Independent 12,331 by Quince

Quince provides our Thursday brain-teaser this week.

This was a serious challenge. Some of the clues were write-ins, giving us a good start, but there were quite a few that we struggled with. Sometimes this was because of a crafty or perhaps rather vague definition (eg 25ac), and sometimes it was ingenious wordplay. We had real difficulty parsing two clues.

22ac baffled us until we remembered from years back that quince is Spanish for ’15’ – we wonder how long Quince has been wanting to use that in a crossword.

24d – which we entered from the definition and crossing letters but could not parse. It was only when we came to write up the blog, with the computer keyboard in front of us that we tumbled to the ingenious and original wordplay.

Thanks to Quince for the challenge – we really enjoyed it!

 picture of the completed grid

ACROSS
1. How you might get thing in a cryptic crossword? (7)
HINTING

A cryptic definition: A cryptic clue for ‘thing’ might be parsed as H IN TING

5. One’s inspired by something comforting in a psalm to find organ (7)
THYROID

I (one) in (‘inspired by’) THY ROD (‘something comforting in a psalm’) – Bert vaguely remembered from his Sunday School days that there is a psalm with the words ‘Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me’ – an ‘investigoogle’ (thanks to rabbit Dave for the lovely word.) revealed that this is from psalm 23:4 in the Bible.

10. Country singer broadcast (4)
MALI

A homophone (‘broadcast’) of MARLEY (Bob Marley, ‘singer’)

11. “Dab of cream works on wrinkles” — articles in magazine (10)
CARTRIDGES

C (first letter or ‘dab’ of cream) ART (‘works’) RIDGES (wrinkles)

12. In aircraft, beginning to take Krypton to Superman (4,6)
HOME PLANET

HOME (in) PLANE (aircraft) T (first letter or ‘beginning’ of take)

13. Totally posh gaff on Eastenders (3)
ALL

hALL (‘posh gaff’) dropping the ‘h’, as it would supposedly be spoken by Eastenders in London

14. Big cat gets man calling ground control (5,3)
MAJOR TOM

MAJOR (big) TOM (cat) – a reference to David Bowie’s ‘Space Oddity’

16. Successor to Oscar Wilde staging primarily juicy stuff (6)
PAPAWS

PAPA (P in the phonetic alphabet, a ‘successor’ to O – Oscar) W S (first or ‘primary’ letters of Wilde staging)

18. Some mountain ranges around magical land (6)
NARNIA

Hidden (‘some’) and reversed (‘around’) in mountAIN RANges

20. Try piece of rigatoni as part of experiment (4,4)
TEST TUBE

TEST (try) TUBE (‘piece of rigatoni’ – pasta tube)

22. Quince moved from Madrid to Rome, swallowing European lies about bug (3)
VEX

A reversal (‘about’) of XV (‘fifteen’ in Roman numerals, or ‘quince’ in Spanish – ‘moved from Madrid to Rome’) round or ‘swallowing’ E (European)

23. Pulse from bachelor, say, began after heart bypass (10)
BUTTERBEAN

B (bachelor) UTTER (say) BEgAN missing the middle letter or ‘heart bypass’

25. Hotel offering party after trendy men ring back (6,4)
INDOOR POOL

DO (party) after IN (trendy) + OR (other ranks – ‘men’) + a reversal (‘back’) of LOOP (ring)

26. Sun set to the west – how disappointing (4)
RATS

A reversal (‘set to the west’) of STAR (sun)

27. Entrance to sacred ground in pieces (7)
SMASHED

S (first letter or ‘entrance’ to sacred) MASHED (ground)

28. Dealers arrested in order to get rid of ecstasy (7)
TRADERS

An anagram (‘in order’) of ARRESTeD missing (‘getting rid of’) ‘e’ (ecstasy)

DOWN
2. Head of ITV rejected a pitch: ‘Love Island Lover‘ (9)
INAMORATA

I (first letter or ‘head’ of ITV) + a reversal (‘rejected’) of A TAR (pitch) O (love) MAN (island)

3. Time Keir reformed accessible transport (5)
TRIKE

T (time) + an anagram (‘reformed’) of KEIR

4. Band ‘Kiss’ gets permit (7)
NECKLET

NECK (kiss) LET (permit)

6. Petrolhead short of fuel drove one finally for a spin (7)
HARDTOP

Cryptic definition: An anagram (‘for a spin’) of PeTROlHeAD missing or ‘short of’ ‘l’, ‘e’ and ‘e’ (last or ‘final’ letters of fuel drove one)

7. One laid down and procreated, wanting love for a change (3,6)
RED CARPET

An anagram (‘for a change’) of PRoCREATED missing (‘wanting’) ‘o’ (love)

8. Occasionally, mind recalls model (5)
IDEAL

Alternate or ‘occasional’ letters of mInD rEcAlLs

9. Change cast: Tarantino must (13)
TRANSMUTATION

An anagram (‘cast’) of TARANTINO MUST

15. Nasty old boy with no debts acquiring Twitter now (9)
OBNOXIOUS

OB (old boy) with NO IOUS (debts) round (‘acquiring’) X (‘Twitter now’)

17. Online influencer‘s woke, wanting content Mr Beast put out (9)
WEBMASTER

WokE missing the middle letters or ‘wanting content’ + an anagram (‘put out’) of MR BEAST

19. Bit of moussaka spilling in space to stay (7)
AUBERGE

AUBERGinE (‘bit of moussaka’) missing or ‘spilling’ ‘in’

21. One listing characters: Harry, Ron, or Hermione? (7)
SPELLER

Harry, Ron and Hermione are characters at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry in the Harry Potter books – where they learn to cast spells – fancifully becoming SPELLERS

22. Hate one about to feed five thousand (5)
VENOM

A reversal (‘about’) of ONE in or ‘feeding’ V (five in Roman numerals) M (thousand in Roman numerals)

24. Fed up with views shifting to the right on computer (5)
BORED

This took some sorting! On a standard computer keyboard the keys for B, O, R, E and D are to the right of the keys for ‘v’, ‘i’, ‘e’,’w’ and ‘s’

17 comments on “Independent 12,331 by Quince”

  1. Hovis

    Got stuck in the NE. Used a word fit to get CARTRIDGE but still failed to get THYROID & HARDTOP. I thought of the latter but couldn’t parse it.
    Loved VEX & BORED once I’d figured them out. It’s funny that I needed to look at a keyboard to confirm my suspicion even though I don’t need to look to type them out.

  2. Petert

    I needed a few word searches to finish this. Some great clues including MAJOR TOM, PAWPAWS and THYROID.I was always confused by the 23rd Psalm as a boy. Why did he not want the Lord as his shepherd?

  3. James

    Some spectacular clues here. There was a similar trick as for VEX from Quince to do with crossing the Pyrenees, but even remembering that the clue took some figuring out.
    RATS was funny.

  4. Sourdough

    Fun crossword, though I was beaten by HARDTOP.
    Thanks to Quince and B&J.
    Petert@2 I never had any trouble with the 23rd psalm, but I did wonder about the cross-eyed bear named Willingly.
    I’ll get me coat…

  5. Ivan

    Peter T #2. That’s the problem with reading old versions of the Bible. “Not want” means “not to be in want.” Some versions today read “lack nothing” or words to that effect

  6. E.N.Boll&

    More of a wince than a Quince, for me, I struggled with quite a few, and guessed at 2 or 3.
    “The Spanish for 15” is pushing it, in my opinion.
    Is HARDTOP adequately defined in 6 down?
    Why is a TRIKE, “accessible”? (3d).
    Does “ON Eastenders” really hack it as a Cockney device, and isn’t it actually “EastEnders” ? (13ac)
    Even “wrinkles = ridges” jars with me, 11(ac): they’re the furrows/creases between ridges, though I’ll have £50 with Ladbrokes that Chambers says ridges! Describing cartridges as “articles” is a bit limp.
    Some nice touches, HOME PLANET for one, but just not up my Coronation Street.
    Nice blog, BJ

  7. TFO

    Thanks both. Plenty to admire, for me including CARTRIDGES, and the more-straightforward-than-it-looked MAJOR TOM, though the parsing of VEX was asking too much, and I’ve no real idea still about HARDTOP and petrolhead, but once ‘short of fuel’ didn’t mean removing ‘petrol’ my patience was also disappearing to zero.

  8. DP

    Tough but fun. I sort-of got what was happening with VEX but was looking for ‘lies’ to be more than a connecting word. I was utterly defeated by BORED though it was obviously the correct answer. THYROID I thought was delightful. Like Petert#2 I was reminded of incomprehensible hymns at school. A green field without a city wall??
    Thanks to Quince and B&J

  9. Staticman1

    I found this on the tough side. THYROID went in unparsed (my Sunday school education has long lapsed) as well as HARDTOP. Also an erroneous WEBSTREAM slowed me down. It sounded like something those TikTok influencers would do.

    Liked CARTRIDGES, MAJOR TOM and PAPAWS

    Thanks B&J and Quince

  10. Tony Santucci

    Thanks Quince for a stiff challenge. I managed to arrive at all of the correct solutions but a fair number were guesses from the definitions and crossers. I could not fully parse THYROID, MALI, VEX, TRADERS, and HARDTOP. MAJOR TOM (COTD) made it all worthwhile, however, along with CARTRIDGES, HOME PLANET, PAPAWS, and INDOOR POOL. Thanks B&J for the blog.

  11. LobsterDarts

    Hmmm. I really struggled with this. Some great clues but the requirement to know obscure religious mumbo jumbo is up there with cricket-based clues for me. OBNOXIOUS was my favourite. Thanks BaJ for the explainers.

  12. Balladeer

    All I could do not to interpret “THY ROD” as “something comforting” in a decidedly crude way. Technically unfinished as I had “SMUSHED” for 27a, and wouldn’t in a month of Sundays have got it without “check all”. I still think it’s valid. Have to grit my teeth every time there’s a Harry Potter clue as well. Did like (and parse!) BORED and VEX. Thanks to Quince and Bert and Joyce.

  13. Coloradan

    Thanks Bertandjoyce for demystifying VEX, for me the star of the show. I have no problem with the wordplay in THYROID, based as it is on perhaps the single most well-known passage in the KJV, a source of quotes rivaling in richness the other free handout on Desert Island Discs. Bravo Quince.

  14. sofamore

    Similar experience to others with some friendly clues to get started, one or two I could solve but not parse (BORED – I think my keyboard is different) and then a roadblock in the NE. Biblical knowlege always a challenge for me as were CARTRIDGES (although now I see it’s a nice clue) and the intricate HARDTOP. C’est la vie. Kudos to Quince whose puzzles I always enjoy and thanks for the blog, B&J.

  15. jvector

    I entered HARDTOP but could not parse it (tried subtracting PETROL as the fuel), so thanks for that.
    THYROID and BUTTERBEAN (two words, in my kitchen) were last in and definitely type first, parse after. My school reflections of staff with rods not particularly comforting.
    I was sure BORED was playing that trick but couldn’t spot it!
    VEX was a great ‘aha’ moment, thanks to Spanish evening classes long ago.
    Many thanks to Quince for the workout and to B&J for the blog.

  16. Undrell

    Tricky stuff… not sure that, medically speaking, THYROID is an organ, more of a gland… had to wait for crossers and guesswork… VEX was never going to happen either, without lobbing in random vowels…
    Thanks Quince and Bertandjoyce

  17. PJ

    A very good puzzle. I was beaten by THYROID (which is definitely an organ, as opposed to a tissue) and am grateful to the blog to see how to parse BORED.

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