Guardian 28,794 / Picaroon

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1. Well done Eileen, totally missed the Ninas. This was a game of two halves with the top holding out longest. Obvious theme but lots of clever variations. Surprised to see Barker used twice but so what. The players are of a certain vintage but surely within the purview of most solvers (and no Ashe for a change). Favourites are BORG, MALINGERY, POINT OF NO RETURN, TEMPORAL and SHORTSTOP. AMERICANA appearing so soon as well. Tough for Monday but great fun. LLANOS was new but clued fairly.

   Ta Picaroon & Eileen

2. I parsed 17a exactly like you, Eileen.

3. I parsed ENDOW same way.

4. I parsed ICE TEA as I.E. (that is) + A including an anagram of ETC.

5. Hovis @4: that works best.

6. Many thanks, Hovis – amended now.

7. Maybe I’m missing something here, but ice tea isn’t an anagram of “ace etc” … ?

8. Apologies … I posted that before Hovis’s explanation came up …

9. A lovely puzzle, lots of fun. Many thanks to P & E.

10. A nice start to the week with an appropriate tennis theme. Nice to see Americana make another appearance so quickly but without a musical reference this time. (Shame). Thanks to Picaroon and Eileen for the excellent blog.

11. Not having had time to watch Tennis for years, I feared the worst when I saw the theme, but thankfully the player references were all of the right vintage for me. Thanks, Eileen, for drawing attention to the surface of 1d. I saw the wordplay without twigging how apt the clue actually was. I had a vague memory of 5d, but needed the dictionary to confirm the last three letters. I enjoyed the tougher than usual Monday challenge. I liked MALINGERY more than EMPOISON.

12. A cleverly themed crossword with lots to enjoy. My top favourite was 13a

    Thanks very much to Picaroon and Lucky Eileen

13. Great fun. I don’t normally spot ninas till afterwards but this time I noticed the top and bottom “base” – which helped enormously when attempting the associated eight clues! (Especially 5D).
    Thanks to Picaroon for a fun solve, and thanks to Eileen for the blog – enjoy SW19!

14. Thanks Eileen and Picaroon. I spotted the tennis theme early, but as someone who never spots Ninas, it took me a while to work out what “the completed grid represents one” meant. Then I noticed BASE_I_E across the top and the penny dropped…

    Favourite for me was WOMBLES for the definition. Lovely.

15. Thanks Picaroon and Eileen
    It seems that Picaroon assumes that we all attempt the clues in numerical order, across, then down; “another” in 1d doesn’t make sense unless you have already come across MCENROE.

16. muffin@15:I had exactly the same reaction.

17. I’m another who regularly misses Ninas but, today, I ended up with the entire bottom BASELINE after my first pass through, plus NET. As I only had two letters in the top line, it was, for once, really helpful. Very clever – but the puzzle would have been worth doing for BORG alone. As Eileen says, what a splendidly apt surface. One can never have enough Sue Barker so I didn’t mind seeing her twice, especially as she was wordplay in one and definition (delightful one at that) in the other. It was nice to get FOSSAE from the wordplay as it’s a nho. I think I’ve always known of the refreshment as ICED TEA but it didn’t hold me up for long and I see Lipton market an ICE version.

    muffin @15: given that I do the clues in numerical order, 1d was my first and one I passed straight over with the intent of returning later. By the time I did, I had B from BASELINE followed by O-G so it wasn’t difficult!

    Thanks Picaroon and Eileen

18. …or COURT, of course.
    1d was the first one I looked at – I always try to solve ones that give first letters first.

19. WOMBLES and BORG were the top seeds for me. muffin@15 It’s not unusual for a clue to reference another “later” in the puzzle. If you try 1 down first, it’s a hint that there’s a theme.

20. Its not cricket!But a nice timely reminder to grab some strawberries and a drop of Charlie Heidsieck
    after making sure the TV reception is happening
    Thanks Pickers for the Court Design

21. Tennis is absolutely not my thing, but I did like Borg and McEnroe poised either side of the NET with a GREEN background (though I missed the baselines). Didn’t get LLANOS, had to use Google to find NERUDA. Wasted time trying to force WHELP to be PUPPY (which couldn’t have happened if I had correctly done all the acrosses first and had the crossers). Favourite WOMBLES for the definition, though it took a while to parse them.

22. [Given the topicality, I hope it’s appropriate to repeat, for a wider audience, a splendid clue suggested by Alliacol on the Indy blog back in January:

    How you might discover Ming bowl searching through Wimbledon’s rubbish (8,4) ]

23. Lovely construction and theme – the Ninas were a help as well. I found this to be only slighter tougher than a standard Monday, but a lot more fun.

    NERUDA was my favourite.

    My only quibble is that all the tennis references were to the 60s, 70s and 80s (just). There’s been some tennis played since then!

    Thanks Picaroon and Eileen

24. Never saw a single ep, so just how the Wombles of WC got osmosed into my brain I have no idea, but they did. Llanos, otoh, I needed help with. And malingery looked like one of the Rev’s concoctions (like Wot, can you really say that?). And yes folks, it’s strawberry and cream time again, so the players were apt. Someone on the G-thread thought ‘robotic’ in the the Borg clue was disrespectful of him; I guess they missed the cy bit at the front. The topical linesman for Neruda was cute, like noted composers. Great Monday offering, ta PnE.

25. A bit of a different Monday and more challenging than usual.
    The theme was hard to miss and the Ninas certainly helped in adding some letters to clues I hadn’t got yet.
    The 2 “linesman”‘s had me looking for tennis players (cryptically) for a while until I realised they were poets.
    The End in ENDOW I just took as winning a point or winning an end in a game. Looking at C2014 there is for end “the last point or potion…” and under point there are plenty of ‘ends’ used including a sharp end; a tip, or free end; a thing, part, or mark with a sharp end…. the sharp end of a sword.. etc so you pays your money and takes your choice. Whatever… point=end. 🙂
    The less common words such as EMPOISON (except someone is going to complain surely that poisoning is not the same as envenomation) and MALINGERY didn’t cause much of a problem as they sounded right. Maybe doing Azed helped me here.
    Favourites were POINT OF NO RETURN for a very pleasant cryptic definition and the semi &lit BORG.

26. Thank you Eileen. I hope you’ve got a lay day from crosswords at Wimbledon time.

    I liked the different kinds of players and linesmen. POINT OF NO RETURN favourite. Also the tennis reference in the surface of OFFAL. Wrong call etc.

    As well as the ninas and net in the middle, I also wondered about the positioning of BORG at the baseline and MCENROE at the net. While they were both good at most things, those were their strengths.
    And we have COURT and AMERICANA opposing. Another famous Wimbledon final between Margaret Court and Billie Jean King in 1970 . What a mixed doubles that would be!

27. Hard work with several NHOs for me (EYOT, LLANOS, FOSSAE), but they were all well-clued. Getting NET early on helped me, and I worked out the BASELINES shortly after. The NE corner was the last to go in.

    Thanks both, and enjoy next week Eileen

28. Great fun after a horrid week with Covid. Feel much better now!
    Favs were 12, 22/21 and 30 across, 8, 14 and 16 down.
    I failed to get 25a! I blame Covid.
    Many thanks Picaroon and Eileen, and here’s to a fabulous fortnight of tennis, after the wonderful NZ test match series we’ve just enjoyed.

29. Missed the baselines and spent too long trying to justify (Steffie) GRAF at 26 down. Thanks for a great topical puzzle, Picaroon, and the comprehensive blog, Eileen.

30. Great crossword with an enjoyable theme and (for once) helpful ninas thanks to 12. I took end and point as both meaning object.
    Thanks Eileen and Picaroon.

31. Tough but enjoyable.

    Liked WHELP, BORG, GOING DOWN, EYOT, NERUDA.

    New for me: MALINGERY; LLANOS; the WOMBLES of Wimbledon (I enjoyed listening to the Wombling Song on youtube).

    Thanks, both and enjoy next week at Wimbledon, Eileen!

32. Good spot, paddymelon @26.

33. I liked this much more than the usual Monday offerings. I’m not usually a Nina spotter, but Picaroon’s broad hint at 12ac led me there, which helped with a few entries.

    Favourites were WHELP and the linesmen, though I smiled at EMPOISON and MALINGERY and there are a lot of enjoyably clever thematic references in clues and solutions throughout.

    As someone who spends a lot of time in Rome, where ‘il quinto quarto’ (the ‘fifth quarter’ of an animal) is much appreciated, I always bridle at OFFAL = rubbish, but I concede that the dictionaries offer it up like this 🙂

    I agree with Ark Lark @23 that the player references could have been a wee bit more recent, but Djokovic and Swiatek are a bit more challenging to accommodate.

    Thanks to Eileen and the Pirate.

34. After a solid crossword in Saturday’s FT and a gem in Saturday’s Indy I don’t know how Picaroon can be so prolific and maintain such high quality. COURT was a huge hint to look for a nina and getting the baselines offered some assistance. I failed with MALINGERY and WOMBLES but all else eventually came into focus. EYOT took awhile because I wanted English to be the definition with spin as the answer but obviously that wouldn’t work. My top choices were POINT OF NO RETURN, SHORTSTOP, NERUDA, and POSE. Many thanks to both.

35. Legend has it that Sean Connery’s agent once asked him if he could make a meeting at tennish to which the great man replied “Tennish, I don’t even have a racquet!”

    Lovely stuff – many thanks P&E

36. Trust Picaroon to serve up a smashing puzzle – making good use of the things that he finds.

    I loved the ‘cracking lob shot’, the ‘underground’ in 7d (not too far from the Common are we), and BORG is super cool.

    postmark@22 – love it!
    paddymelon@26 – that’s so clever!

    Thank you Picaroon and Eileen.

37. Re the inclusion of more recent players – having realised that there was a tennis theme, I tried to fit OR (“men”) into GEN to make Goren (Ivanisevic) – and then realised that he was GorAn and the word was GREEN.

38. ginf @24 – yep, I thought ‘robotic’ was rather unfair on Borg. (I know it’s in the wordplay, but several have suggested that the clue is &littish.) I’d rather go with wynsum’s ‘super cool’. ‘Grace under pressure’ is another description that comes to mind, as well as incredible athleticism.

    Lots of sportspeople have inflexible routines, if they’ve got into their head that that’s what helps them win. Think Nadal and his on-court rituals – perhaps it’s a reflection of national stereotypes that his routines are interpreted as superstition, while Borg’s meant that he was too cold and calculating to be truly human.

    Surely what lay behind Borg’s intense focus, and his routines, was the fact that winning meant so much to him. By his own account, that was what changed in 1981 when he lost to McEnroe, and led to him leaving the game. “And when I lost what shocked me was I wasn’t even upset. That was not me: losing a Wimbledon final and not upset. I hate to lose.” I don’t think robots mind too much if they lose.

    (The link is to an Observer article in 2007 – it’s an interesting read.)

    Great puzzle though; thanks P & E.

39. Super puzzle with baselines that helped.

    Yes, it’s got the ‘golden oldies’ but I didn’t mind that; BJORN/MCENROE were so famous that they got themselves a film. Gervase @33; I won’t bother trying to quickly write crappy clues, but DJOKOVIC of course would split into DJ/OK/O/VIC and SWIATEK would be SW (for Wimbledon) + KATIE* [Katie Boulter], so I’m sure one could write decent clues for them.

    I particularly liked POINT OF NO RETURN with the play on ace, MCENROE for the surface, LLANOS for the plain kid, and WHELP for the youthful Barker.

    Thanks Picaroon for fun on Monday and Eileen for an ace blog.

40. [Robi @39: It’s not that the two favourites are unclueable, it’s that they contain rather a lot of unfriendly letters to be able to fit into a grid with as many tennis references as Picaroon achieved so splendidly! 🙂 ]

41. […and as for finding a concise clue for Botic van de Zandschulp…]

42. Couldn’t fail to spot the theme, as have just been shushed away by my elderly Mum who was settling down to watch the tennis on the BBC. She who was alive when Kitty Godfree won the ladies title in 1926. Although tennis is a sport I do not watch, I enjoyed this greatly, and with Mr Youcannotbeserious in at 25ac then his Swedish nemesis couldn’t be far away in the grid. Thought EMPOISON particularly elegant, and the last two to yield were the slightly clumsy MALINGERY, followed by that strange version of “island”.
    I wonder how such an eminent setter as Picaroon resets to produce something a little less taxing for our delectation on a Monday….?

43. Got FOSSAE from knowing that the River Foss that runs through York was once a Roman ditch when York was Eboracum. The view from my economy hotel room when last up there for the Ebor Festival race meeting…

44. A fabulous puzzle, thanks Picaroon, and thanks Eileen for blog. Re 17a I parsed the same way except I think W = won as in Korean currency, rather than football. Although personally I think it’d be fair, we never see L or D clued as lost /drawn presumably as they’re not explicitly supported by e.g. Chambers (wheras the abbreviated Korean won is)

45. Shouldn’t LLANOS have a foreign language indicator? Has it become a completely English word already?

    PostMark@22 Have mercy! What is the answer?

    Enjoyable, tough for a Monday (especially the top). Thanks, Picaroon and Eileen, and happy Wimbledon to you and your grandson next week!

46. [Gervase @41: it’s not a serious attempt but it’s only got 8 words!

    Dutch smasher upset scandalized bunch with TV op? 😉 ]

47. [Sorry Valentine @45. We posted simultaneously. It’s a reverse clue giving WOMBLING FREE (which may mean nothing to you so here’s a link to the song. You only have to listen to the first couple of lines!) ]

48. Whence the term “ninas ” please?

49. KateE @48
    Check out the FAQs here

50. CranberryBoat @44 – many thanks for that. I didn’t know that currency and I’m sure I’ve seen W parsed with the football reference a number of times but your parsing seems more likely.

    Thanks, Valentine @ 45. Apologies if you’d already suffered the song from the link I gave in the blog. 😉

    KateE @48 – please see FAQs at the top pf the page.

51. Thanks Eileen, I wasn’t sure how WON got reversed in ENDOW and where the D came from so your explanation makes perfect sense. Hope you have a fantastic time at the tournament. Odd to see Americana again so soon! I thought this was superb, both in terms of individual clues (helpful enough on the more obscure items, plenty of wit and all those tennis references whether misleading or not) and the gridfill, thanks Picaroon.

52. PostMark@47 and Eileen@50 — I’ve actually already met the Wombles in some previous puzzle, and even knew the words to the first line or two of the song, but hadn’t heard it. (I still haven’t — I’m waiting for the news program to be over.) It just hadn’t occurred to me that PM’s clue was to something in today’s puzzle other than tennis.

    Thanks to both of you.

53. Unusually for me I actually saw part of the Nina, and made use of it in getting LLANOS and NERUDA, both of which were new to me.
    I was troubled by 17a, but on reflection I don’t understand why we don’t accept W = won (along with p = played, d = drawn, l = lost) given the amount of stuff we do accept simply “because it’s in Chambers”.
    Difficult for a Monday, I think, but unavoidable if the Graun was to mark the start of what Giles once memorably summed up as “two whole weeks of bonk-bonk-thirteigh-forteigh”.
    Thanks, both.

54. I really enjoyed that. Not knowing much about contemporary tennis, I was glad that the two players in answers were the first two I could name 🙂

    For the first time I spotted the potential ninas before the end and that helped me with the last few clues.

    I loved the clue for WOMBLES. New to me but guessable from wordplay: LLANOS. I also got MALINGERY from wordplay but can’t say I’ve ever come across that form of the word.

    A lovely puzzle so thanks both.

55. A great puzzle, and enjoyed spotting the NINAs when the pennydrop, which proved very helpful in a few cases. A brilliant use of the theme, even if its one of the last sports I’d ever want to watch (fun to play, though). To paraphrase Des Lynam (on the subject of showjumping) “If it was going on in my garden, I’d draw the curtains”. Each to their own though. I’ve been avoiding the cricket today so I can watch the highlights later, and I know what most people think about that.

    Thanks all.

56. PostMark@46 very good!
    Robi@39 how about
    Tennis jock caught out in covid debacle (8)
    French champion takes WI to Slam (7)

57. [off topic but I mentioned it on Facebook and no-one much cared, so I thought I should try somewhere it might be appreciated… I got an honourable mention in the Guardian Crossword Blog clue-writing competition! Only the third time I’ve had a go as well.

    Does anyone else on here enter that?]

58. me@56 I now see ‘jock’ is doing double duty, better solutions welcome!

59. wynsum @58, nice one, just delete tennis; jock in covid debacle works as def.

60. Whelp is a young dog (13) and not, I think, a reference to Ms Barker.

61. I did this puzzle last night, and enjoyed it greatly. After 5 sets of you-know-what this morning I return to find there are 60 comments already. All I have to add is that the named players are no more anachronistic, for crosswords, than Poe.

62. Fabulous Picaroon and a great introduction from Eileen. Crosswords and tennis are right up there for me on the entertainment front so this was just perfect for the first day of Wimbledon.
    Shame Eileen, we are going in holiday next week, I would have loved to have invited you in for a cup of tea as we live right next (or behind to be precise) Southfields tube where you will no doubt be alighting !

63. [Hi gsolphotog – a very kind thought! I don’t think we shall be using the tube: my grandson and his girlfriend now have a flat in Wimbledon but I haven’t seen it yet, so don’t know exactly where. I’m really looking forward to not having to tear ourselves away before the end of play to catch the train home to Leicester, as we’ve needed to on the previous couple of occasions when we’ve been lucky enough to ‘win’ tickets.
    Have a good holiday!]

    Cancalais @60 – but the surface (with the capital B) refers to Sue Barker: that’s why it’s one of my favourite clues.

    Dr WhatsOn @61 – 🙂

64. [Rob T @57: I had seen the article but not realised Rob T was … well, Rob T. Many congratulations!

    On the subject of beginners’ (very well deserved) luck, our very own Blah entered the DIYCOW competition for the first time last week, came second, the winner didn’t turn up so he’s found himself setting and judging this week!]

65. Postmark @64 – thanks and ha! 🙂

66. Eileen @ 63, perhaps another time.
    If you have a Wimbledon connection hopefully you ll come again. It would be great to put a face to a fellow enthusiast and I do love your blogs .

67. Too hard for a Monday. Less than half done.

68. Alastair @67
    I agree that it was harder than usual for a Monday, but you have to make an allowance for the apposite theme, I think.

69. [PostMark @46: Bravo – great try. Pity about the surface! 🙂 ]

70. I agree with NeilH @53. Why look for an abbreviation for a currency many of us have difficulty recalling, when W=won, L=lost etc are on the sports pages all the time; and not just football either. Today’s Guardian pages 30&31 have tables for rugby league and cricket as well as football, all with W, D & L along the top row.

71. I’m pleased to see that the W/on, D/rawn, L/ost argument appears to be gaining traction.

    It’s a point I’ve been making for a good three or four years.

72. sheffield hatter @70 and thus Neil @53 – I’m very reluctantly deserting Andy Murray here, to catch up.
    I think I said that I’ve always accepted W = Won, as in football, knowing no other, but the new suggestion sounded feasible,
    Back to the tennis !

73. Second week in a row my wife and I have managed to complete a crossword on the day – except llanos, which I should have got as I speak Spanish. Tough for a Monday for us though (eyot, malingery, empoison, fossae, arras, tennis}

74. OK, at this late hour (in UK), not many people will see this, but I’d like to leave the story of this puzzle as I solved it
    …

75. On first glance through the puzzle, it’s obviously sports-related (and probably cricket), but let’s give it a go!

    14d: seeding implies lawn, maybe, but LAWN BOWLING won’t fit. Who knew?! There’ a sport called Lawnmower Racing, so in goes LAWN MOWING! Then 30a shows that to be wrong, and suddenly the light dawns! (quickly, most of the SW is done, with 22a a holdout)

    12a: Looking at the black squares in the center of the grid, I wonder if there could be a tennis player named CHAIR? but a web search quickly takes me to Margaret (and the NE is falling into place.
    Is MALINGERY a word? Not in OL chambers, but in Collins (ditto for EMPOISON later).

76. {Looks like we’re playing doubles, but we have to get the NW and the SE into play.}

    13a: Am I getting prescient? But no, DOUBLES doesn’t want to parse. After a web search, (and reading about strawberries and cream and courtseying to the queen) I uncover 2 meanings for WOMBLES. The protest movement doesn’t seem to have any connections to the them, but the cartoon-y sort live in Wimbledon Common. 🙂
    And the NW falls into place.

    Finally get 20a, then 22a/21d. The SE is mostly done, 2 to go!
    27a: What are some sports clothes? … (head slap — why didn’t I see that sooner?)
    28a: A real head-scratcher. In desparation, I look at a list of British sportscasters, then think National could refer to any nation and the only one that seems to fit is, it turns out, the right one. I couldn’t parse it, though (thanks, Eileen — I think of a fixture as the match and the tie as a result)
    Whew!!!

77. PS, My personal favorite was 7d, NERUDA.

    Thank you, Picaroon.
    In spite of not knowing much about tennis or Wimbledon when I started, I know a tiny bit more now.

78. Found this quite hard despite the theme. Spotted the BASELINES too late to get much help but did spot the meaning of guy this time – still a definition I’ve only seen in crosswords.
    Re ENDOW, END doesn’t have to be physical.

    Thanks both

79. I don’t normally do Monday’s puzzles but belatedly saw Pasquale and did the Quiptic because he’s always good. Then saw Picaroon, who is now one of my favourites, having previously been on the “avoid list”!

    This was of middling difficulty and enjoyable. For once, I saw the theme and got the ninas early enough to help.

    Thanks Eileen for pointing out the net and the fact the two players I grew up watching are on either side. I don’t remember Borg being robotic but Ice-Borg rings a bell because he was cool under pressure.

    Lots of favourites, already mentioned.

    If you’ve not seen Picaroon’s Saturday offering in the Indie, that’s excellent too.

    Thanks Eileen and Picaroon.

80. Did this after rain stopped play in the Norrie match so very late (for me) but was tipped off by a comment in the FTs blog and thus primed for the theme…which I enjoyed, the layout especially.
    Everything has already been said but I noted (and appreciated) the more positive slant here. Enjoy the business end of the tournament, Eileen.

81. Oh dear, wall to wall tennis for a fortnight. No escape. :-/

82. Many thanks to Picaroon and Eileen (btw, well done Leicester Tigers from [sighs] Bath.

    Don’t want to be too nominative-deterministically ‘Ello ‘ello ‘ello, but:-

    2d: Aren’t swearing and affirming alternatives in, say, court precisely because of their fundamental differences? My Chambers (11th edn., 2008) doesn’t mention “swear” anywhere among the meanings of “affirm”.Though A and B may have a common referent in C (here: declare solemnly), that doesn’t mean A=B. It’s OK to move between class and member in a surface (eg “bus” for “vehicle” and v.v.), but using one member for another (eg “bus” for “car”) – isn’t that a bit latitudinarian, and hard on us solvers?

    13d: In surfaces (as opposed to wordplay), isn’t it a bit off, possibly unconscionable, to include a capitalisation (“Barker”) not required by grammar (eg, as first word), if the definition itself (“barker”) would not normally be capitalised – especially as the unexceptionable “Barker when youthful”, say, could have laid down the same false scent?

    Sorry for all the harrumphing. Medication must be overdue. Lovely puzzle, thanks again.

83. Constable Melton@82:
    i) forget the law courts, think of some urchin affirming that he was not responsible for the football going through the kitchen window: “I swear it wornt me honest”
    ii) I can never remember which way round the unnecessary capitalisation is allowed so always distrust it, but agree that your alternative removes any doubt although the surface suffers a little and I think the Guardian allows some leeway in setting for that reason.
    Calgal@75 etc: first serve straight into the net but the second led to a long rally full of fine shots from which you eventually emerged triumphant, nicely played!

84. Ah yes – thanks, Gazzh@83. Don’t know what set me cavilling when (as so often with Picaroon) I’d enjoyed the puzzle a lot. Probably self-medication probs. (cider delivery late).

85. I assumed Whelp was a reference to a young dog (Barker) not a reference to the lovely Sue.

86. Constable Melton @84. As is often said, there are no rules – it’s just what people find to be fair.

    I think I have heard it said (or read it somewhere), that you should not drop a person’s or city’s capital letter (does that make it a capital offence?) but some (clever) setters will use a person’s name at the start of the sentence so that the capital is ambiguous. Adding a capital to something that is not normally capitalised, as in this case, is generally thought to be fair enough. Hope I’ve got that right.

87. Calgal @74ff. I did enjoy your shot-by-shot description of your solve. (I’ve been on holiday and my phone died after mine @70, so only just read your posts.) I especially enjoyed the head-slap, as I in fact failed on that clue for exactly the reason you slapped your head. In fact I wrote in SPORTS TOP, having convinced myself that Picaroon was misleading us by putting the answer in the clue not just once but twice. What was I thinking? Obviously it’s SHORTS. (Face-palm.)

88. Nice job, Picky, and many thanks as well to Eileen–enjoy your holiday.

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