it didn’t help me noticeably.

  62. Eileen

    FrankieG @58 – Thank you 🙂

    I thought it was particularly funny because Qaos must have written the puzzle before this incident.

  63. Mandarin

    A fine puzzle, with some very nicely clued charades (e.g. SUSPENSION, EMERGING MARKETS, and the excellent TESTIFIER). Agree with others that CONSIDERS is a top class example of the type. Most enjoyable.

  64. Tony Santucci

    Thanks Qaos for a fun puzzle with a theme I saw about halfway through my solve. My top picks were EXPLORERS, TESTIFIER, ASTRONOMER, BRIDGE, and GLISSADE. I couldn’t fully parse CONSIDERS (nicely hidden but the surface is weird), LARCH, and BEAM. In TYPE I think ‘showing’ is an odd hidden indicator. Thanks manehi for the blog.
    [FrankieG @55: Really? I routinely drive across the Bay Bridge and I’ve even run a 10K that crossed it and I see nothing scary about it.]

  65. Ricardo

    It’s taken me all day but I’ve just finished. LOI was 22 down but I now need to check the parsing of five or six clues. Nice puzzle – good thing I’ve nothing better to be doing!

  66. Pops

    Thanks for the link Eileen@49. I imagined her reacting that way but didn’t know it had actually happened!
    I enjoyed this crossword a lot, particularly LARCH which took me way too long to figure out. BEAM took me ages too. All in all, it seemed like just the right mix of easier and more challenging clues.
    Thanks to Qaos and to manehi

  67. cellomaniac

    Crispy@43, the clue @10a LARCH does not require ML to be the Latin numeral for 950, and manehi’s blog makes that clear. Alec@7’s comment was based on the erroneous assumption that Qaos was using ML as the Latin for 950, and you agreed with Alec. That suggests that you didn’t understand what was said in the blog, which is why you found the clue irritating. If you did understand that Qaos was not using ML as the Latin for 950, then I don’t understand why you found the clue irritating.

    Thanks Qaos for the fun puzzle, and manehi for the excellent blog.

  68. FrankieG

    Tony Santucci@62, I can’t help what Wikipedia@55 says. Here‘s one of the 3 links with which it backs up its claim. It contains the word gephyrophobia, fear of bridges.

  69. Crispy

    Cellomaniac@65. I found it irritating because I don’t like the construction – I think it’s too smart-arsy. You make it sound like I have to agree with what everyone else thinks. Sorry, but on this one I don’t.

  70. gliddofglood

    Thanks for explaining LARCH. Very clever. The only thing I take issue with in the comment is that a larch is a type of pine. It isn’t. It’s a larch. A fir isn’t a pine either. People think of Christmas trees as pines. They are firs for the most part. They are all different and look different, although you could confuse firs and larches until winter, when you’d quickly spot the difference. Larches are deciduous, firs aren’t – and neither are pines.

  71. Michael McD

    Agreed gliddofglood, you make a fir point.

  72. David S

    Monkey @59
    I never forget Alan Blackshaw’s words about glissades in his classic, mountaineering. “There are three kinds of glissade; standing, sitting and involuntary. They usually follow each other in that order!”

  73. Cellomaniac

    Crispy@67, my comment@65 was based on your objection to ML = 950, which was the only complaint you made. If you had also said that you found the construction too smart-arsy for your taste – an opinion not based on a misconception of the clue – I would not have made my comment. Sorry about that.

  74. Crispy

    Cellomaniac@71. I’m sorry for not making the cause of my irritation clear. Qaos regularly does this to me. Causes me irritation, that is.

  75. muffin

    Cellomaniac @71 and previously
    I think you have misread the detail, if not the sense. The (incorrect) Roman numeral for 950 would be LM rather than ML; the latter would be 1050.
    (The rule is that the subtractive number must be at least a tenth of the the number it’s subtracted from. Of course, that isn’t relevant in this case.)

  76. Jay in Pittsburgh

    Very enjoyable solve. Took me just the right amount of time – not too easy and not impossibly difficult. I loved TRUSS and EMERGING MARKETS.
    Never having never heard of ‘choux,’ I did not get the parsing of SHOE until I read the blog.
    Thanks to manehi and Qaos

  77. PeterM

    The way I’d like to parse 10a is: demo=MARCH minus M(1000) giving the thematic ARCH, then add L(1000-950) to get LARCH – which, as gliddofglood@68 points out, is certainly not a type of pine.

  78. Steffen

    TRUSS (lucky guess) and SHOE were my successes.

    I found this much more difficult than yesterday.

  79. Laccaria

    Well, I gave up on 22d: I suppose BEAM = broadcast (and I was also thinking of the ‘beam me up Scotty’ sort of BEAM) – and also BEAM fits the theme – but I couldn’t place MAE: I tried other ‘West’s to no avail (now I come to think of it, in WW2 days a lifejacket was known as a ‘Mae West’ – apparently because someone wearing one looked as if they had Ms West’s – errm – ample ‘attributes’).

    I suppose CANTILEVER has to get top marks – I took ages to figure it out even with all the crossers. Very – er – CLEVER! Oh and ASTRONOMER – seeing as I was one, only amateur. I don’t think there are any known ‘double quasars’ – but maybe one will be discovered even as I write this…

    Likes for a lof of them: I’ll pick out TRUSS for the laugh, BRIDGE (obviously the theme, and something I used to play); BOXERS; SHOE; WEIGHTIEST (liked the numerology); BEATS ME (this one didn’t).

    Oh and gliddofglood@68: I agree: a LARCH isn’t a type of pine. Conifer (or Gymnosperm to be all scientific), yes; pine: no.

    Thanks to Manehi and Qaos. Very entertaining.

  80. AlanD

    Reminded me of Nutmeg. NHO 18dn. Excellent puzzle.

  81. Caroline

    I think the theme is just bridges which are sometimes merged from different solutions.
    Box girder bridge
    Shoe bridge
    Weigh bridge
    Suspension bridge
    Beam bridge
    Tied Arch bridge
    Cable stayed bridge
    Cantilever bridge
    Truss bridge

  82. fredz

    FrankieG @ 68, I think the problem is that, to many of us, the Bay Bridge means the Oakland Bay Bridge, which is not scary, rather than the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, for which I personally have to close my eyes when crossing

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